Guest DWA Posted November 17, 2014 Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) Totally relevant. Thermal vs thermal, resulting in a strikingly similar thermal signature of a cow, not to mention the pasture environment with other cattle grazing next to the subject in the said thermal. No similarity to anything else, especially BF. Like I said, you're entitled to your unsubstantiated opinion. Until somebody can prove its not a cow, it remains a cow. Um. In your world. But you do perfectly illustrate the problem. (Note that goalposts move from videos-provide-DNA to um, who, wha? Thermal vs. thermal. Wha?) (In the real world, no, nothing is presumed to be anything when there is no evidence whatever that it is that thing. If cows are in a video with me in it, am I a cow? Are they people?) If I had a video of a sasquatch braiding a horse's mane; destroying a house with infrasound; killing a pack of dogs and coming up to me, pulling a cig from behind his ear and asking me for a light, in Japanese, there's no way anyone would see it. Because they'd toss everything the world had spent their whole lives teaching them to say: no, it can't be. Edited November 17, 2014 by DWA
Guest thermalman Posted November 17, 2014 Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) DWA, maybe you should consider posting in the psychic sasquatch thread from now on. Your unsubstantiated ramblings don't really suit the viable evidence threads. I'll make it easy for you to find it http://bigfootforums.com/index.php/topic/32184-the-psychic-sasquatch/ Edited November 17, 2014 by thermalman
Guest DWA Posted November 17, 2014 Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) But shoot, heck, let's go on, and back to the OP. This is another of the ridiculous ways bigfoot skeptics try to do the only thing, really, that they are in the field to do, which is win an argument. What's the thread about? Using Game Cams As An Excuse For No Existance Remember? Just how, perzackly, does one do that? That I know of I do not exist on any game cam still or video, anywhere. Am I thus not real? Did I just utterly shoot down the excuse? Yes I did, utterly, and anyone who disagrees needs to go back and take Logic 001. But watch what will happen: somebody will come back and say no you didn't, because....and won't want to pony up the dough for Logic 001. The only game cam stuff you have seen, people, is what people have shown you. Capisch? Still with me? Let's see if I can say it another way: you have not seen every game cam shot ever taken, not even close. Let's see if I can say it another way: the universe of game cam shots is way way more than you have seen. Let's see if I can say it another way: if you have never ever seen something that has nothing to do with whether it exists or not. Let's see if I can say it another way and oh, look, I have: If I have the money shot, you ain't seeing it! You really think I am alone in that sentiment? Excuse killed, thread over, sorry if I messed with anyone's fun. Ta's. Edited November 17, 2014 by DWA
Guest thermalman Posted November 17, 2014 Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) That's exactly why I povided a link, in post 122 above, so you could stay on topic somewhere on the forums. DNA Hair sample sequencing http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/281/1789/20140161.full.pdf?sid=a51ea0d8-b4f5-4b7f-8c22-6caa0fdc4350 Edited November 17, 2014 by thermalman
Guest DWA Posted November 17, 2014 Posted November 17, 2014 Oh, sorry. Forgot to say it one more way: When no one knows enough about something to place game cams for it, the likelihood of getting one on a game cam is remote indeed. OK, there, see ya.
Guest thermalman Posted November 17, 2014 Posted November 17, 2014 Maybe you should purchase a game cam of your own and put it where you think you might garner the results you desire. Prove to the rest of us you that you know what you're doing and talking about, and possibly acquire some positive evidence of BFs existence to show the world. Or is that to much to ask?
