Guest tracker Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 (edited) Okay can someone post the latest show on you tube so i can join in and ridicule it too? I feel left out. I just watched the Florida one, nice header off the deck Bobo , good skills you got there. Both thermal encounter endings were neatly cut off. What's up with that? Those are the money shots? Are they saving them for a final show recap or something? Exposure is good. These shows promote the topic to a bigger and bigger audience each time. So even if it's crap, it's still good crap with lots of chunks of info. What? JMO tracker, Edited June 13, 2011 by tracker
Guest Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 (edited) Can anyone tell me what the second 'beast' walking right to left above MATT MONEYMAKER'S head is? Why no mention of it in the episode? Could it have been BOBO and RENE? perhaps that is why they were so worried about Matt charging off like that. were they the ones Matt had on NV? http://animal.discov...t-at-night.html Go to the 27 second mark, and check out the second beast over the head of Matt Moneymaker. You may have stumbled onto something Drew, at least to inspect further. It's not Bobo or Rene. How could it be, they are the ones complaining. PLUS they have a camera person or two with them as well. Remember there were other people present. Besides, what everyone needs to realize is that with the large crew that they had with them, there is NO WAY a Sasquatch would come anywhere near them. We're talking an 8 person crew. Just about everything we see is recreated. However to add, what we are seeing in that clip prob isn't the alleged actual footage of the Sas either. The question is, what do they show in the actual episode? What frustrates me is that I see some people around me who don't know any better that have come to see this kind of thing as being what bigfooting is all about. Really sad if you ask me. Edited June 13, 2011 by PragmaticTheorist
Drew Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 He was chasing a person, someone checking out the production. He also mentions that the footage on the show, was substituted for what he was actually looking at. http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bf-uhwarrie/ BTW, the thing I ran after up the hill was a human — someone who was sneaking around us in the woods trying to watch the production in progress. I said so repeatedly and vehemently at the time, for the cameras, but they edited out all of that in order to make it seem unclear what I was chasing after.I was the only one who got a good look at it through a thermal. It was quite clear that it was person wearing clothes and struggling to flank the hillside. The video they showed was substituted in (as they typically do), and wasn’t anything like what I saw. The production people did not have my thermal imager plugged into the recorder when that happened, but I don’t think they would have used the footage anyway. It would have clearly showed that I was right about that … but they were trying to make it look as though I was wrong about it.
Guest Thepattywagon Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 So MM can simply lay anything questionable in the broadcast episodes at the feet of the producers and editing crew. Sublime. Meanwhile, their batting average is amazing, isn't it? Apparently, it doesn't matter where he goes to shoot, the Squatch follows him. And could we expect him to come clean if he knew the 'creature' he ran after was a person? It could impact viewership, which could impact the BFRO image, which could impact attendance for his paid outings.
Guest Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 But I'll jump off the "Bash Moneymaker" train to say that I actually agreed with what he did in trying to run after the potential Bigfoot. After all, another video of something off in the distance and then disappearing might not have helped the cause in the way that the rest of the gang seemed to think. I didn't understand what the other three team members proposed as a better alternative to what Matt did. If it was merely to film what you could from where you are, I can understand the desire to try to get more footage by getting closer, even though the odds of success weren't great. Perhaps it was to hope the critter would stick around or come back so more footage could be obtained? If so, I can see how chasing it would not encourage it to stick around. The entire team looked bad by airing their dirty laundry in front of the cameras. Save it for the motel in private. I know reality shows like the tension, but it detracts from the promotion of investigating bigfoot, and there was absolutely nothing to be gained by arguing then and there in the field.
