Has Bigfoot Science Stalled?

[JDL]

 

 

 

 

Lets examine just for a moment the purported behavior patterns of these critters.  They're masters at hiding, They're masters at getting around at night.  They don't leave a lot of sign. They seem to have a fair degree of intelligence.  The appear to be tactically sound.

 

Now.

 

A bunch of academia is going to go into the forests, mountains, and woodlands, and make discoveries?

 

Not in this universe.

 

Grants or no grants.

 

Good points but one concept was left out. The academic primatologist teams up with the experienced field researcher like SWWA, Shadowborn, Leaftalker, and  others. Now we have the power of science. Who else qualifies? If I left your name off, sorry.

 

Who are the field researchers and what are their qualifications, years at it, and so on.

 

 

I caught flak for mentioning my previous profession - but I can't help who I am and what I was.

 

A significant portion of my work was hunting men, and another significant portion of my work was long range recon work - we were to avoid contact if at all possible, and simply find, observe, note, count, and report movement of our opponents.

 

Five men was a bunch to keep quiet and hidden.  Five was about the absolute limit one could hope to hide.  Once in an overlook position, we would remain pretty much motionless for 72 hours.  When a regiment sized unit was passing, they took a break right in front of us.  One stepped between my head and my extended hand - but we remained undetected.

 

I have a fair idea of what's possible in hiding, observing, or traversing - and that's with very skilled, very practiced, highly trained team members.  The "professionals" from academia are going to be trying to detect this large animal.  I think that's entirely the wrong mindset, and I have personal reasons for that belief.  

 

If you're hunting one thing, but it's something much different that you assume, you're already on a fail.

 

 

Would you be opposed to teaming up with a primatologist that stays in the base camp while the recon people spend the night in the forest? Both are working from opposite ends to get the job done.

 

We were USMC combat engineers reserves 1969 - 1975, and were capable of building some really fine deep forest camps. The camp would be so comfortable the primatologist and recon people would stay for the whole summer.  If bigfoot needed a home, we could blow holes in the mountain sides with C-4 inserted with electric primers and wired to a battery source.

^^^ That's how the photographs of a burial event were captured....long-range capable equipment wherein the operative was able to attain such from a stand off position. Got spotting scope?

 

 

Can you post a URL and tell more about this?

 

 

Just my opinion, but I have good reason to believe that's the wrong approach.  Doesn't matter if the primatologist is quiet and follows directions perfectly, he's still a burden on many levels.

 

My approach is all about maximizing results and minimizing risks.  Just like when hunting men.  Except these things have additional abilities men don't have, and are even more tuned to their environment.

 

Yeah, haha!  A kindred skill set.  One of my four MOS's was the team engineer.  I used C-4 to heat my coffee and boil water for my LRRP rations.

 

 

Just don't stomp on C4 to put it out, but you know that.

 

FarArcher, there have been some wannabe's that have given Spec Ops guys a bad rap here and that's why these guys are down on them.  If anyone is going to bring one in, though, it will either be by sheer luck, or by the type of meticulous planning Spec Ops do routinely and the application of skills one only picks up by hunting men who hunt men.  You've got a leg up because you already know what you're up against.  A guy with your background who hasn't already encountered one would be at a disadvantage by comparison, even with planning and skills.

 

I've got a spot I'd like to go back to some day, but not without a well financed team including Spec Ops vets with a proper respect for the subject.  Already written about it on other threads here.

[SWWASAS]

The last dozen posts on this thread have been very interesting.  People have viable options to try.    I got my airplane annual inspection done yesterday and since the winds were light decided to head out into the Gifford Pinchott National Forest too look around from the air.     I truely wish those of you who claim there is little wilderness left could have taken a ride with me.     Oh yes, there are vast tracks that have been logged in the last 10 years, but there are huge tracts of forests untouched for decades.    No roads, no access, no trails.   I found a huge waterfall that has probably not been seen by more than a dozen people from the ground because of how remote it was and inaccessible because of steep terrain.    Exactly the kind of place where BF would gather to avoid man.     The nearest road was about 10 miles away.   Not even sure that is open to travel.     So many roads are blocked off or gated shut.   So to get to this waterfall you would have to get as near as you could via road, and bush whack through ten miles of dense forest.     I could see no ground down through the trees so it is dense.   I would guess it would take two days of travel to get from the nearest road to the waterfall.      It is exactly that sort of place where BF would congregate in any numbers if they do gather in tribes.    The last 5 miles would require special skills.    Stealth, quiet movement, and patience to get close and observe without being seen.  

 

While use of a helicopter would sure make forest OPs easier,   fixed wing aircraft could be used for spotting and resupply.     We just need people with the time and skills that can do that sort of thing.   

