norseman Posted May 26, 2011 Admin Share Posted May 26, 2011 Prag, I respect you, but I'm simply not where you are in all this. Yes, I've seen a track way in deep snow I cannot explain. But I'm not even 100% positive they exist, until I personally see one, or you show me a body of one? I'm always going to have that doubt. And same goes for what it is, you seem sure it's a human, well....obviously that comes from you observations. Since I have no observations under my belt? I'll have to stick with the reported behavior of the animal and it definitely points towards animal IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 (edited) Not going to get into an argument with you about this because I have seen the species and I know what they are by what I saw and observed. I've seen human tracks fossilized with dinosaur tracks with my own eyes. Isn't the above from the Paluxy DINOSAUR (ie not human) tracks? Edited May 26, 2011 by John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Silver Fox Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I would wish this long before shooting one as well. But I wouldn't pass up a once in a lifetime opportunity if nothing had turned up. They do get killed by cars on the road. Soon after, authorities come, block off the whole scene, and a black government van comes with uniformed US troops who take the body away, never to be seen again. If you go to the site and see a park ranger or a cop there and ask them what's going on, they won't give you any information because they don't want to get fired. The road-killed BF's all get hauled away by the state! This is a real problem. How can we possibly prevent this in the future? Anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted May 26, 2011 Admin Share Posted May 26, 2011 Isn't the above from the Paluxy DINOSAUR (ie not human) tracks? You watch Stargate don't you? They went through the gate, lost their shoes, and encountered dinosaurs........ Simple! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I think we respect each other equally Norse. There is a bit of an edge between us, but I think we both know our way around it. Its okay for us to not be on the same page too. We're on different paths as well, but we do have similar interests and outdoor experience. Right Now, your page has a single ( or several) foot prints on it. Mine has prints, more then one face to face, being scared to death, interacting with them, being howled & whistled at lol, talking to one, and much more. Maybe more of your pages will fill up, guess it all depends on what you want from it. But truly if your intent remains to kill one, you may only have the single page forever. Thing is, its more wondrous to experience them without wanting to shoot them, then it is to want to shoot one and never having experienced seeing them. It will take a deep contemplation to get there. Remember, 30 years ago I was intent on shooting one to prove they exist. Five of us for a week long expedition that I was forced to abandon for reasons people won't believe so it makes no sense sharing. I've been in your shoes Norse but was taught a lesson that has brought me those wondrous experiences I eventually did have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Isn't the above from the Paluxy DINOSAUR (ie not human) tracks? The picture below show the Paluxy Rivers Tracks you are talking about: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Yes thank you, I'm well aware of what they are and what some of them were theorized to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Po Commander Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 (edited) They do get killed by cars on the road. Soon after, authorities come, block off the whole scene, and a black government van comes with uniformed US troops who take the body away, never to be seen again. If you go to the site and see a park ranger or a cop there and ask them what's going on, they won't give you any information because they don't want to get fired. The road-killed BF's all get hauled away by the state! This is a real problem. How can we possibly prevent this in the future? Anyone? What?! I seriously hope this is a joke... Now why exactly would the government want to hide the existence of a new species? What would they gain from that? It just makes no sense whatsoever. Also, this has probably been asked already, but if there are multiple accounts of bigfoot/bigfeet (what ever the plural for bigfoot is) being shot and killed, why is it that there is not a single body accounted for? What are these hunters doing with these bodies? Eating them and grinding their bones down for bread so they'll never be found again? It just doesn't make any sense. Edited May 26, 2011 by Po Commander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Silver Fox Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 What?! I seriously hope this is a joke... Now why exactly would the government want to hide the existence of a new species? What would they gain from that? It just makes no sense whatsoever. Also, this has probably been asked already, but if there are multiple accounts of bigfoot/bigfeet (what ever the plural for bigfoot is) being shot and killed, why is it that there is not a single body accounted for? What are these hunters doing with these bodies? Eating them and grinding their bones down for bread so they'll never be found again? It just doesn't make any sense. No one knows why the government is covering it up. The MIB's who came to talk to an Oregon women with sightings, told her to be quiet, and stayed in town 6 months, said, "People will panic," so it looks like the government does not want people to panic. Edwards AF Base has had BF's on the base for decades now. Several guards who worked there all told us that the brass knew all about them, but they were all under orders not to talk about it. The brass did not want it getting out about the BF's because then they would have to deal with BF hunters invading the perimeter of the base, and also the public would think that they could not secure the perimeter of the base. BF is not just a new species. It's an existing relict hominid! What the hell are you going to do with it? It rewrites all of our traditions and laws about humans and animals. Humans are thought to have responsibility and animals are not. You would need a whole new set of laws to deal with BF's. What if people tried to reproduce with one? Would it be legal? Marry one? What about land use decisions, endangered species act, etc.? What do you do about BF's preying on livestock? Most of the shooting reports are pre-Patterson film. People just buried the body or left it there. In one case, they drove it around town to see if anyone could figure out what it was. No one could. Two thought they had killed a deformed human, so they left it there and then never told anyone. Another group feared they would be arrested for homicide, so they buried it. Other times, the bodies were taken away by the government. In some cases, the BF's were killed by the government and the bodies vanished. In one case, a kid left the BF out there because he thought he killed a man. Plus he was hunting out of season. Another time, a man thought he killed a "hairy man," (human being) and buried it. He only confessed on his death bed. The Minnesota Iceman was a BF shot and killed in Minnesota. He quickly hid the body and replaced it with a plastic replica because he thought he would be arrested on homicide charges. On and on, lots of reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted