Guest Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 (edited) @ Chasing Rabbits I totally agree CR, and with helicopters angle of the incident that’s interesting I never herd that part but did I say it reminded of military psi-ops? Of course, I think it may be somewhat of a stretch however, I have a report from Michigan where a couple and their guest sitting in the backyard watched a large 9 footer from run from one side of their property to other and into the woods followed by a forest green unmarked helicopter. So that’s not surprising to learn. I am inclined to agree that something terribly troubling occurred or was seen that wasn’t supposed to be seen. @ MIB To my mind, I see everything you do. We just see things from different eyes and experiences. My opinions are out front unveiled for all to read without any personal reservations within reason. I have no personal agenda in so far as Bigfoot topics go and you know up front where I stand on this topic but thanks for the comment. @ SWWASASQUATCHPROJECT For those of us not privy to the northwest could you explain what WASRT is? Is it a radio station? Am I to understand the incident occurred on Gumboot (Gumsho’s work boots I guess) mountain and not on Yacolt as previously believed? I am just asking for clarity and this not meant to be confrontational but why is it necessary to question what these gentlemen were doing out there in the wee hours of morning? Could it be somebody was going through a divorce or some other personal tribulation and needed time and space to be alone to clear some thoughts? I don’t understand how their personal business is drawn into this discussion. :-) @ Jayjeti Thanks for the link! Edited May 2, 2015 by Gumshoeye
ShadowBorn Posted May 2, 2015 Moderator Posted May 2, 2015 What I find more incredible is the statement Will Jevning made in the report Chele gave the link for (thanks by the way). If the Feds can track bigfoot like that then how is it possible that fugitives doing the same thing can't be found or caught. If they do have that kind of technology, (which I find it very hard to believe!) is it more important to use it to track bigfoot rather than fugitives from the law? He also seems to intimate that he has more of this incredible knowledge. That's simple fugitives have and understanding of being captured so are actively trying to hide. These creatures in their element do not have an understanding of our machines nor and understanding of being captured. The forest is wide open, FLIR and helo at night is a good combination to get a creature on scope. Hint hint>
Guest Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 Well one thing I see from Wes and Woody's account was that they did have handguns which would be good enough for spotlighting deer if that was what they were doing. They were smart enough not to mention a spotlight in their report if they were using one. From the moon reports, they would have had to be at least a week earlier than stated. According to their own words it was clear and moonlit. Seems to be a major part of their report. But just for discussion let's say they were mistaken. I have camped just north of that area many times. If it is clear and no moon, it is very dark out there. However, if it is cloudy as the weather reports state, it can be pretty light out there especially to the south which was behind them in that area. This is because of the light reflection off the clouds from the cities of Vancouver, WA and Portland both to the south of there. So who knows? Maybe the moon was just the spotlight they didn't mention. ;-) What I find more incredible is the statement Will Jevning made in the report Chele gave the link for (thanks by the way). If the Feds can track bigfoot like that then how is it possible that fugitives doing the same thing can't be found or caught. If they do have that kind of technology, (which I find it very hard to believe!) is it more important to use it to track bigfoot rather than fugitives from the law? He also seems to intimate that he has more of this incredible knowledge. @Big Tree Walker There has been discussion of a different location and I haven’t received a response on whether or not it was Yacolt or Gumboot Mountain but is possible to experience two separate weather patterns? I mean, if it’s cloudy you will not see a moon but it’s clear, you will see something. I just don’t know. Just a thought. Fugitives are humans and Bigfoot is an animal as far as anyone knows depending on who is presenting the point. Human fugitives do what humans do, they seek comfort and security in places they are familiar with and most eventually do get apprehended. The sheer number of fugitives roaming the streets far outnumbers the resources looking for them depending on the money and resources available. Bigfoot on the other hand has been born and bred to evade humans where possible. If humans took study of Bigfoot, and their abilities elude escape and evade seriously human fugitives would be much more dangerous don’t you think?
chelefoot Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 I can't open the link now. Anyone else? This one: https://word.office....esRevealed.docx I knew I should have saved it.
Guest Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 Yeah I received the Microsoft warning the document file could not be opened too!