WSA Posted November 17, 2014 Posted November 17, 2014 I'd just say it is probably too much to ask of anyone. That effort is only predicted to get you either nothing at all, or a big fat rasberry from our armchair skeptics on this forum. If it does produce something, and needs further investigation, this would be the worst place to exhibit it. The high-tech lynching of the proponents of the series of videos and photos here shows that to be inevitable. Everybody wants to show how clever they are in being the first to point out why a piece of evidene is fraudulent, and in doing that we steamroll over what is maybe the best photographic evidence we are likely to see. If the PGF can be a casualty of this kind of thinking, can we expect a different outcome for anything else? Not hardly. 1
Guest thermalman Posted November 17, 2014 Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) I was hoping DWA would apply his verbal "knowledge?" to some actual physical evidence gathering, in support of his plethora of opinions on how one should properly collect BF data and present it convincingly. He has over 7,000 posts of know how. Besides, game cams are not that expensive. Edited November 17, 2014 by thermalman
coffee2go Posted November 17, 2014 Posted November 17, 2014 I'd just say it is probably too much to ask of anyone. That effort is only predicted to get you either nothing at all, or a big fat rasberry from our armchair skeptics on this forum. If it does produce something, and needs further investigation, this would be the worst place to exhibit it. Agree. I also feel that if I were ever able to have a sighting or get my own photo that would be all the proof I would need to know it is real. I would not even try to defend or share my proof with a skeptic. What would be the point? 1
Guest thermalman Posted November 17, 2014 Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) I'd just say it is probably too much to ask of anyone. That effort is only predicted to get you either nothing at all, or a big fat rasberry from our armchair skeptics on this forum. Agreed. But it goes both ways. "That effort is only predicted to get you either nothing at all, or a big fat rasberry from our armchair proponents on this forum. As I found out, rather rudely I might add. Edited November 17, 2014 by thermalman
Guest DWA Posted November 17, 2014 Posted November 17, 2014 Agree. I also feel that if I were ever able to have a sighting or get my own photo that would be all the proof I would need to know it is real. I would not even try to defend or share my proof with a skeptic. What would be the point? One thing about this I have always thought was funny was the apparent thinking on the part of skeptics that proponents have this utter obligation - to them, the skeptics - to put anything they come up with on the board for dissection. No they don't; this is why the froth-at-mouth haranguing of people on habituator threads is such a stitch. The skeptics on those threads don't seem to have a clue that for many people who have their proof, what skeptics think is about as relevant, to them, as your not believing the sun is a star is to me. If you are not qualified to judge evidence, I'm not going to put it in front of you for judgment purposes. What, indeed, is the point? Here is just another place where bigfoot skeptics show their inability to use their real-world experience - should they, you know, have any - to make assessments. Just as it does not follow from my putting a shower in my basement that everyone in America can get a shower now, or just as it does not follow from this light turning red that everyone in America needs to stop, now, it does not follow from a smattering of people putting out cameras that a particular kind of animal will walk across the lens and get its picture taken - or that anyone getting such a pic will feel any obligation to share. You wouldn't; I wouldn't; we aren't alone; and right there you probably have enough people to account for every game cam sasquatch photo there is. Or not; and it doesn't matter.
salubrious Posted November 17, 2014 Moderator Posted November 17, 2014 So as not to derail this thread I have placed a post elsewhere: http://bigfootforums.com/index.php/topic/45664-olympic-project-brown-thermal-part-2/?p=874749 -and will not discuss it here. *************************** Regarding a game cam or the like, the issue has already been discussed that such are not stealthy devices and are easily detected by regular wildlife, let alone an 'intelligent' species that does not like to be seen.
Guest thermalman Posted November 17, 2014 Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) If you're declaring a thermal camera as " the likes" of a game cam, that is an incorrect assumption. They are two functionally different items. Edited November 17, 2014 by thermalman
WSA Posted November 17, 2014 Posted November 17, 2014 Thermalman, I have always agreed that even if you are a "knower", your opinions on another's evidence are just that. What always bemuses and baffles me is the mad scramble to be the first kid on the block to prove how clever he is, to come down on one side or the other...as if the world were waiting to hear from you. Such is the flattery of the internet to endlessly stroke the ego. Once, just once, I'd like to see a discussion along the lines of, "Hmm...none of us can say what this is, exactly, but let's talk about what else we might do to get a better answer." That part of it typically arrives stillborn with all the "expert" opinions, and the stampede to demonstrate a superior intelligence. We flatter ourselves endlessly here, and the result is predictable. The person who contributed only a "Hey, look at this..." piece of evidence vows never to make that mistake again. The truth recedes ever further. None of us here should have so much at stake that we can't take that simple approach. If we can't, something is seriously out of kilter with that person's world, I just believe.
Guest thermalman Posted November 17, 2014 Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) Agreed. Which is why I purposed an area for such findings to be analyzed indiscriminately, away from the eyes of the general forum. http://bigfootforums.com/index.php/topic/49445-what-content-would-you-like-to-see-on-the-bff/ Edited November 17, 2014 by thermalman
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