Bigfoot Is Nearly Everywhere Is An Untenable Pretense

[Guest DWA]

In my 40 plus years of living in human society, surrounded by many many thousands of other humans, I have not witnessed first-hand any of the maladies you list. That must mean they don't exist right?

This.  I've never seen a seizure; a stroke; a heart attack; a brain aneurysm.  Never, ever, ever in my life, and I might be willing to bet a significant sum that the first one of any I witness will be the one that happens to me.  If they're real, which, actually, they aren't.  And I don't care how many millions there have been.  Say that to me and I will just laugh at you.  Has one happened to me?  No.  SO THEY DON'T EXIST.

 

(You see what I did there.)

 

(One kidney stone, fortunately, not mine.)

 

People simply don't think about this.  NA is carpeted with deer.  How many have you seen die?  That you see any dead at all, you only see because NA is, literally, *carpeted* with deer.

Edited May 27, 2015 by DWA

[Guest DWA]

These kind of presumptions:

 

"Bigfoot would have been hit by a car by now"

"Someone would have found a body by now"

"We should have DNA by now" ect. 

 

 are based on what skeptics assume this animal would be like if it were real. 

Actually, not so much this as they describe three things that have already happened.

The unwarranted assumption is made that the whole society would know something that no one can report without being laughed at.  Cars have come into the shop with bigfoot damage and hairs in the bumper.  Hunters have shot them and carefully examined the bodies (this has almost certainly happened at least twice).  People have found mummified hands in AK (twice in the same area within a couple months, in fact); people have found bones corresponding to nothing known.

 

Just no one believes it, and makes the ridiculous leap that somehow, we all would know.

How can everyone know something no one believes?  Just another of many intellectual vacancies in the "skepticism" on this topic.

[guyzonthropus]

And should a serious announcement be put forth, which editor/publisher is going to be the first one to come out with a seriously oriented article or feature on this topic, as, i would imagine, the fear of being caught up in another hoax, taking it as presented, and facing the results should it prove false, would make any one think twice...look what happened to Ketchum, then Sykes comes out with his selectively analysed sample set, safely and with rep. intact...from which authoritative figure in the BF realm would the journals even accept such a submission? Meldrum maybe...Bindernagle? Would they even be considered ? Or shall the mainstream simply keep dismissing it? Even with a body, it may prove difficult to get academics to risk being associated with,, much less making public claims of, positive confirmation. And thats presuming the powers that be would allow it to proceed to even that point.....

[Guest Crowlogic]

Well Crow, if they didn't have that so called special dispensation they would have been proven by now!

Yes, assumptions and presumptions.

Since not a single bigfoot has ever been brought into the realm of reality each and everything about them is conjecture.  Within that conjecture the proponent has created excuses why bigfoot is never captured or proven.  I have generously called these excuses special dispensation BTW.  A realist will dispense with the idea of special dispensation and use a real world model for a supposed real world animal.  In the real world even the best stealth specialists are found dead, or captured from time to time.  This is what happens in the real world.

[Guest DWA]

Conjecture is something that happens all the time in science.  what's the problem?  And why should we care whether you are being generous or not?  Your opinion isn't important.

 

"Stealth specialists" are animals about which we know much...because scientists have accepted them as real.  Bigfoot have been shot and examined...but they aren't.  See the diff?

[Guest Crowlogic]

In my 40 plus years of living in human society, surrounded by many many thousands of other humans, I have not witnessed first-hand any of the maladies you list. That must mean they don't exist right?

Stan where do you live?  In my lifetime I have witnessed people getting hit by cars (in small rural town no less), car accidents as they happened (in a city), bear hit by cars (Bucks County PA), the body of a person that died of a stroke while attending an open house for a housing development (rural suburbs).  Also bodies strewn along a certain parkway on Long Island which is a known mob body dumping ground.  None of what I list here is a common observance especially in the days before security cameras and traffic cams.  Those things have made car accidents very common to observe after the fact.  Is anyone supposed to believe that bigfoot as it's been rubbing elbows with civilization never to have met a same fate as it's human counterparts who are BTW the architects of civilization and know better than any other animal on earth how to navigate it. 

