beerhunter Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 GS Said: I would have to agree Northfork, if you find something that doesn't seem right take a photo, grab some coordinates if possible, and notify your local authorities but I would not disturb it. - The crazy thing is in this video the guy said he contacted the local sheriff, He was told to collect the evidence and bring it in to the sheriff. That seems to go against every thing a civilian should do in this situation. Disturbing & disturbed possible crime scene for sure.
Guest ChasingRabbits Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 GS Said: I would have to agree Northfork, if you find something that doesn't seem right take a photo, grab some coordinates if possible, and notify your local authorities but I would not disturb it. - The crazy thing is in this video the guy said he contacted the local sheriff, He was told to collect the evidence and bring it in to the sheriff. That seems to go against every thing a civilian should do in this situation. Disturbing & disturbed possible crime scene for sure. okay, that broke my BS meter.
Guest Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 (edited) ^^^ Well guys, one thing I learned a long time ago especially when dealing with law enforcement is that there is protocol and there is protocol. Northfork is a good guy who himself is quite experienced, and has offered exceptional sound advice. Speaking from the benefit of having worked federal, state, county and local levels in some capacity as much as we like to think everybody sings the same tone there are those that are less procedural minded, and that’s okay too. Even retired, I know better and I wouldn’t disturb a potential crime scene period. If the local sheriff himself directs somebody to collect evidence for them I suppose I would feign (not lie of course) personal aversions to touching something like that. If the sheriff himself directs me than I would have him call my cellphone with his number locked in my phone history. I would say it’s spooky or anything you can think of, maybe offer to snap a photo time stamped and send it to them in case somebody else comes along after you destroy it, but consider this: Who knows who you are speaking to, the dog catcher, a dispatcher with no real time street experience, a civilian employee with no criminal investigation background or experience, or Aunt Bea down the street who just stopped in to drop a pie off. I mean when you call your local authorities a voice says sheriff department do you know for certain who answers the phone? If things go bad, do you think Aunt Bea, the dog catcher or a civilian would voluntarily step right up and say "Oh yeah, I told him to go over there and bring that stuff in?" You kidding me? We always ran into issues where we found dispatchers giving their advice in criminal or civil advice based on what they hear from the officers but with no professional knowledge or authority to do so. Many time unnecessary problems arose on the streets when citizens act then claim they were advised by somebody and when you trace it back, it leads right to the dispatchers. When that occurred, they were warned against it, if occurred again they wrote a paper and discipline progressed as the problem necessitated until it was corrected. I would probably want to get the name and badge number of the person giving advice and ask to speak to their supervisor or somebody in the detective bureau or something. – Just my thoughts Edited March 26, 2015 by Gumshoeye
Yuchi1 Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 I'm not convinced that the campsite destruction ever occurred, in fact, stating it more strongly, I think it's a hoax. There seems to be no connection between Bob (or Robert) Garrett and any murders or any torn up campsite and murders. If this happened it should have hit the local news and be available via web searches even if the physical evidence were covered up. Further, I saw the videos before they were taken down. They raise huge red flags. Way too "Blair Witch". This Bob Garrett, if that's who was in the videos, was not acting like any veteran researcher I've ever been in the woods with acted documenting evidence. It was posturing for the camera, that's all. MIB X2
Guest Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 Did somebody say the GPS coordinates were about eleven miles from the point where the man claimed his sighting?
Guest Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 What mountain range is near the Wes Germer encounter?