May 26, 2011 Admin Share Posted May 26, 2011 I think we respect each other equally Norse. There is a bit of an edge between us, but I think we both know our way around it. Its okay for us to not be on the same page too. We're on different paths as well, but we do have similar interests and outdoor experience. Right Now, your page has a single ( or several) foot prints on it. Mine has prints, more then one face to face, being scared to death, interacting with them, being howled & whistled at lol, talking to one, and much more. Maybe more of your pages will fill up, guess it all depends on what you want from it. But truly if your intent remains to kill one, you may only have the single page forever. Thing is, its more wondrous to experience them without wanting to shoot them, then it is to want to shoot one and never having experienced seeing them. It will take a deep contemplation to get there. Remember, 30 years ago I was intent on shooting one to prove they exist. Five of us for a week long expedition that I was forced to abandon for reasons people won't believe so it makes no sense sharing. I've been in your shoes Norse but was taught a lesson that has brought me those wondrous experiences I eventually did have. OK, so I lay down the rifle, get on the trail with you and only think happy thoughts. How long til I see one? I mean do you have them basically named in there, or what? And what about ape canyon and Albert Ostman and other supposed stories of them either being shot or shot at? Does it seem logical if they have a built in happy thoughts sensor, that some times it doesn't work? I mean the one at ape canyon? EPIC FAIL. He was blasted off of a cliff and did a swan dive into the canyon below. His happy thoughts sensor was in serious recall....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 OK, so I lay down the rifle, get on the trail with you and only think happy thoughts. How long til I see one? I mean do you have them basically named in there, or what? LOL, remember this as well. Since I saw my first one 34 yrs ago, I've seen 3 more. That's average one every 8 years Norse, so we're gonna need a whole lotta trail time till the next one. lol Wish I could see one when I wanted but I haven't reached that level either. Although I did name the one at my feed station. Tongtok (tongue talk) because I recorded him doing some tongue clucking. He didn't like it when I tried the hidden camera tho and interactions dropped off. And what about ape canyon and Albert Ostman and other supposed stories of them either being shot or shot at? Does it seem logical if they have a built in happy thoughts sensor, that some times it doesn't work? I mean the one at ape canyon? EPIC FAIL. He was blasted off of a cliff and did a swan dive into the canyon below. His happy thoughts sensor was in serious recall....... Well Ostman never actually shot into one as I recall, only at the rocks over her head. Ape Canyon, there is more to that story too that consists of strange stuff, and again, where is the body? Didn't they go back up there with the sheriff to look? Don't get me wrong either Norse, I don't take chances when I'm out there. I carry as big a load as I can in my 44 Redhawk, but yes, that's defensive only. But that's something they don't seem to mind so much either cause I'm not out there trying to harm one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 They do get killed by cars on the road. Soon after, authorities come, block off the whole scene, and a black government van comes with uniformed US troops who take the body away, never to be seen again. If you go to the site and see a park ranger or a cop there and ask them what's going on, they won't give you any information because they don't want to get fired. The road-killed BF's all get hauled away by the state! This is a real problem. How can we possibly prevent this in the future? Anyone? This is nonsense...story's are just story's, but you seem to take them all as bible. It's just so convenient to say this stuff. Non-believer: "Where are the bodies?" Believer:" Theie have been a ton of bodies, but the scary Men In Black come and take them away...case closed so stop asking me stupid questions." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Silver Fox Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 This is nonsense...story's are just story's, but you seem to take them all as bible. It's just so convenient to say this stuff. Well, after 1968, we start getting coverup reports. Before that, we get none. There have been a number of coverup reports since 1968 and I believe in that totality of them in that the reports in toto (not necessarily each and every one) constitute a coverup, yes. We have police officers who have told us this stuff. One came to the scene of a road-killed BF, then state police came, closed off site, then National Guard, then uniformed military in a black van. Why have we heard so many coverup reports after 1968 and none previous? Well, none of that caliber anyway. Anyway, we had plenty of bodies before the coverups. Just people buried them or left them in the woods. The coverups only started after the P-G film, when maybe the state acknowledged their existence or a lot of people started to believe in them. Before that, most people had no idea of what they were. Keep in mind that we also have 5 separate stories of sentries on Edwards AFB who told us that the brass knew about BF's but were covering it up. One guy told us, we were not sure of his story, so we contacted four me, and they all agreed with the first guy's story in toto. Guards were told to only "observe" the BF's. The brass was not that worried about the BF's. They just thought they were some kind of undiscovered animal. They were a lot more worried about the UFO's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 (edited) Looking round the last few topics and certain posts it seems to me that either chains are being collectively yanked wholesale or there is some amazing gullibility being displayed to stoke and perpetuate certain belief systems in the face of more reasonable possibilities. ETA - Nazca Lines, Paluxy Tracks, Men In Black & associated conspiricies...... Edited May 27, 2011 by John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 27, 2011 Share Posted May 27, 2011 What?! I seriously hope this is a joke... Now why exactly would the government want to hide the existence of a new species? What would they gain from that? It just makes no sense whatsoever. Also, this has probably been asked already, but if there are multiple accounts of bigfoot/bigfeet (what ever the plural for bigfoot is) being shot and killed, why is it that there is not a single body accounted for? What are these hunters doing with these bodies? Eating them and grinding their bones down for bread so they'll never be found again? It just doesn't make any sense. Think about a theory I'm forming: What if BF is a lost tribe of Native Americans, meaning they are people! It would make perfect sense that the government wouldn't want to confirm their existence. It would open a can of worms that I don't believe they want opened. Also, as someone said, BF are wild while we are domesticated. Do you think BF, being people, would recognize a perceived authority by our government? My thoughts are no. So what is the government to do with BF, send commandos into the wilderness to kill them all if they don't pledge their allegiance to our flag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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