brianmk Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Same here Particle Noun ... it was refreshing to hear her sound upbeat and confident of the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VioletX Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 (edited) Some news from Mr. Smith...... (he's been saying this for quite a while actually() ------------- "Here is the problem she has used the incorrect precursor set in her study how do I know this? We used the very same precursor set and got the same results. We switched to modified precursor set and received reasonable matched results. Now I went right up to the line of what I can talk about, but I have posted on the precursor issue previously. Melba's paper will get published in some obscure sub par Russian journal and her camp will hold it up as the holy grail, never the less, her study is faulty and is a misrepresentation of these animals. The "forest people" cult will scream protection based on unsound science and their epic idiocy. This is a a result of allowing trash in to your process you get garbage out." Ed Smith I don't think anyone responded to this... Edited December 10, 2012 by VioletX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BFSleuth Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 (edited) ^ just as I was typing a response.... Some news from Mr. Smith...... (he's been saying this for quite a while actually() ------------- "Here is the problem she has used the incorrect precursor set in her study how do I know this? We used the very same precursor set and got the same results. We switched to modified precursor set and received reasonable matched results. Now I went right up to the line of what I can talk about, but I have posted on the precursor issue previously. Melba's paper will get published in some obscure sub par Russian journal and her camp will hold it up as the holy grail, never the less, her study is faulty and is a misrepresentation of these animals. The "forest people" cult will scream protection based on unsound science and their epic idiocy. This is a a result of allowing trash in to your process you get garbage out." Ed Smith I wasn't aware that Ed Smith was a leading authority regarding precursors and DNA research. I know that he's a sometimes controversial figure in the field of bigfoot research with some fairly ... uhmmm.... broad claims... about research that he has done but hasn't produced anything for review. Perhaps you have some insight regarding his actual research that you might share with us, or at least give us an idea of why you feel Ed is a leading authority on the topic of precursors and DNA. If I recall correctly Dr. Ketchum had to develop unique precursors in order to complete her research. If that is true I'm wondering how Ed would have access to those precursors. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * New research article: Why Human-Neanderthal Sex is Tricky to Prove Comparisons of black howler monkeys and mantled howler monkeys in Mexico and Guatemala revealed 126 individual hybrids, none of which could be physically distinguished from one or the other group. In other words, while the DNA clearly showed they were hybrids, the physical characteristics didn't radically change. It would be difficult to find hybrid traits in fossil records, and this also points to the idea that hybridization happens more frequently among species than we thought. Edited December 10, 2012 by BFSleuth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VioletX Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Thanks BFSleuth 8 ) It sounds like something that would have been thought of in the early days of the analysis, if it was a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BFSleuth Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I'll just add that my impression of Mr. Smith thus far is to keep a healthy dose of salt handy. Reading through his record of claims over the years there's been plenty of tremendous breakthroughs, including live specimen captures, etc. etc. that for some reason haven't materialized with major press releases or other announcements... other than his forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest poignant Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 If we all just focused on first-hand statements and not comments from RL or ES or whomever, we might actually have a decent conversation going here. Show us the data, otherwise, the only thing we are all reviewing are public statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Does anyone else feel like me in that I think it would be great if Ketchum manages to prove "what" Bigfoot is, but if her interpretation of the data is up for debate, I would be happy if she could at least prove that there is an "unknown primate" living in North America? I could see how the DNA data could be open to interpretation, however, if I'm not mistaken the DNA should be able to prove pretty conclusively that there is something out there that is accounted for, no? Wouldn't that be pretty profound in and of itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 (edited) Listened to *interview*... Nothing new. I find it interesting that she was *invited* to view a BF. Never elaborated on what see saw though. Well folks..at least we know something is (or isn't) going be released before the end of the year. Ya'all know my take. If it gets published in an accepted bonified Journal with proper peer review having taken place, I will humbly eat crow here on the boards. I think the chances of this happening are NIHIL. If it doesn't..I'm sure there will be those that will find some argument relating to *Conspiracy*...Bias...etc etc. Edited December 10, 2012 by ronn1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest slimwitless Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I'll just add that my impression of Mr. Smith thus far is to keep a healthy dose of salt handy. You're being kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Nothing new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BFSleuth Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I think you are correct, NGJon. The terrabytes of information that she says she will make available will likely show something unique. Then it will be open for discussion regarding whether her conclusions reflect the data.... or whether the data can be replicated (which then might beg the question of precursors, etc.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Theagenes Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Isn't that supportive? The popular descriptions of BF sound more like what I'd expect from the unknown hominin than anything modern human. Maybe, except for the hairiness, height, lack of lithic technology and fire use. And the fact that they're in North America. Yeren and almas would fit better perhaps. In other words how do you get from a average 5'10 Heidelberg Man not much hairier than some of guys you see on a Mediterranean beach to 7-8' tall creature covered in hair? Those changes wouldn't have come from mating with a few humans---it would have to be a result of environmental changes. I do have a few ideas as to how that might be possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BFSleuth Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Do we really know how hairy Heidelberg Man, Neanderthal, or Denisovan were? The question does seem to be open. I also think environmental changes (evolution) would need to be taken into account if HM is postulated as the paternal side of bigfoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest slimwitless Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 (edited) Maybe, except for the hairiness, height, lack of lithic technology and fire use. And the fact that they're in North America. Yeren and almas would fit better perhaps. In other words how do you get from a average 5'10 Heidelberg Man not much hairier than some of guys you see on a Mediterranean beach to 7-8' tall creature covered in hair? Those changes wouldn't have come from mating with a few humans---it would have to be a result of environmental changes. I do have a few ideas as to how that might be possible. I didn't think you were referring to a specific 5'10 hominin like Heidelberg Man. I thought you were wondering why any hybrid union with hss wouldn't be more like us. BTW, how do we know how hairy any of these guys were? It's my opinion as an anonymous Internet poster that if there's anything to this phenomenon, it's that this species was pressured into a primative and reclusive lifestyle so as not to meet the same fate as every other hominin that dared to cross our path. Edited December 10, 2012 by slimwitless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I'll just add that my impression of Mr. Smith thus far is to keep a healthy dose of salt handy. Reading through his record of claims over the years there's been plenty of tremendous breakthroughs, including live specimen captures, etc. etc. that for some reason haven't materialized with major press releases or other announcements... other than his forum. I totally agree. I just don't get the guy but he's been saying that about the primers for over 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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