Bigfoot Chasing - Hostile Or Caring Acts?

[NCBFr]

That's a no-brainer.   Neither.   It's mostly bluff.  

 

If they were truly hostile, truly meant harm, given that they're faster than us and bigger than us, they would catch us, not merely chase us.   They would also not merely be investigating our camps when we're vulnerable, they'd be killing us.    What it means, then, is that we got closer than they want us to be to something they care about ... but not enough to kill over.  

 

Shows considerable forbearance I'd say.  

 

MIB

 

I agree.  It is the one where there are no reports the hostile acts.  

BTW, here is a recent relevant report for those not content with excerpts missing formal and accurate citation:

 

http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=47067

[Trogluddite]

Husband and wife hikers (while taking break and munching on granola bar): "Wait, look!  There's bigfoot!"

 

[bigfoot starts chasing hikers]

 

Husband: "Run!" [heads for the exit; wife calmly sits down and starts changing into running shoes]

 

Husband [with panicked edge to voice]: "RUN!  RUN!! Are you nuts, what are you doing?!" 

 

Wife [calmly]: "I only have to outrun you..." 

[Guest]

2005 April

Missouri

A lady walking up to a park with her girlfriend and their kids came to a clearing with playground found a four (4TTrack) toed, 14 inch foot tracks and advised the they should leave, as they made their way back to their vehicle the children were running ahead. At this moment the lady sees what she thought was old tree in the woods until it started to move toward one of the little girls …. GCBFR 

 

Note:  In this case a lady sees what she thought was an old tree "tree stump" suddenly moving toward a little girl running way out in front of the adults. Was the creature watching the kids?   

[frap10]

Good point. One of things that I sought to do with this thread is provoke thought on how we seem to hold two separate ideas of acceptability that leaves one for animals, the other for human kind. After working the streets for a while you see no blurring of the line, no confusion of mock charges or aggression and no mistaking what people judge as hostile and confrontational actions.  

 

If we disentangle the two entirely separate actions an animal charging and man charging and walk away as many witnesses have, we would have less crime on the streets ….

 

In my limited experience in civil society people do not wait for authorities as they may dealing with Bigfoot, to weigh-in and play the of peace maker therefore, the law enforcement we see today is largely reactive and proactive. Meaning they are called after the fact when people are dead or injured. If you or anyone else walked to a stranger and mocked charged them two things would: A. Fight or B. Jail

 

When I read reports of these large ominous bipedal animals charging people many times on private property I wonder why people do not also discount a strangers mock charge and leave rather than fight back or worse. In either event the action is hostile and confrontational.  

 

 

 

Very good points - I like reading your insights.

 

Personally I don't take animal or human charges lightly (I don't think most people take a stranger in your face lightly at all).  Human in your face invokes a fight response IMO.  An urgency to protect yourself (seen it many times) oh yeah later call the police...  Most animals don't really want a fight - it takes energy and they could get hurt too.  Human go away!

 

Animal charges - again I don't take it lightly.  with me (don't laugh) its cows.  They HATE me.  Maybe because I ate so many of them.  We had them on the family farm and things were cool.  Never did anything bad to them - took good care of them.  Broke the fence and almost ran me down.

My father-in-law had a huge bull that kept staring at me.  My wife said I was being a scardy cat (actually she used a different word but you get the picture) then he charged and we had to scatter.  I always keep very aware of where I could run to cover at any farm.  At another farm one by one they formed a group and kept staring at me everyone took notice of that (I opted to not fill them in and just let them wonder....).

[Guest]

Very good points - I like reading your insights.

 

Personally I don't take animal or human charges lightly (I don't think most people take a stranger in your face lightly at all).  Human in your face invokes a fight response IMO.  An urgency to protect yourself (seen it many times) oh yeah later call the police...  Most animals don't really want a fight - it takes energy and they could get hurt too.  Human go away!

 

Animal charges - again I don't take it lightly.  with me (don't laugh) its cows.  They HATE me.  Maybe because I ate so many of them.  We had them on the family farm and things were cool.  Never did anything bad to them - took good care of them.  Broke the fence and almost ran me down.

My father-in-law had a huge bull that kept staring at me.  My wife said I was being a scardy cat (actually she used a different word but you get the picture) then he charged and we had to scatter.  I always keep very aware of where I could run to cover at any farm.  At another farm one by one they formed a group and kept staring at me everyone took notice of that (I opted to not fill them in and just let them wonder....).

 

Sitting here listening to some old Joe Cocker tunes (RIP) and reading your post Frap 10. Thank you for the laughs …..  particularly the farm and cows. What I didn’t mention in the incident above was the old tree “tree stump†was a half mile away according to the lady reporting the incident. You would think if it didn’t want to bother or be bothered it would have easily turned and entered the woods instead it chose to head in the direction of a child and that is disconcerting to me.    