BigTreeWalker Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 Chele, I have a copy of it but I can't attach it here. Any suggestions? Gumshoeye, usually the cloud cover is pretty consistent in this area in November, meaning it will cover a very large area. In the report the moon phase was not consistent with the date of the report. If it happened within a couple days of when they claimed it did, there was no full moon then, only a sliver, and just before or after sunrise. I was just suggesting a possible source of the light. Otherwise it would have been pitch black out there! Gumboot and Yacolt mountains are not the same place. They are some distance apart, but not far enough to make a difference weather wise. Besides the weather station is on Larch Mountain a few miles to the south of there. According to the Washington Sasquatch Research Team (WASRT) they were on the side of Jack mountain just a couple miles south of Gumboot. I've been there and it matches WASRT'S investigation video exactly. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FFvnFuwenvQ So are we saying there are infrared satellites purposed to target bigfoot? Or nightly helicopter flights to do so? Still unbelievable! Sorry I was assuming we read the report and Will Jevnings email.
BigTreeWalker Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 I was curious about the weather during November 2012. To give Wes and Woody the benefit of the doubt, I looked it up for Kelso and Vancouver, WA. So a good part of SW WA. I looked for the period of Nov 10-16. The weather during this period of time at 2am to 5am was overcast or misty and foggy. Pretty consistent. The sighting was about 20 miles to the east of these two towns which are 35 miles apart north to south. So that covers this whole area. Weather here during this time of year moves in an easterly direction. http://www.friendlyforecast.com/usa/archive/archive.php?region=WA&id=321041&?&date=20121110000000&sort=hour I also checked the moonrise times for the 10th through the 16th. The moon rose at 3:06am on the 10th with 24% illumination. It then comes up about an hour and 10 min later each day after that and gets dimmer each day. So by the 12th the moon is no longer rising in the time frame given for the sighting. http://www.timeanddate.com/moon/usa/vancouver?month=11&year=2012 That is why I suggested city lights reflecting from the clouds. So the location was wrong, the weather was wrong, and the moon phase was wrong. So what do we have?
chelefoot Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 Chele, I have a copy of it but I can't attach it here. Any suggestions? I will find out if there's a way. I think we should archive it right here in this thread for future reference in the event it doesn't show up again...like the videos.
chelefoot Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 Gumshoeye, WASRT = Washington Sasquatch Research Team
Guest diana swampbooger Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 Gumshoeye, "So the location was wrong, the weather was wrong, and the moon phase was wrong. So what do we have?" Obviously, domestication has evolved differently between First Nations People & European Whites. The story is highly traumatizing & SasChron is great therapy for those who have never spoken of the trauma. I used to accompany my husband(passed 10/14/06) when he attended AA meetings. I learned a lot about emotional, mental & physical stress, trauma & pain.
Bonehead74 Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 (edited) Diana, Could you please be a bit less cryptic? What exactly are you saying in relation to either Mr. Garrett's or Wes and Woody's claims? Also, I believe the quote you were responding to was made by BigTreeWalker, not Gumshoeye. Edited May 2, 2015 by Bonehead74
SWWASAS Posted May 2, 2015 BFF Patron Posted May 2, 2015 (edited) I was curious about the weather during November 2012. To give Wes and Woody the benefit of the doubt, I looked it up for Kelso and Vancouver, WA. So a good part of SW WA. I looked for the period of Nov 10-16. The weather during this period of time at 2am to 5am was overcast or misty and foggy. Pretty consistent. The sighting was about 20 miles to the east of these two towns which are 35 miles apart north to south. So that covers this whole area. Weather here during this time of year moves in an easterly direction. http://www.friendlyforecast.com/usa/archive/archive.php?region=WA&id=321041&?&date=20121110000000&sort=hour I also checked the moonrise times for the 10th through the 16th. The moon rose at 3:06am on the 10th with 24% illumination. It then comes up about an hour and 10 min later each day after that and gets dimmer each day. So by the 12th the moon is no longer rising in the time frame given for the sighting. http://www.timeanddate.com/moon/usa/vancouver?month=11&year=2012 That is why I suggested city lights reflecting from the clouds. So the location was wrong, the weather was wrong, and the moon phase was wrong. So what do we have? The winter weather reports can be misleading. It can be foggy where I live in the country North of Battle Ground but clear 1000 feet higher. I see that all the time in the winter when I do field work. So foggy weather reports can be misleading. The Larch Mountain readings would be more representative in the winter months of the weather at Jack Mountain than Vancouver or Kelso. Both of those places are on the Columbia river and subject to fog forming over the river in the winter time. But one of the days I went to the location