Guest Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Harry, You've just said exactly what I've been thinking. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BFSleuth Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 bears are thriving (many coastal don't even go into dormancy because of resource abundance) and they don't even predate on the abundant ungulate population (adult deer too fast)...sticking with a predominant herbivorous & insect diet mixed in with a little opportunistic scavenging. Bears rarely predate on adult ungulates (too fast as you noted), they instead concentrate on newborns during calving season. Bears will steal adult ungulate kills from wolves or other predators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Harry, There was never verification that either Sasquatch was killed.. After the big one was shot it ran out of sight but he thought he heard it go down in the brush. As a matter of fact he was pretty darn sure he heard it go down. On that day he never went to the spot he heard it crash. As the events unfolded he became very freaked out and did not stick around. When the smaller one was shot it seemed obvious to him that it was dead because it rolled right down to his position. I do not believe any test were done to verify though. The flesh sample was gathered a couple weeks later after digging in much snow. He went to where he thought the bigger one went down and started searching. After several hours of digging in the snow the flesh sample was found. It was not cut off a body, it was found by itself. I believe that either it was a torn piece of flesh from the gun shot or it could have been a piece of hide that was clawed or bit off from a predator working on the remains. At any rate it was the exact same color as the big one. And No, we have not seen the bodies because no bodys have been found. We do have pictures of the sample but it's not up to me to show them. Harry I understand your curiosity because like you, I'm a researcher too and I'd be just as curious as you. In this thread I will answer what I can as long as people ask reasonable questions. I can't change these events, and I honestly wish this had never happened, but what's done is done. Now at least we can hopefully learn from them, and try to see that laws are put in place so it never happens again. DR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Thank you very much Derek. I really mean that - and I hope this all works out for the best, and that in the long run, this incident actually has a positive effect for the Sasquatch. Again - you are a true gentleman, and we are lucky to have you in this field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 "I've been drunk a thousand times". Now I love a drink but I haven't kept score - nor has anyone else I know. Common phrase: "If I've said it once I've said it a million times..." The bloke's shot a lot of bears folks - let it go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 (edited) Post #190 should explain. Thank you. I appreciate your assistance. I read it and that helped a lot.. Edited June 29, 2011 by SweetSusiq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 ........thanks for the replies. Maybe the someone can post a google earth map showing where the incident occured. From there, local Bigfooters can then go search the area well. There is a chance that within a mile of the incident, a body may exist with a complete skeleton. What do you think? While it is worth a try, after this much time, it is very unlikely that anyone will find anything other than by accident. Predators and scavengers make quick work of carcasses in the woods, even large ones, and they disappear very rapidly. I have intentionally placed a deer carcass (minus the prime cuts, of course) in a specific location in the woods, and could find no trace of it 2 weeks later. I was trying to get a bear acclimated to an area, btw. I was not wasting good meat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest billgreen2010 Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 hey admins everyone wow this ongoing bigfoot situation is getting better & better everyday to be continued indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 "I've been drunk a thousand times". Now I love a drink but I haven't kept score - nor has anyone else I know. Common phrase: "If I've said it once I've said it a million times..." The bloke's shot a lot of bears folks - let it go! Yikes tucky, I did and have let it go,I was just surprised at the number; why are you so upset? I understand colloquies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgerm Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 (edited) Thanks for the info Derekfoot. Just a few comments to help piece this story together. Harry, There was never verification that either Sasquatch was killed.. After the big one was shot it ran out of sight but he thought he heard it go down in the brush. As a matter of fact he was pretty darn sure he heard it go down. On that day he never went to the spot he heard it crash. As the events unfolded he became very freaked out and did not stick around. Bear hunters are used to mean wounded animals, and this is why they carry big game rifles that stop charging bears. This fellow sounds like a novice hunter. Someone claimed he was using a 25-06 which is not a bear gun since the lead slug of 120 grains is too light. 