Has Bigfoot Science Stalled?

[Guest Cryptic Megafauna]

Apes, Bigfoot, have head stuck on neck where ours is elevated.

Longer arms and greater arm strength needs a higher fulcrum to "wing" arms.

There center of mass is solar plexus, I believe.

Ours is at the hips due to our type of locomotion.

Another reason Patty walks that way and wings her arms to adjust balance and posture.

[BigTreeWalker]

We also wing (swing) our arms when we walk. We don't know where or how Patty's neck is aligned. Yes she is leaning forward. But large muscles in the shoulders would affect the appearance of how the neck is attached.

[SWWASAS]

Looking at the question of why we have longer necks,  once our ancestors left the safety of  trees and moved out onto the savannas of Africa we became hunter gatherers at the mercy of surface predators like lions and hyenas.     I believe it is assumed that we went exclusively bipedal to get the advantage of height in spotting and avoiding the 4 footed predators.   Humans started getting taller because taller was an advantage to see and avoid.       If we see them before they see us they can be avoided or we can run to and climb the nearest tree.   Taller humans survived better and shorter ones were at a disadvantage.     Along with that development of a longer neck allowing more freedom of movement to look around to the side and back would be advantageous to avoid the predators.   Cats attack from behind.           

[BigTreeWalker]

All good thoughts. Also occurring a couple million years ago.

I had a thought today about that upright posture and bigfoot. Cougars hunt on human made trails, as do coyotes. But all the BF tracks I have found in relation to those same trails or old logging roads are crossing. Cougars and coyotes hunting that way aren't going to be that visible to something on those trails. Bigfoot however, would be very visible with their upright posture. The result being different hunting tactics.

As to interesting hunting tactics. I've seen where one coyote is on the trail visible to prey while another is off trail essentially invisible. Depending on which way the prey flees one or the other has a good chance of getting it.

[Guest Cryptic Megafauna]

Go about 15 minutes in.

[bipedalist]

All good thoughts. Also occurring a couple million years ago.

I had a thought today about that upright posture and bigfoot. Cougars hunt on human made trails, as do coyotes. But all the BF tracks I have found in relation to those same trails or old logging roads are crossing. Cougars and coyotes hunting that way aren't going to be that visible to something on those trails. Bigfoot however, would be very visible with their upright posture. The result being different hunting tactics.

As to interesting hunting tactics. I've seen where one coyote is on the trail visible to prey while another is off trail essentially invisible. Depending on which way the prey flees one or the other has a good chance of getting it.

 

Interesting on the cross trail BF crossings.  Not understanding the why of that, I think it is interesting when they escort a good number of witnesses out of an area when they feel intruded upon as it seems they are expert at paralleling them and even stopping and pausing when the witness stops and pauses.

 

Another insight is that deer or ungulate trails frequently follow contour lines, this would intersect many straight line human trails and alot of switchback trails to some extent (not quite sure why BF wouldn't engage in the same travel patterns), full well knowing that many native american trails and later wagon roads probably were originally developed by steadfast ungulate travel patterns (probably not so much steadfast blackbear trails).  This in montane environments anywhoo where I have the most experience. 

 

On another note, I have noted that black bear in the southern appalachians often follow the beeline (not that I haven't seen deer do the same thing when heading down especially), which is a human choice too among those fit enough to put in the effort.  Glad most human trails were not designed by black bear.  We would have alot of erosion by-way-of shortcutting,

 

So the question is, if a BF is hunting an ungulate, what method of travel and ambush is it most comfortable with?  

 

I am reminded of a BFRO sighting in Montana by an elk hunting guide on horseback who eyeballed a BF behind a rootball below the trail.  Alerted by his horse, the guy got a good view of the expression on the BF's face apparently which was one of total surprise. as if it was anticipating an elk ambush instead.  It sounds as if it was stationed at right-angles to that game trail. 