[dmaker]

 

FarArcher, no disrespect for your skills or service either one, but we have accounts of SF personnel doing double duty as BF trackers and researchers, all they have accomplished is getting their ass escorted out of same areas as a common Joe might trip upon, at night or during daylight.   This has played out over and over again on this forum.   It is truly an ad nauseum event to hear every peep with special skills tell us how a special cut from a special bolt of cloth is what is needed, required and only the most effective option.  Sorry, but it doesn't play with this band. 

 

Have no intention of interfering with you tooting your little horn - whatever kind of band you got.  Not musically inclined on my end.

 

In the first place, I'm not going to "track" anything.  I'm not going to "hunt" anything.  I'm not going to be "seeking" anything.  So much for these supposed SF personnel with researchers.  They obviously don't have a clue as to what they're about.  People are simply not doing their homework.  This isn't about a hunting trip.  You're not going to stalk them.  You're not going to run one down.  You're not going to track one.  You're not going to find them.

 

Comparison of me with SF personnel isn't exactly fair.  I also served in Co. H, 75th Inf Rangers (LRRP), and Co. O, 75th Inf Arctic Rangers.  Also with the 82nd, 101st, and 1st Cav.  You see, SF are primarily teachers - if one wishes to get technical.  In the process of my misspent youth, I picked up four MOS's, one bullet hole and shrapnel. 

 

As far as whatever's played out over and over on this forum, I haven't heard one single thing yet that has ANY commonalities with what I'll do IF I go after one.  Nothing.  Nada.  I seem to have folks telling me why I can't, entirely based on erroneous assumptions.  Some may mistakenly assume I think too much of my skills.  My success will have nothing to do with stalking or hunting skills.  Absolutely - zero.  

 

It's just that I learned a thing or two sharing a mountain with them for a few months.

 

If I go, I'll go to an isolated area and remain for a minimum of three months.  Allowing for four, but a minimum of three.

 

Not three days.  Not three weeks.  Three months.  Further, I'll be spending just under four hundred grand to have Mr. Murphy to sit this one out.  

 

As I've said - I don't hunt them.  I'm not wasting my time.

 

I go, I'll get a good return on my investment.

 

Or I won't go.

 

I don't believe a word of this.

[SWWASAS]

Thanks for your service Bipedalist!    Dmaker what unit's did you serve in to cause you not to believe a word?    

 

Bipedalist brings up a good point.     You can mount an expensive expedition with tons of gear and equipment capable of detecting a BF fart at 200 yards but if you insert into a area where there are none to be found it is waste of time and money.   The active areas have to be found first.   

Edited March 20, 2016 by SWWASASQUATCHPROJECT

[FarArcher]

 

 

FarArcher, no disrespect for your skills or service either one, but we have accounts of SF personnel doing double duty as BF trackers and researchers, all they have accomplished is getting their ass escorted out of same areas as a common Joe might trip upon, at night or during daylight.   This has played out over and over again on this forum.   It is truly an ad nauseum event to hear every peep with special skills tell us how a special cut from a special bolt of cloth is what is needed, required and only the most effective option.  Sorry, but it doesn't play with this band. 

 

Have no intention of interfering with you tooting your little horn - whatever kind of band you got.  Not musically inclined on my end.

 

In the first place, I'm not going to "track" anything.  I'm not going to "hunt" anything.  I'm not going to be "seeking" anything.  So much for these supposed SF personnel with researchers.  They obviously don't have a clue as to what they're about.  People are simply not doing their homework.  This isn't about a hunting trip.  You're not going to stalk them.  You're not going to run one down.  You're not going to track one.  You're not going to find them.

 

Comparison of me with SF personnel isn't exactly fair.  I also served in Co. H, 75th Inf Rangers (LRRP), and Co. O, 75th Inf Arctic Rangers.  Also with the 82nd, 101st, and 1st Cav.  You see, SF are primarily teachers - if one wishes to get technical.  In the process of my misspent youth, I picked up four MOS's, one bullet hole and shrapnel. 

 

As far as whatever's played out over and over on this forum, I haven't heard one single thing yet that has ANY commonalities with what I'll do IF I go after one.  Nothing.  Nada.  I seem to have folks telling me why I can't, entirely based on erroneous assumptions.  Some may mistakenly assume I think too much of my skills.  My success will have nothing to do with stalking or hunting skills.  Absolutely - zero.  

 

It's just that I learned a thing or two sharing a mountain with them for a few months.

 

If I go, I'll go to an isolated area and remain for a minimum of three months.  Allowing for four, but a minimum of three.

 

Not three days.  Not three weeks.  Three months.  Further, I'll be spending just under four hundred grand to have Mr. Murphy to sit this one out.  

 

As I've said - I don't hunt them.  I'm not wasting my time.

 

I go, I'll get a good return on my investment.