recently there were low clouds. That day the top of Jack Mountain was hidden by clouds. Not only the time is a problem for the moon but the terrain is to. The reported sighting location is well down in the East Fork canyon and the moon has to be pretty high in the sky to not be behind some ridge. The river makes a bend right there too, so even along the river is not a straight shot if the moon is setting. In the country North of Battle Ground I do get sky glow from, Battle Ground, Vancouver or Portland. City lights reflected off of clouds. It is bright enough that when I lay in bed I can see the outlines of trees. There are no street lights where I live in the country so that is representative of what can happen at least at the same distance I am from Portland. The difference however, is that there is no high terrain between me and the greater Portland Metro area. At Jack Mountain there is lots of high terrain between there and the Portland Metro area which is further away distance wise from that location. But you are quite right that there are significant problems with the narrative. Most of the time for their experience they were in their vehicle. Headlights, tail lights, and other illuminations can put out a lot of light in a dark environment like that. Why would they even embellish the story with a full moon or even mention the moon when the vehicle lights could have provided all the necessary illumination to see something with their story. Even that part is strange about the narrative. They did not need the moon to see anything. It is not like they were out in the woods on foot. Edited May 2, 2015 by SWWASASQUATCHPROJECT
Guest Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 (edited) Gumshoeye, "So the location was wrong, the weather was wrong, and the moon phase was wrong. So what do we have?" Obviously, domestication has evolved differently between First Nations People & European Whites. The story is highly traumatizing & SasChron is great therapy for those who have never spoken of the trauma. I used to accompany my husband(passed 10/14/06) when he attended AA meetings. I learned a lot about emotional, mental & physical stress, trauma & pain. @ Diana S I was asking a rhetorical question about weather and cloud between two different mountain locations. My sincerest sympathies to you and your husband I am sorry to learn that. So please explain what you view as similarities between emotional, mental & physical stress, trauma and pain with the Sasquatch Chronicles and Campground site destroyed or do you, I’m not sure I understand. Chele, I have a copy of it but I can't attach it here. Any suggestions? Gumshoeye, usually the cloud cover is pretty consistent in this area in November, meaning it will cover a very large area. In the report the moon phase was not consistent with the date of the report. If it happened within a couple days of when they claimed it did, there was no full moon then, only a sliver, and just before or after sunrise. I was just suggesting a possible source of the light. Otherwise it would have been pitch black out there! Gumboot and Yacolt mountains are not the same place. They are some distance apart, but not far enough to make a difference weather wise. Besides the weather station is on Larch Mountain a few miles to the south of there. According to the Washington Sasquatch Research Team (WASRT) they were on the side of Jack mountain just a couple miles south of Gumboot. I've been there and it matches WASRT'S investigation video exactly. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FFvnFuwenvQ So are we saying there are infrared satellites purposed to target bigfoot? Or nightly helicopter flights to do so? Still unbelievable! Sorry I was assuming we read the report and Will Jevnings email. You know the fascinating about the You Tube video is this, I viewed the entire video and nowhere within short clip do they suggest this SC incident did not occur. Furthermore I noticed in the same video that neither people meaning the narrator nor the second individual acknowledge their presence during the time of the alleged incident did they? I believe they videotaped the location and I can appreciate that because it offers one the ability to envision the location rather than just describing it. Where did nightly helicopter flights come from? I believe Chasing Rabbits brought it to the discussion but I don't where that came from and who said anything about infrared satellites? Edited May 2, 2015 by Gumshoeye
BigTreeWalker Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 I only mentioned the light reflection of the metro lights because it is a viable source of light when it is cloudy for most of the southern half of the Gifford Pinchot NF. Terrain is not a hindering factor if the cloud level is above the hill height. Our elk camp is at least 20 miles north of the area being discussed and the reflected light is good enough to see down the north/south running logging roads all night long. To get a full moon at the time of their sighting it would have been 2 weeks earlier. One thing they would have had going for them is that FR 4205 runs north/south in that area.
BigTreeWalker Posted May 2, 2015 Posted May 2, 2015 Gumshoeye, I was referring directly to Will Jevning's email in the report. He states that the Feds knew where the bigfoot were during Wes and Woody's sighting and they were not in that area at the time of the sighting. And I ask again how do the Feds have this kind of information!
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