 

 

 

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Edited March 31, 2016 by bipedalist

[BigTreeWalker]

I think part of it may also be their awareness of their own tracks. Your going to leave a lot more tracks following a trail than you are crossing it.

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/article/do-bite-marks-on-bones-prove-bigfoot-is-real/

 

Bite marks made by Bigfoot...??? 

[SWWASAS]

All but two of my footprint finds are crossing human trails where they left prints on trail margins stepping across the human trail. .   They seem to avoid human trails when they are going their direction and they could use them.   In those trail crossing finds the BF made great effort to avoid stepping on muddy human trails and leaving tracks.    Some of the crossing strides were exceptional and far beyond my capability.     In one area they had their own trail that basically paralleled a human trail so even when humans trails are present, they choose to travel off trail.    They seem fanatic to me avoiding leaving footprints.       One of the non trail finds was on a mud flat on a lake shore.      Even at that the BF appeared to have been in the lake, stepped out, and walked up the shore to the nearby timber going to great pains to avoid leaving footprints.    I found two footprints one large and one smaller,  about 20 feet from the waters edge.   No footprints were visible in that 20 feet  to the water or beyond the two footprints in the muddy section near the lake.    The only way that could have been done is to use small patches of grass and vegetation to step on to avoid leaving tracks in the muddy ground.       At first I thought that remarkable but then realized I had done nearly the same thing getting near the footprints without getting my boots muddy to examine and photograph the prints.    I was not as successful and ended up getting muddy boots.    They either hate muddy feet or are fanatic about avoiding leaving footprints.       One print was 17.3 inches in length, and the other one was 8 inches.      The prints were just a few hours old because according to the camp host, they had a thunderstorm that night with a torrential rainfall.     The prints were made after the rain and the mud was cracking as it dried with a sharp border outlining the prints.     Meldrum says the 17.3 was likely a female because it was narrow for its length relative to most BF tracks.  .        

Edited March 31, 2016 by SWWASASQUATCHPROJECT

[georgerm]

Much of our knowledge about BF depends on its intelligence. Are they smart animals or stealthy smart cave people in an animal body? Does BF avoid leaving tracks to keep humans unaware of its presence or is it a kind of hunting stealth? All BFs probably don't know humans are a problem or does the word spread? Are they taught this by their parents who learned it from their parents and so on. This means they must have pretty good verbal communication.  Is this a theory and not a fact.

 

 

All good thoughts. Also occurring a couple million years ago.

I had a thought today about that upright posture and bigfoot. Cougars hunt on human made trails, as do coyotes. But all the BF tracks I have found in relation to those same trails or old logging roads are crossing. Cougars and coyotes hunting that way aren't going to be that visible to something on those trails. Bigfoot however, would be very visible with their upright posture. The result being different hunting tactics.

As to interesting hunting tactics. I've seen where one coyote is on the trail visible to prey while another is off trail essentially invisible. Depending on which way the prey flees one or the other has a good chance of getting it.

 

 

Are they trying to avoid humans by staying in the brush and off trails? Big Tree said their huge stature would give their advance away. Do they stay off trails so their prey won't smell their presence if they want to set up an ambush blind along a trail? This makes little sense since they stink.  Maybe they don't stink while hunting since they have control over the olfactory gland.  

 

We have more question than answers. There are reports of BFs following people but off set from the trail by 50' or so. My wife's experience while deer hunting matched this escorting method. She thought it was a bear or cougar, but when she said it paralleled her and stopped when she stopped, BF came to mind. Walking parallel to game trails creates lots of noise and fear.

 

Do bigfoots follow a strict code of behavior that is, never let humans know the BFs are around if your family is within several miles? However, if they are walking towards the family unit, then escorting is necessary. If you are miles and miles away from the family then joking with humans is fine.  

[BigTreeWalker]

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/article/do-bite-marks-on-bones-prove-bigfoot-is-real/

 

Bite marks made by Bigfoot...???