Conjecture is something that happens all the time in science.  what's the problem?  And why should we care whether you are being generous or not?  Your opinion isn't important.

 

"Stealth specialists" are animals about which we know much...because scientists have accepted them as real.  Bigfoot have been shot and examined...but they aren't.  See the diff?

So are you saying that at the end of the day real scientists are responsible for proving bigfoot is real?

[Guest DWA]

Stan where do you live?  In my lifetime I have witnessed people getting hit by cars (in small rural town no less), car accidents as they happened (in a city), bear hit by cars (Bucks County PA), the body of a person that died of a stroke while attending an open house for a housing development (rural suburbs).  Also bodies strewn along a certain parkway on Long Island which is a known mob body dumping ground.  None of what I list here is a common observance especially in the days before security cameras and traffic cams.  Those things have made car accidents very common to observe after the fact.  Is anyone supposed to believe that bigfoot as it's been rubbing elbows with civilization never to have met a same fate as it's human counterparts who are BTW the architects of civilization and know better than any other animal on earth how to navigate it. 

 

And I know you can see that that really has nothing to do with confirming anything as real or not based on your personal experience.  Or else you would have to see that Stan and I know, for certain, that ^^^this is wrong, because we have never personally seen it our personal selves so it cannot be real.

So are you saying that at the end of the day real scientists are responsible for proving bigfoot is real?

 

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!  This is why they are paid; this is why we delegate the processes of science to them.  Yes!!!!!!!!!!  And know what?  They would tell you the same thing.  But only if this isn't the topic.  Their blatant lack of logic on this point highlights the inadequacy of scientific training; "scientists" are trained in extending from canon, not in dealing with things outside of canon.  If there is no starting point within accepted canon, most "scientists" will not have any way of dealing with it, hence the lame dismissals of "we'd have seen one/shot one/hit one with a car...," "no apes in the temperate zone," "no fossil record," "not enough food," ...etc. ad infinitum ad nauseam...

Edited May 27, 2015 by DWA

[Guest]

 Also bodies strewn along a certain parkway on Long Island which is a known mob body dumping ground. 

 

Well as soon as you **** denialists stop holding out on where the Sasquatch Mafia are dumping their victims.... 

 

 

But seriously, real world, you can't hear, are deaf to, are incomprehensive of real world, every real world explanation applied is called "special pleading" if it's from proponents. For example, given a population in the several thousands, and average mortality rate there should be a half dozen or so IDable by a 5 year old,  BF bodies lying around on the surface of North America at any one time, given that REAL WORLD a carcass will be disposed of and scattered ever 2 weeks these locations will keep changing. Even a couple of dozen at a time over whole continent is still REAL WORLD terrible odds for finding one when you consider that most PNW states each have 3 or 4 times that number of lost planes, which produce much more durable remnants, and even a 5 year old seeing wreckage with "skellingtons" hanging out should know enough to tell sheriff about that, even if the BF corpse gets passed over as "oh there's one of them things they was chasing on TV". Just to spell that out, planes more findable, people more likely to think "I should call that in to someone" and STILL more lost than BF bodies to find. Plus in most cases they get looked for, all the BFer group outings ever still probably don't add up to the S&R effort for one lost senator in a light plane.

 

Roadkill, again given populations in the several thousands, we should get one hit every few decades in the REAL WORLD, it may have happened more than once and the corpse escaped anyone who thought it was important. I mean what kind of fool would see one of a  million bears on the side of the road, forgetting the total count of number of days there was NOT a dead bear in that spot, and say, "hey look, that right there proves that creature maybe a thousand times rarer should die on the road enough times a year that everyone should have a stuffed one up at the cabin".

 

Again proponents are having a "straw bigfoot" foisted on us, it's so clumsy it should trip every time you attempt to follow it, it's so fragile you can take it down with a slingshot, so obliging that it jumps in the way if you miss, so stupid that you can catch it in cartoon traps, so gregarious that if you shake any tree 10 would fall out... 

[Guest DWA]

Why isn't it common societal knowledge yet? 

 

Anyone paying attention knows.

 

1) Wild animal.

2) Not huge population (one would not be expected for an animal like this).