Guest Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 The BFRO now has a new section on their forum to cover questions concerning "Finding Bigfoot". http://s2.excoboard.com/BFRO/164903 And Cliff Barackman has a special section on his website: http://northamericanbigfoot.blogspot.com/
Drew Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 I didn't understand what the other three team members proposed as a better alternative to what Matt did. If it was merely to film what you could from where you are, I can understand the desire to try to get more footage by getting closer, even though the odds of success weren't great. Perhaps it was to hope the critter would stick around or come back so more footage could be obtained? If so, I can see how chasing it would not encourage it to stick around. The entire team looked bad by airing their dirty laundry in front of the cameras. Save it for the motel in private. I know reality shows like the tension, but it detracts from the promotion of investigating bigfoot, and there was absolutely nothing to be gained by arguing then and there in the field. I agree, and believe a true Bigfoot hunter should try and close the gap and try to get better footage. However, my main concern, since I am skeptical that it is a creature, is that my colleague was charging an armed hunter, making his way back from a coyote hunt, or an armed local, stumbling back to his campsite.
Guest Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 Ok, can somebody please explain to me why didn’t the Animal Planet /BFRO show the second Bigfoot in the original Mike Green April 28th, 2009 video, its on the Bigfoot Encounters website? My wife and I where watching last night then asking each other did they edit it out? If so why? Or was this a hoax to begin with, and they all new it was a hoax and they just wanted to showed the one grapping the Zagnut Bar. This video used to be on the front page of BFRO website as well and is no longer their. Anybody knows why its not their?
Guest CaptainMorgan Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 I've only seen one BF on a Mike Greene thermal and the part that is missing was the creature swaying behind the trees. It was edited out for brevity. (i think) Why? Because they can. Since the crew only attempted to recreate the approach to the stump, that's what they went with. (i think) Only Animal Planet determines what is added to their program and only they know why.
Guest VaBigfoot Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 I bought into this line, based on example screen captures posted on the web -- until last night. I couldn't differentiate between Bobo and Greene's purported bigfoot based on what was televised. Bill, are you saying that Greene never bothered to look at the stump after returning to see if his bait had been taken? I would consider that odd. Why put out bait unless you plan to see if it worked? As to the camera battery, I believe he returned after a two-hour absence, because he knew the battery would last only two hours. Mr. Greene stated on the BlogTalk radio show that he did not go back to look for possible evidence (candy wrapper etc..) after returning to the site to gather his gear or after viewing the footage the next day at his home. During last night’s show Mr. Greene said he had something slap the tent and then heard noise down the hill, that’s why he decided to leave the camera there after he left for a while, first time I heard of that. If there was that much action going on that night I would have thought he would have checked to see if the candy bar was gone, but he never did. That’s not scientific research to me. It's my opinion that the footage was a hoax from the get go. Early on, I asked Mr. Greene if he would supply me a copy of the footage so I could conduct my own research on it since I had some questions plus I'm a certified FLIR thermographer and there is evidence in the two hour length film if you know what to look for. I asked for a free copy for study and was told I could purchase the video on line if I wanted to study it. But I wanted the complete two hour version of the video he shot not just the short clip that was for sale on his website. It was at that point that he became confrontational to me because I spelled his last name Green, not Greene. I wrote back and sincerely apologized to him as it was a mistake, I would never do that on purpose. That was the last I heard from him. It was very strange to me that he would be so mad at me when the BFRO had misspelled his name on their front page and it was never changed. Anyway, the reason I asked for his whole 2 hour recoding was I considered it a key piece of evidence to his claims. The two hour footage would back up his claims of being there for the two hours and it would also provide date and time stamp information which would also support his claims when the event took place. I recommended on this forum that he should have someone verify the whole two hour video even it if was someone other than me. That has never been done and I don't think he ever will because in my opinion, I don't think the full two hour video exists because it never took place. Granted some video was shot, but I think the subject in the film is Mr. Greene himself. Cliff Barackman said in last night’s show that the footage was either hoaxed by Mr. Greene or it was a real Sasquatch, to the point Mr. Barackman said, I trust Mr. Greene with my life! I learned a long time ago, never trust anyone with your own life because it will come back to haunt you. All I wanted was to view the two hour long footage to help prove or disprove Mr. Greene's claims, unfortunately he never agreed because I don't think the two hours of film exist, if it does, let’s see it, is that too much to ask? If you calling something a Bigfoot creature in your film, allow the film to be analyzed by others, if you can't do that then don't make the claims. William Dranginis Manassas, VA.