Here's the original article with a picture I actually took. Don't know where that snow picture came from.

http://www.thereflector.com/news/article_a10bc414-03db-11e5-bbbf-af83bd8208b9.html

I am currently dealing with Dr Meldrum, Lisa Bright's comments and Mitchel Townsend. If this research doesn't go anywhere, as far as I can see, there's only one person to blame for its not getting recognized. I've just about had enough of putting out his fires. Rehash after rehash but I guess that's the Internet for you.

I have offered to take our finds to Meldrum in person so he can see what we have, instead of second hand information which is all that I currently see.

[BigTreeWalker]

Are they trying to avoid humans by staying in the brush and off trails? Big Tree said their huge stature would give their advance away. Do they stay off trails so their prey won't smell their presence if they want to set up an ambush blind along a trail? This makes little sense since they stink.  Maybe they don't stink while hunting since they have control over the olfactory gland.  

 

We have more question than answers. There are reports of BFs following people but off set from the trail by 50' or so. My wife's experience while deer hunting matched this escorting method. She thought it was a bear or cougar, but when she said it paralleled her and stopped when she stopped, BF came to mind. Walking parallel to game trails creates lots of noise and fear.

 

Do bigfoots follow a strict code of behavior that is, never let humans know the BFs are around if your family is within several miles? However, if they are walking towards the family unit, then escorting is necessary. If you are miles and miles away from the family then joking with humans is fine.  

Staying off the trails has to do with visibility and the leaving of tracks. Scent has nothing to do with that action. If your scent is a problem simply stay downwind of your prey. It is easier to ambush from the cover on the side of the trail than from the trail itself. Their following behavior is definitely evidence of this. They can follow and yet stay hidden. The best tracks I've found for bears, cougars and wolves has been in trails. So if you are trying to avoid that it's a good tactic to stay off of them.

[georgerm]

If you want to find one Patterson Gimlin seemed to have and approach that worked.

Spend nine years getting to know your subject better and better.

Be camera ready at all times, use pack animals to get up country to areas of recent sightings, especially footprints.

Perhaps an area with recent logging where the entities have begun to move but not completely vacated the area yet.

Probably looking of Bigfoot with almost no experience of man and a family group slowed down by a child.

Pick a nice fall day and have a happy accident.

 

This sounds like a good method.

[Guest WesT]

If you follow the game trails, and if they are there, they will have an ambush set up somewhere. Methods may vary.

[SWWASAS]

BTW has Meldrum seemed receptive to your work?     I say that because I tried to present my infrasound stuff to him and he basically said it was out of his area of expertise and did not even want to look at it.   One would think graphs etc would be interesting to a scientist no matter what your discipline if it supported your contention of a unknown primate existing in NA.   He even mentions infrasound in his book so I was pretty much taken aback when he basically blew me off and told me to show it to David Ellis.    I wonder if that is what is going on with Meldrum and your bone study?  

 

  Ellis did not want to look at the data but wanted the raw recording.     That did not sit right with me.    Why would you avoid looking at my analysis especially when I told him it was not easy to recognize in the first place?    I got the impression he really did not understand what I was telling him.   He assumes any sound BF can make is like a bird call in the audible spectrum.    Part of his thing now that he is a self proclaimed expert, is to debunk sound recordings he gets from others.    I wonder if he was in that mode with me?.       Anyway he never followed up and contacted me like he said he would so he basically blew me off too.    All of this is why science comes to a screeching halt as far as BF.     Too many competing egos and too many experts.    No one wants to take the time and pull what is there all together.   In some ways they don't seem to want to look at stuff outside their own specialties.  

 

What is needed is a panel of scientists and others that meet once a year and try to pull new things together.    They need to be able to park their egos and work together to solve this problem.    BF conferences are public events and not where problems can be solved with the public looking over your shoulder.        More science has been done arguing in university hallways and in private settings in accademia than in conference rooms after papers are presented.    .     

Edited April 2, 2016 by SWWASASQUATCHPROJECT