 

Window Peeping

I’ve given many examples of the bipedal animal peeping windows and so I thought it would be right to offer up a human window peeping example too.  I seen an idiot beaten to a pulp, it was a late hot muggy night and you might say the idiot was a stranger. He lived alone like a recluse with his elderly father drinking his pension and social away every night. This night he took a kitchen chair outside propped it up against his neighbor’s bedroom window screen while the couple were getting busy. Nobody knew how long he was there but when he burped, they paused and smelled alcohol and heard him fall off the chair outside and knew where it came from. The husband ran out and gave chase in all in his glory and when he caught up with him the two became engaged in some duo waltz out there on the front lawn.  

[frap10]

Yeah It seems funny now....  Not just running with the bulls - try it when they run against you...

A place to share and have some laughs too!

 

I don't doubt that guy got beat - I had something similar happen MANY years ago.  I took a good run but must have been some animal moving around as I didnt find anyone and nothing like that since.  The adrenaline was sure up!

 

Have a good holiday everyone!

[Guest]

Yeah It seems funny now....  Not just running with the bulls - try it when they run against you...

A place to share and have some laughs too!

 

I don't doubt that guy got beat - I had something similar happen MANY years ago.  I took a good run but must have been some animal moving around as I didnt find anyone and nothing like that since.  The adrenaline was sure up!

 

Have a good holiday everyone!

 

I think for me, it doesn’t matter if the action was a mock charge, or one that is intended catch its prey, it can be viewed as hostile and not friendly. I mean after all, I don’t think I would think too highly of a neighbor or a stranger mock charging me. If they're not showing me their pearly whites and convincing me its some sort of joke, I don't think I would be too pleased with them.  

[guyzonthropus]

But who knows? That might just make it all the funnier to them! If they have as highly developed a sense of humor as quite a few suggest, then at least some of these charges may indeed be in jest, whether the recipient sees it as such or not.....

"Wait..wait...wait...see those hairless dwarves over there? Watch what they do when i run up on 'em! Its a hoot!"

"Yeah...ok...and i'll start yelling from over here once they get moving, that'll really freak 'em out!"

Might be a favorite prank amongst some of them....

[Guest]

Sounds comedic Guy, but the question asked is whether you feel those specific actions can be construed as hostile or not.  Forget about the setting, if you encountered the same behavior from somebody you didn't know in your own locale, would you find the behavior bizarre? Is it hostile or just a friendly act of welcoming?  You know sort of like a getting to know you greeting .... Now back in the wilderness setting, consider something that large, ugly and unnaturally not right charging you. They (it) doesn't know you, you have no connection to it, is it possible this thing is thinking one thing and you're thinking another. Is it possible that our rationale about their intentions is totally wrong?  

Edited December 26, 2014 by Gumshoeye

[MIB]

I have to disagree.   As I indicated, I think you are offering false dichotomies which suggest a bias.   Allowing the enemy to choose the field of engagement is a sure way to lose. 

 

The only "chasing" I've experienced was being herded / escorted out of an area.  In one instance:  We weren't pushed into an ambush.  We weren't killed.  It was not "aggressive."  In another location, I had a similar thing happen a couple dozen times.  The behavior was defensive in nature, not aggression, not hostility, else I would be dead.   Likewise, it was not "caring".  

 

I question your motives as you repeat these false dichotomies in several threads.  You appear to be trying to stir up something by deliberately omitting the correct and reasonable interpretation from the list of options you present.   

 

You and I have swapped PMs discussing the possibility of individuals or agencies deliberately derailing discussion and stirring unrest to keep BFF from making progress towards understanding.   I wonder ... are you one of them?  If not, by the choices you present, you are doing their work for them.  Something to think about as you present your next question.

 

MIB

[Guest]

There has got to be reason why you don’t start thread isn’t that true? Its easier to critique and poke other people like piñata than creating a thread where others may have differing views isn't that right MIB? Start a thread and I’ll critique it, and then I can leave me own colorful commentary on it.  

Edited December 26, 2014 by Gumshoeye

[MIB]

There are two reasons I can think of to start a thread on a forum, either to ask a question or assert a position.  Either one invites feedback, it's a forum after all.   When I have a question clearly formulated that I think someone can answer, I'll ask it.   When I have a position to assert that I desire feedback on, I'll assert that.  When I do, you're welcome to comment, same as everyone else. 

 

'til then, on the assumption that people are asking or asserting because they desire feedback rather than just a pulpit to pontificate from, in which case they can go start a blog, I will respond as I feel like to whatever I feel like within the limits of forum rules.  If you have an issue with that, take it up with moderators.  