Guest Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 Thanks for the reply. However it still dosen't make sense. If you show them both the viewers would of got more bang for the buck. Strange?
Guest Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 Mr. Greene stated on the BlogTalk radio show that he did not go back to look for possible evidence (candy wrapper etc..) after returning to the site to gather his gear or after viewing the footage the next day at his home. During last night’s show Mr. Greene said he had something slap the tent and then heard noise down the hill, that’s why he decided to leave the camera there after he left for a while, first time I heard of that. If there was that much action going on that night I would have thought he would have checked to see if the candy bar was gone, but he never did. That’s not scientific research to me. It's my opinion that the footage was a hoax from the get go. Early on, I asked Mr. Greene if he would supply me a copy of the footage so I could conduct my own research on it since I had some questions plus I'm a certified FLIR thermographer and there is evidence in the two hour length film if you know what to look for. I asked for a free copy for study and was told I could purchase the video on line if I wanted to study it. But I wanted the complete two hour version of the video he shot not just the short clip that was for sale on his website. It was at that point that he became confrontational to me because I spelled his last name Green, not Greene. I wrote back and sincerely apologized to him as it was a mistake, I would never do that on purpose. That was the last I heard from him. It was very strange to me that he would be so mad at me when the BFRO had misspelled his name on their front page and it was never changed. Anyway, the reason I asked for his whole 2 hour recoding was I considered it a key piece of evidence to his claims. The two hour footage would back up his claims of being there for the two hours and it would also provide date and time stamp information which would also support his claims when the event took place. I recommended on this forum that he should have someone verify the whole two hour video even it if was someone other than me. That has never been done and I don't think he ever will because in my opinion, I don't think the full two hour video exists because it never took place. Granted some video was shot, but I think the subject in the film is Mr. Greene himself. Cliff Barackman said in last night’s show that the footage was either hoaxed by Mr. Greene or it was a real Sasquatch, to the point Mr. Barackman said, I trust Mr. Greene with my life! I learned a long time ago, never trust anyone with your own life because it will come back to haunt you. All I wanted was to view the two hour long footage to help prove or disprove Mr. Greene's claims, unfortunately he never agreed because I don't think the two hours of film exist, if it does, let’s see it, is that too much to ask? If you calling something a Bigfoot creature in your film, allow the film to be analyzed by others, if you can't do that then don't make the claims. William Dranginis Manassas, VA. Very interesting. And i have to agree with your conclusion.
Guest CaptainMorgan Posted June 13, 2011 Posted June 13, 2011 I think a lot of these programs need to keep things moving at a fast pace so that viewers don't get bored. Remember, all forensic scientist on TV have to solve crimes in 30 minutes or less or the next one is FREE. TV viewers have the attention span of a gnat with A.D.D. Animal Planet doesnt want anyone to flip the channel and watch Planet Earth, so they keep the viewers on the edge of their seat with marketing sound bites and Jerry Springer show re enactments. .
bipedalist Posted June 13, 2011 BFF Patron Posted June 13, 2011 Ok, can somebody please explain to me why didn’t the Animal Planet /BFRO show the second Bigfoot in the original Mike Green April 28th, 2009 video, its on the Bigfoot Encounters website? My wife and I where watching last night then asking each other did they edit it out? If so why? Or was this a hoax to begin with, and they all new it was a hoax and they just wanted to showed the one grapping the Zagnut Bar. This video used to be on the front page of BFRO website as well and is no longer their. Anybody knows why its not their? Second Bigfoot, are you sure? This is the first I have heard of such a claim or video?
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