SWWASAS Posted March 27, 2015 BFF Patron Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) If the GPS coordinates are correct(nothing else in the narrative checks out) the nearest mountains to the Germer sighting is Jack Mt which is 1 mile NW. Gumboot Mountain which is 2 Miles N. Silver Star Mountain which is 5.5 miles S. and Bells Mountain which is 8 miles West. Personally I do not think any of those are visible from the road location coordinates. Next time I am in the area I will go look around and see if I can see any mountains. The problem being that the sides of the river canyon are quite steep and you do not get much of a view of the surrounding terrain in the valley. I have all but written off that area due to the steep sided canyon. Some of the canyon walls are near vertical on the North Side of the river. BF may not be lazy like humans but coming to water in that area requires some real climbing to get in and out of that canyon. Never seen a deer in that area. Edited March 27, 2015 by SWWASASQUATCHPROJECT
Guest ChasingRabbits Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) If the GPS coordinates are correct(nothing else in the narrative checks out) the nearest mountains to the Germer sighting is Jack Mt which is 1 mile NW. Gumboot Mountain which is 2 Miles N. Silver Star Mountain which is 5.5 miles S. and Bells Mountain which is 8 miles West. Personally I do not think any of those are visible from the road location coordinates. Next time I am in the area I will go look around and see if I can see any mountains. The problem being that the sides of the river canyon are quite steep and you do not get much of a view of the surrounding terrain in the valley. I have all but written off that area due to the steep sided canyon. Some of the canyon walls are near vertical on the North Side of the river. BF may not be lazy like humans but coming to water in that area requires some real climbing to get in and out of that canyon. Never seen a deer in that area. As I wrote upthread. Thanks for the info. Someone who's been there and knows the area is more believable and a better source than someone looking at maps and pictures alone. Edited March 27, 2015 by ChasingRabbits
Guest Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 If the GPS coordinates are correct(nothing else in the narrative checks out) the nearest mountains to the Germer sighting is Jack Mt which is 1 mile NW. Gumboot Mountain which is 2 Miles N. Silver Star Mountain which is 5.5 miles S. and Bells Mountain which is 8 miles West. Personally I do not think any of those are visible from the road location coordinates. Next time I am in the area I will go look around and see if I can see any mountains. The problem being that the sides of the river canyon are quite steep and you do not get much of a view of the surrounding terrain in the valley. I have all but written off that area due to the steep sided canyon. Some of the canyon walls are near vertical on the North Side of the river. BF may not be lazy like humans but coming to water in that area requires some real climbing to get in and out of that canyon. Never seen a deer in that area. Well can’t argue over human laziness but I know this human doesn’t necessarily need a sandwich to grab a glass a water at the sink either, when you’re thirsty and the opportunity present itself would you agree that its certainly possible for it to drink from there? Nonetheless, whether they do or not still doesn’t tell me a thing about whether that man (Germer) did or didn’t see what he claims he did, we're simply guessing at this point.
SWWASAS Posted March 27, 2015 BFF Patron Posted March 27, 2015 I did not mean to imply that the area is unlikely BF habitat. It just does not lend itself to my research other than just sitting by the river with a fishing pole in your hand waiting for something to happen. There are no trails and the only way a human can move is along the roads which are pretty busy for a forest road. The North side of 42 is very steep and that is the side that 4205 zig zags up away from 42. On the other side of the road, the river runs along. There are draws that would allow BF movement in and out of the canyon on the South Side, but once they get to any where near the river there is no cover. I cannot see BF being there much in daylight hours but night is another story. What bothers me, is that I can take you to within one or two yards of there I had encounters, and describe in detail what was there and what was visible to me at the time. What is mentioned in the Germer account is a mountain 11 miles away from stated geographical coordinates which could not have been in view, accounts of where the moon was behind the car, and then that the car was headed down hill which contradicts the location of the moon and the geography associated with the stated coordinates. Either the car was headed up the hill with the setting moon to the West or the car was headed down towards 42 with the moon in the front of the car. I have no idea why the account contradicts geography and the location and phase of the moon but it certainly does not give the story any credibility in my mind.
Guest Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 You would get no complaint from me. You did a great job laying out what exactly you presented. Your last point second paragraph is bothersome to me too.
clubbedfoot Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) Wes is either a really bad liar; has a horrible memory ....Or perhaps got fried by some infrasound..... Edited March 29, 2015 by clubbedfoot
SWWASAS Posted March 29, 2015 BFF Patron Posted March 29, 2015 I hate to call anyone a liar because I was not there. But the problem with making up or embellishing a story is that you introduce discrepancies like we have been discussing with moon phases and directions. Most people probably do not deal too well with their first BF sighting because of fear etc so details are probably lost with the event. And I do know a lot of people are directionally challenged. So that sort of thing might explain things with this sighting account. As I mentioned, I write everything into field notes and return to encounter location to photograph the location, grab GPS coordinates, and make sure I did not miss anything the day the event happened. Recently I returned to a location to find what appeared to be large animal borrows under a stump that I noticed at the time of an encounter. In 4 years the immediate location had changed dramatically. The underbrush had grown so thick with blackberry vines, that I had difficulty going through it and could not find the location of the borrows. I had wondered if the residents of the borrows were normal BF prey and thought that if they were, then putting a game camera there might catch a BF grabbing a rodent. I guess what I am saying is that the time to check things out, is sooner rather than later, because things can change quite rapidly. .
Guest Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) Clubbedfoot & SWWASASPROJECT - You two guys have been pretty patient and fair in your criticisms on the whole affair but the use of words like that are too harsh aren't they? Na ... we don’t need to call anyone names like that guys, I'll concede obviously something is amiss and none of us know for certain the reason or cause for it, all we can do is speculate. While its easy to second guess another's actions we all have to keep in mind what duress does to people. In hindsight, what I may view as rational and reasonably sound to me in the midst of a stressful moment may appear dumb or nonsensical to somebody else with the advantage time and distance to decipher and analyze my actions. Edited March 29, 2015 by Gumshoeye
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