 

Or I won't go.

 

I don't believe a word of this.

 

 

That doesn't surprise me in the least.

 

It's not what you don't know that makes you lacking.  It's what you know that isn't true that makes you lacking.

Edited March 20, 2016 by FarArcher

[Terry]

 

We may not know for awhile until retired Forest Service wildlife biologist come forward. Do you know of any?

 

I do but in Ontario.  I know probably 6 at least and all have worked in wilderness country and all with me.  Every one would first of all laugh at the subject and when pressed would tell you there is no such thing as bf.

 

t.

[Terry]

^  I believe I misread your question gerorgerm.  I took it as does anyone know any retired bios?  I think you were asking if anyone know of any retired biologists who have come forward about bf?  Sorry.

 

t.

[Guest Cryptic Megafauna]

If you want to find one Patterson Gimlin seemed to have and approach that worked.

Spend nine years getting to know your subject better and better.

Be camera ready at all times, use pack animals to get up country to areas of recent sightings, especially footprints.

Perhaps an area with recent logging where the entities have begun to move but not completely vacated the area yet.

Probably looking of Bigfoot with almost no experience of man and a family group slowed down by a child.

Pick a nice fall day and have a happy accident.

[Guest Crowlogic]

^^^ Those photos were on a private website and were later removed when said site was hacked.

Yeah the website always gets hacked, the lab always looses the samples, the batteries always die, the film always runs out, the memory card always get full, the researcher always gets thrown off of the research area, the dog always eats the homework.  Bigfootism normal MO.

[SWWASAS]

^^^Most of the things you describe are not strange happenings but human error.      Computers are not loaded with appropriate internet security software,   labs hire humans and they make mistakes,  cheap batteries are made in China and pretty much junk now,   film is not used any more,   full memory cards are the results of lazy people not changing them or not  deleting pictures after they are downloaded,    blunder into a Weyerhaouser private forest land and you get thrown out,  dogs eat most anything humans let them get into.        All of this is human error and to be expected from a group of people who are operating way outside their day jobs and education levels.    So what is the big surprise about this?       Of course the truly enlightened skeptics never make such mistakes because they always have the security of being able to arm chair quarterback because they never play the field work game real time.   

Edited March 21, 2016 by SWWASASQUATCHPROJECT

[Yuchi1]

 

^^^ Those photos were on a private website and were later removed when said site was hacked.

Yeah the website always gets hacked, the lab always looses the samples, the batteries always die, the film always runs out, the memory card always get full, the researcher always gets thrown off of the research area, the dog always eats the homework.  Bigfootism normal MO.

 

 

As you've resorted to calling people liars, IMO, your relevance on this forum just went through the crapper.  Have a nice life.

[FarArcher]

Yuchi.  You know.  I know.  Others KNOW.

 

Not guess.  Know.

 

These so-called skeptics down deep are pretty sure.

 

That's why they live here.  No other reason.

[georgerm]

 

Yuchi, seems like we will always have skeptics until bigfoot is captured or brought in life less. Skeptics need a good close encounter.

 

Let's get back on track and discuss how bigfoot science can be rejuvenated. As technology improves, we should be able to capture BF on video more often. Presently, it's stated that BFs can hear trail cameras. In the future, we might have silent trail cameras as small as a dime with a lense. These cameras could be programmed to video a particular body type then turn off. Scanning hours of video will be a thing of the past. The camera will hold the video then beam it to a satellite. Bigfoot can be left in peace but studied by those that need to know.

 

When night vision and thermal imaging cameras become better and cheaper, then researchers will bring in the goods. Research grants will equip researchers will everything they need to hike in to remote areas and camp out for weeks on end. As more evidence is produced then more and higher grants can be expected of $50k and on up. If you have a  good research team with qualified primatologists then grants can be expected.

 

[Guest Crowlogic]

 

 

^^^ Those photos were on a private website and were later removed when said site was hacked.

Yeah the website always gets hacked, the lab always looses the samples, the batteries always die, the film always runs out, the memory card always get full, the researcher always gets thrown off of the research area, the dog always eats the homework.  Bigfootism normal MO.

 

 

As you've resorted to calling people liars, IMO, your relevance on this forum just went through the crapper.  Have a nice life.

 

Who did I call a liar?  Specifically by name who?  I passed an accurate comment based on the legions of the things I mentioned that have failed to manifest in good evidence.  You haven't been at this from day one have you?  I have.

[Yuchi1]

^^^ I happen to know the site was hacked and by whom (a BFF member) and your female canine carping is just white noise in the BF circus tent, with no relevance and no value as by speaking from the orifice south of your equator produces a sterile product.  IMO, your comments reflect an attitude that is merely the chaff of this field and will never germinate anything positive or productive.