 

Carry on ...

 

MIB

[Guest]

I have noticed over 100 examples of people being chased by Bigfoot, and others have taken note of it too.  Whether it is mock charge or an out and out relay race it leaves people shaken and disturbed.

[guyzonthropus]

Ok, i must preface this post with the statement that i was not my intent to go all "Jiggy" with it

(no offense JP) but in that as a newbie my posts are indeed quite restricted, i am thusly compelled to cram in as much into each as stays coherent while addressing given points..

Firstly, yeah, i imagine i might very well become freaked out upon being charged by a, say....8-9 foot, 600+lb. ANYTHING, sure..especially on a foggy moonless night in the deep woods by meself while eating fresh venison and skunk cabbage wearing my new colobus fur vest&woodsmans cap singng "gonna get me dat ape", . all captured(minus the charge itself, of course) on a trailcam i thought i had disguised better....but were one to retain any semblance of rationality("may prove unlikely in the actual context...") it would become apparent that escape in such a situation would not be a probable outcome given the disparity of speed, strength, night vision, familiarity with that terrain, weatherproofing, and footsize(!) between yourself and the charger. So what do you do? Hide? Run, but just a little ways so as not to further irritate it("why dont they just hold still, so i can talk to 'em, give 'em the guidelines....") maybe climb a tree you hope they dont topple?

Sure, one wants to believe that they'd stand forth in calm serenity faceing the oncoming peril...and while ive never had an actual visual encounter i have experienced an occasion where i heard something big moving about within some fruit trees(pomegranit, perssimon, tangerine&orange) and casually tossed a quarter sized rock up into the trees(the undercarriage was blocked by a row of upright cacti) after which i heard a very low pitched growl of a depth and power i'd not known prior, and have only heard approximated since, as a zookeeper hearing big cats/bears up close. What and the question? Oh yeah, right! I do confess, at that point i moved to the closest egress to "safety" faster than i knew i could! So at this point, my track record (pardon the pun...) shows me to be a runner...and that was just a growl..though, i hadnt thought it anything other than big....

I, meself, interpreted the sound as "yeah, i m back here, quit throwing rocks at me, or do i have to come down there?" Mind you at the time, this was mixed with seeming undertones of potential "hostility"/predation, but that was how i perceived, not neccesarily how it was intended. But yeah, enough to still give me goosebumps 13 years later....but it could have been its casual"took you long enough!" acknowledgement growel and i would never know....

Having worked as a zookeeper, i clearly grasp the ability of most any large to really large creature/being to wreak havoc, cause extreme physical damage, and mess with yer head via their size and assumed intent. Being smaller, it only makes sense to panic/evade such hugeness, but through conscious awareness we humans may transcend mere response, and overcome unbased fears(maybe the second time.....)allowing one to experience what was previously impossible. Doesnt mean it wont eat ya, but at least you'plan be calmer a little longer....

Please dont misinterpret my attempts at humor as a diminishment of the topic, but rather as a path by which to broach or further illustrate potentials and concepts. That, and, on occasion, some things i read here evoke humorous imagery in me head, and i feel obligated to share such, for we all can use more happy, even for but a moment, and still continue with intent the inquiry and discussion we come here for.

So to quote the judge from the original divorce court, "just try to get along.." Each of us arrive with unique perspective and background, motivation and quest, tolerance and bias, and means of interactive presentation, yet, it is from this that our dialogue arises as more than mere diatribe, but as multi-faceted expansion of communal awareness and potential understanding of something for which there is no widespread knowledge nor agreement as to its essence.

Once again, sorry for the yarble.....

Edited December 28, 2014 by chelefoot

[Guest]

Im not sure the title of this thread uses the correct terminology; there's really no "caring" way to chase someone from the woods. It's all hostile, just a matter of degree and intent. Unless caring is to beat you unconscious, bandage you in leaves, and leave you where you'll be found. I would never assume a gorilla is just racing me to my car if it started chasing me through the jungle.

Protecting its territory or troop is a male primate's primary imperative; we do it, gorillas do it, chimps do it. I would suppose the scenario starts with pacing an intruder to see where they're going, then making aggressive sounds, then display aggressive behavior or Feats of Strength (not just for Festivus) like snapping branches or throwing rocks, then bluff charges with lots of ferocious noises, and finally ending with a physical confrontation. The chase probably occurs because the human was too close to the troop and too dense or absorbed in what they were doing to notice the lead up and warning signs. I would suggest even a bluff charge means the troop can't actively avoid the intruder (ie has young, pregnant females, or elderly members) or the intruder is somehow in between the Alpha male and the troop. Otherwise avoidance would be more likely than confrontation or even exposure as being in the area.

Edited December 29, 2014 by Enkidu