180 grain slug or more is correct. However bullet types and weights are loaded that allow the .25-06 to be used for taking game ranging from small animals like prairie dogs and coyotes to heavier elk. These bullets range from lightly constructed 75-grain bullets with muzzle velocities in the 3,700 ft/s (1,130 m/s) range to heavily made 120-grain bullets with muzzle velocities in the 3,000ft/s (915 m/s) range. When the smaller one was shot it seemed obvious to him that it was dead because it rolled right down to his position. I do not believe any test were done to verify though. Seems like most hunters would throw the body in the pick up and take off. This story seems unlikely. The flesh sample was gathered a couple weeks later after digging in much snow. He went to where he thought the bigger one went down and started searching. After several hours of digging in the snow the flesh sample was found. It was not cut off a body, it was found by itself. I believe that either it was a torn piece of flesh from the gun shot or it could have been a piece of hide that was clawed or bit off from a predator working on the remains. At any rate it was the exact same color as the big one. And No, we have not seen the bodies because no bodys have been found. We do have pictures of the sample but it's not up to me to show them. Who cares........why not? Harry I understand your curiosity because like you, I'm a researcher too and I'd be just as curious as you. In this thread I will answer what I can as long as people ask reasonable questions. I can't change these events, and I honestly wish this had never happened, but what's done is done. Now at least we can hopefully learn from them, and try to see that laws are put in place so it never happens again. DR Can someone post google earth pictures of where this happened? When did this happen? Edited June 29, 2011 by georgerm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Silver Fox Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Harry, There was never verification that either Sasquatch was killed.. After the big one was shot it ran out of sight but he thought he heard it go down in the brush. As a matter of fact he was pretty darn sure he heard it go down. On that day he never went to the spot he heard it crash. As the events unfolded he became very freaked out and did not stick around. When the smaller one was shot it seemed obvious to him that it was dead because it rolled right down to his position. I do not believe any test were done to verify though. The flesh sample was gathered a couple weeks later after digging in much snow. He went to where he thought the bigger one went down and started searching. After several hours of digging in the snow the flesh sample was found. It was not cut off a body, it was found by itself. I believe that either it was a torn piece of flesh from the gun shot or it could have been a piece of hide that was clawed or bit off from a predator working on the remains. At any rate it was the exact same color as the big one. And No, we have not seen the bodies because no bodys have been found. We do have pictures of the sample but it's not up to me to show them. Harry I understand your curiosity because like you, I'm a researcher too and I'd be just as curious as you. In this thread I will answer what I can as long as people ask reasonable questions. I can't change these events, and I honestly wish this had never happened, but what's done is done. Now at least we can hopefully learn from them, and try to see that laws are put in place so it never happens again. DR Thank you for this explanation, Derek. It answers a lot of questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 (edited) Thanks for the info Derekfoot. Just a few comments to help piece this story together. Can someone post google earth pictures of where this happened? When did this happen? If I may comment in reply to yours, and of course if Derek has anything to add I am sure he will speak for himself. "georgerm -Bear hunters are used to mean wounded animals, and this is why they carry big game rifles that stop charging bears. This fellow sounds like a novice hunter. Someone claimed he was using a 25-06 which is not a bear gun since the lead slug of 120 grains is too light. 180 grain slug or more is correct." Yes, light, but that does not make it less likely that he happened to be holding that weapon at the moment that the incident happened, or his story less believable, or that he is a novice. "georgerm - Seems like most hunters would throw the body in the pick up and take off. This story seems unlikely." What one feels most would do does not translate to what one particular person actually did in a given situation. Fear, confusion adrenaline, etc, change what seems like a likely response to a situation. "georgerm - Who cares........why not?." NDA I see no inconsistencies, holes or do I otherwise doubt what Derek has said. I believe that he has told the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Edited June 29, 2011 by Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 georgerm, I do not believe Derek said that the bear hunter was using a 25-06. I am pretty sure that is what Ken Walker, aka "BH" in the interview said, when he said the guy was poaching on a refuge on the NV/CA border & the BF was stuck in a road and was waving at the hunter to get him to move out of the way (yeah right). No real bear hunter would use anything less than a heavy bullet (180 gr+) for bear, except me....I use 100 gr Muzzys on the end of a 30" shaft! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Silver Fox Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 Thanks for the info Derekfoot. Just a few comments to help piece this story together. Can someone post google earth pictures of where this happened? When did this happen? November 2010. Google Earth won't work on my system here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 (edited) November 2010. Google Earth won't work on my system here. Do you have latitude & longitude? I can pull it up, but like I said in any earlier post, I am not optimistic about an physical evidence of a carcass remaining after this long. Edited for spelling Edited June 29, 2011 by Surveyor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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