Huntster Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 52 minutes ago, norseman said: ........Either we figure out how to spread out and live amongst the stars? Or we will share the same fate as the dinosaurs. Its simple and just a matter of time.........And we have already put men on the moon. And have spent a year in Earth’s low orbit on a space station. The mere thought of living inside a bubble on a planet of rock many times colder than an Alaskan winter is enough to shoot myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSA Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Norseman...that is the narrative, isn't it? Does it have any basis in fact or probability? No. Our going to the dead rock of our nearest satellite to bounce around, leave a bunch of trash and beat it back to earth was done with the rocketry equivalent of a T model Ford. We haven't progressed much from there either. I just love all the interstellar narratives that tend to, shall we say, gloss over the sticky issue of our lifespans being short, interstellar space being huuuuge, and propulsion to span that gap being unknown and probably impossible. Other than that? Sure, be heading out any day now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted September 26, 2018 Admin Share Posted September 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Huntster said: The mere thought of living inside a bubble on a planet of rock many times colder than an Alaskan winter is enough to shoot myself. Nah! Your 6x6 is parked outside and we are gonna go see Valles Marineris (deepest canyon in solar system) right after lunch. We will do alittle gold prospecting on the way back in this old dry wash I know.... Tommorow we can work on the green house evaporators! Always something to do! Besides, if your born on Mars? Its all you have ever known. Its just life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catmandoo Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 10 minutes ago, WSA said: Catmandoo....I think you meant to say hydrogen is the small/smaller atom. Yes, that embargo was behind their decision. But it would be like me deciding to fuel up my Hyundai with nitro because the station had no 87 octane for sale. Still a nuts-o decision. What most people don't realize is there were, like, a dozen zeppelin crash/burns before the Hindenberg immolated over Lakehurst. It was not as if that should have been a surprise to anyone. We as a society get fixated on some technological goal, and all of our reason goes out the window. Pathological Technology is the term coined to describe it. Our Mars Mission fixation is one of the latest. I was on the right side of the periodic chart on that one and missed. Both are impossible to contain. We had hot air balloons before and after. Still have hot air balloons and a surplus of hot air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted September 26, 2018 Admin Share Posted September 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, WSA said: Norseman...that is the narrative, isn't it? Does it have any basis in fact or probability? No. Our going to the dead rock of our nearest satellite to bounce around, leave a bunch of trash and beat it back to earth was done with the rocketry equivalent of a T model Ford. We haven't progressed much from there either. I just love all the interstellar narratives that tend to, shall we say, gloss over the sticky issue of our lifespans being short, interstellar space being huuuuge, and propulsion to span that gap being unknown and probably impossible. Other than that? Sure, be heading out any day now. Well.....we are alot ALOT closer to landing on Mars than the dinosaurs were. So I guess that in and of itself gives us hope. LOL. Maybe in the next cosmic pinball match, humans may watch it go down from afar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIB Posted September 26, 2018 Moderator Share Posted September 26, 2018 2 hours ago, NatFoot said: Edited to add--you guys understand that no one cares about this stuff but "us" and most find it laughable. This starts out seemingly true on the surface but at least in my region, there's more interest than that suggests. A lot of people start out laughing but I suspect serious closet interest because when someone, often me, stands up as a proponent, the laughing stops and serious questions arise. I don't BS people. I'm just cocky and arrogant enough to not be threatened by admitting what I don't know, listing my doubts, telling what is weak about the evidence as well as what is strong. At least regionally, people DO care, they're just afraid of being shamed if they admit it. Break the ice. Be the lightning rod. Stings a little if you let it but you can learn a lot if you're willing. MIB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntster Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 26 minutes ago, norseman said: Nah! Your 6x6 is parked outside and we are gonna go see Valles Marineris (deepest canyon in solar system) right after lunch. We will do alittle gold prospecting on the way back in this old dry wash I know...... LOL.......okay, I like adventure. I’ll shoot myself later........ ........ Besides, if your born on Mars? Its all you have ever known. Its just life. Seems like a lot of folks act like they were born on Mars. I wish they’d go back and leave Earth to the sane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatFoot Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Rockape said: Aren't you this Nathan? If not, I apologize, if you are, I've always called you Nate, sorry if you don't like it. Nope, not me. But I have lived in Michigan before! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted September 26, 2018 Admin Share Posted September 26, 2018 Thats Nathan footer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiiawiwb Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 I assumed they were one in the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockape Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Huntster said: Drag a real sasquatch carcass into a surprise press briefing, and then watch Big Science fall all over themselves in a race to catch a herd of them alive. Usually crying to government for money and milking the “donate here” buttons on warm, fuzzy environmental websites full of pics of cute, big eyed seal pups, the science whores will find sasquatch hunting money galore under their pillows. They’ll forget all about their silly Martian microbes. I agree but until then it's going to take the folks who are doing the research now and that's very few in the scientific or academia fields. 1 hour ago, NatFoot said: Nope, not me. But I have lived in Michigan before! Oops, sorry, not sure why I thought you were that Nathan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twist Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 7 hours ago, norseman said: Talking strictly technology? Either we figure out how to spread out and live amongst the stars? Or we will share the same fate as the dinosaurs. Its simple and just a matter of time. It will not be easy. But neither was Magellan’s voyage or building the Pyramids or eeking out an existence in ice age Europe. Humans conquer obstacles thats what we do. And we have already put men on the moon. And have spent a year in Earth’s low orbit on a space station. ^^ This right here. Either we figure out how to leave this planet, or we are doomed to this planets fate. Saying we shouldn't go to Mars is ignorant. We need to learn to crawl before we walk. We are not going to Mars to live, we are going to Mars to learn how to traverse space and advance. Imagine if primitive man did not test their rafts/boats to go to the next nearest land mass because said land mass had nothing for them...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatFoot Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, Twist said: ^^ This right here. Either we figure out how to leave this planet, or we are doomed to this planets fate. Saying we shouldn't go to Mars is ignorant. We need to learn to crawl before we walk. We are not going to Mars to live, we are going to Mars to learn how to traverse space and advance. Imagine if primitive man did not test their rafts/boats to go to the next nearest land mass because said land mass had nothing for them...... Blasphemer!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twist Posted September 27, 2018 Share Posted September 27, 2018 7 hours ago, WSA said: Norseman...that is the narrative, isn't it? Does it have any basis in fact or probability? No. Our going to the dead rock of our nearest satellite to bounce around, leave a bunch of trash and beat it back to earth was done with the rocketry equivalent of a T model Ford. We haven't progressed much from there either. I just love all the interstellar narratives that tend to, shall we say, gloss over the sticky issue of our lifespans being short, interstellar space being huuuuge, and propulsion to span that gap being unknown and probably impossible. Other than that? Sure, be heading out any day now. The advancements man have made in the last 200 years is amazing. What we have done in the last 50-60 years is is more amazing in scale. We are launching rockets and landing them back on earth, reusable. In 50 years. We have more technology in your phone than we sent men to the moon with 50 years ago.... To imply that is not forward progress is a very myopic view, imo opinion of course. No offense meant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIB Posted September 27, 2018 Moderator Share Posted September 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, Twist said: ^^ This right here. Either we figure out how to leave this planet, or we are doomed to this planets fate. ... at the very latest assuming disease, pollution, or war don't wipe us out first. 8 minutes ago, Twist said: Saying we shouldn't go to Mars is ignorant. We need to learn to crawl before we walk. We are not going to Mars to live, we are going to Mars to learn how to traverse space and advance. There are other advantages as well. Access to rare minerals not found on the earth's surface and too expensive to mine deep enough to reach may be available in the asteroid belt. Development and advancement of solar energy technologies to facilitate mining / resource extraction. Being able to manufacture without polluting the oceans and the air. Lot of things we can learn out there, a lot of things we can do out there without crapping in our nest here. Eventually, once we get the techniques down, we definitely need to move on to planets around other stars. If it is not worth saving our species in the future, it's not worth saving it today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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