3) Most of society in denial.

 

Simple explanation, really.

And yep, the animal the skeptics are saying this would have to be is either (1) impossible or (2) come take a pic, I have one at my window now, don't worry you'll get here in time.

[Guest Crowlogic]

 

 

Roadkill, again given populations in the several thousands, we should get one hit every few decades in the REAL WORLD, it may have happened more than once and the corpse escaped anyone who thought it was important. I mean what kind of fool would see one of a  million bears on the side of the road, forgetting the total count of number of days there was NOT a dead bear in that spot, and say, "hey look, that right there proves that creature maybe a thousand times rarer should die on the road enough times a year that everyone should have a stuffed one up at the cabin".

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There must be thousands of bigfoot to be in all the places they are now seen.  The only solid reason for anything not running afoul of human activity is if it's tucked way out of the way.  The popular thrust in bigfoot has been to give everybdy a piece of the pie.

[Guest DWA]

There probably ARE many thousands of them.  What does this matter, when no one believes anyone who has seen one, and no one dismissing the evidence is paying any attention to the ones who aren't?

 

Some ability to think about how the world works is definitely required.

 

 

  The only solid reason for anything not running afoul of human activity is if it's tucked way out of the way.  

THEY ARE RUNNING AFOUL OF HUMAN ACTIVITY.  This is called "Reading Is Fundamental."

 

How are they being seen if there is no one to see them?  As I said, some ability to think about how the world works is required.

Edited May 29, 2015 by DWA

[Guest Crowlogic]

This.  I've never seen a seizure; a stroke; a heart attack; a brain aneurysm.  Never, ever, ever in my life, and I might be willing to bet a significant sum that the first one of any I witness will be the one that happens to me.  If they're real, which, actually, they aren't.  And I don't care how many millions there have been.  Say that to me and I will just laugh at you.  Has one happened to me?  No.  SO THEY DON'T EXIST.

 

(You see what I did there.)

 

(One kidney stone, fortunately, not mine.)

 

People simply don't think about this.  NA is carpeted with deer.  How many have you seen die?  That you see any dead at all, you only see because NA is, literally, *carpeted* with deer.

Wow I watched them carry a former boss dead of a heart attack in the elevator not more then 20 minutes after he told me he was going up to the company lounge.  

[Guest DWA]

Lucky guy.

[Guest Crowlogic]

There probably ARE many thousands of them.  What does this matter, when no one believes anyone who has seen one, and no one dismissing the evidence is paying any attention to the ones who aren't?

 

Some ability to think about how the world works is definitely required.

 

 

THEY ARE RUNNING AFOUL OF HUMAN ACTIVITY.  This is called "Reading Is Fundamental."

 

How are they being seen if there is no one to see them?  As I said, some ability to think about how the world works is required.

We have bigfoot reports, we don't have bigfoot.  Many thousands?  Many thousands of potential instances that might finish one off and into human hands.  I remember watching a WWII newsreel of a huge parachute jump into enemy territory.  There must have been 500 chutes coming down.  At one point a dark streak shot through the camera's field of vision  and my dad said we had just seen a soldier falling to his death because his chute hadn't opened.  He proceeded to explain that the huge troop drop would have more than a few causalities in the form of injuries or worse like the unopened chute.  So maybe 495 paratroopers got off that field OK and maybe a half dozen had to be assisted along but at least one would't be.  That is the way statistics work.  The greater the number in the set the greater the number of possible anomalies. So are there 20,000 bigfoot?  You tell me I'd say that kind of number is like that parachute drop and we should have the hapless animal that didn't judge the approaching truck.

[Guest DWA]

We've had everything...but didn't have it...until we did.

 

Once again, "no proof = no way" doesn't work here.  As the man says:

 

Proof is a notion that scientists have been intimidated into mistrusting.  - Richard Dawkins

Those of us familiar with scientists' interactions with nature get constant reminders how little scientists know about what is right under their noses...and how gobsmack amazed they are, while we're just sittin' there pickin' our teeth and thinkin' uh huh.  Well maybe if you paid more attention.

 

The omniscience of modern science is one of the biggest societal myths.