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150 Human Animal Hybrids Grown In Uk Labs

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There is so much we still don't know and are discovering about different genomes. We have sequenced several but we aren't exactly sire how each gene interacts with the others in the genome , why certain things turn off and on or how, etc..... They are just now realizing that some of the "junk" DNA really isn't just junk but has a purpose. We are light years away from creating biologically designed creatures that can survive gestation.

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Even if it did get to gestation would the host mother's body possibly reject the foreign entity? For sure a human could not carry a Bigfoot full term or many other creatures either. Would have to be implanted in gorilla or baboon and would her body not reject the human DNA? Almost for sure offspring would have autoimmune illness from what I understand as foreign bodies are currently thought to be the cause of this. I'm not sure they could pull this off right now since science still struggles in helping women bring implanted embryos to full term and without complication. My concern if it happened is how unfair it is to the person or being they create that they be made into a monster where they will struggle with mobility perhaps and be ostracized by society or worse yet hidden away and tortured in labs.

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It can be done in stages, you would have to create a chimera type organism to carry the embryo. There is some talk of doing that so that we can clone the genetic material of the woolly mammoth and have elephant/mammoth chimera carry the fetus to reduce the risk of rejection.

I am hoping the ethical implications of doing this kind of thing in mixing humans with primates never becomes an issue. I read a fictional novel of a scientist who created a daughter chimera from a human/bonobo. It was a really good story but way ahead of what someone could actually do in a jungle lab on his own, I would think.

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I found the article about Stalin's super warriors. From the article: "He returned to the Soviet Union, only to see experiments in Georgia to use monkey sperm in human volunteers similarly fail." Human volunteers?! Wow, who would volunteers for something like that?

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Stalin's half-man, half-ape super-warriors

Published Date: 20 December 2005 By CHRIS STEPHEN AND ALLAN HALL THE Soviet dictator Josef Stalin ordered the creation of Planet of the Apes-style warriors by crossing humans with apes, according to recently uncovered secret documents. Moscow archives show that in the mid-1920s Russia's top animal breeding scientist, Ilya Ivanov, was ordered to turn his skills from horse and animal work to the quest for a super-warrior.

According to Moscow newspapers, Stalin told the scientist: "I want a new invincible human being, insensitive to pain, resistant and indifferent about the quality of food they eat."

In 1926 the Politburo in Moscow passed the request to the Academy of Science with the order to build a "living war machine". The order came at a time when the Soviet Union was embarked on a crusade to turn the world upside down, with social engineering seen as a partner to industrialisation: new cities, architecture, and a new egalitarian society were being created.

The Soviet authorities were struggling to rebuild the Red Army after bruising wars.

And there was intense pressure to find a new labour force, particularly one that would not complain, with Russia about to embark on its first Five-Year Plan for fast-track industrialisation.

Mr Ivanov was highly regarded. He had established his reputation under the Tsar when in 1901 he established the world's first centre for the artificial insemination of racehorses.

Mr Ivanov's ideas were music to the ears of Soviet planners and in 1926 he was dispatched to West Africa with $200,000 to conduct his first experiment in impregnating chimpanzees.

Meanwhile, a centre for the experiments was set up in Georgia - Stalin's birthplace - for the apes to be raised.

Mr Ivanov's experiments, unsurprisingly from what we now know, were a total failure. He returned to the Soviet Union, only to see experiments in Georgia to use monkey sperm in human volunteers similarly fail.

A final attempt to persuade a Cuban heiress to lend some of her monkeys for further experiments reached American ears, with the New York Times reporting on the story, and she dropped the idea amid the uproar...

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I found the article about Stalin's super warriors. From the article: "He returned to the Soviet Union, only to see experiments in Georgia to use monkey sperm in human volunteers similarly fail." Human volunteers?! Wow, who would volunteers for something like that?

"Volunteer" can be used loosely and subjectively. "Volunteer" or you die. "Volunteer" or you will be subjected to a more unpleasant option. "Volunteer" and your loved ones will not be subjected to brutality.

I once talked with a survivor of concentration camps. After being herded on a train like animals, the Nazis asked their victims for volunteers to work in the fields. She escaped the gas chamber because of her decision to "volunteer."

When those in power ruthlessly pursue their own agendas at the expense of others, the carnage and suffering is immense.

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Supposedly there was only one german women that agreed to be artificially inseminated. The rest of the volunteers in that project were sperm donors, if they even knew why they were having to provide the specimen.

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There's been weird things done in the name of science for a long time and people have no clue what is going on. Over 20 years ago in TN they created cows with glass windows implanted in their stomach so you could see their insides and put glass legs on other cows. My college professor had told us about the cows he'd seen, but I had heard about it years earlier from my uncle who somehow got to tour the lab. I would not be surprised at all to learn there were "unusual" humans created through dna manipulation and twisted science.

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Edited out content because I missed same subject already mentioned. (Stalin super soldiers)-Knuck

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A full grown chimp/human chimera may not be possible at the moment but who knows what the future may hold. Maybe one day every bigfooter with a few million to spare will be able to hirer a geneticist to make them a "Sasquatch" of their very own.

This soldier of the future would survive :

Only if it had table manners and was house broken....

Plus clean of body and mouth, plus it would it would need to pick up after itself, and shave whole body daily.

Oh, Also needs table manners.

:blink:Then it could go out and kill people for America! (while whistling the Star Spangled banner...of course!)

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I can kind of see the point in the glass window stomachs, but I'm not following the logic for why they would put glass legs on the cows. Wouldn't they break easily?

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I heard they also had cows without legs. You know they called them?

ground beef. :lol:

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I heard they also had cows without legs. You know they called them?

ground beef. :lol:

I stepped right in that one, didn't I? :lol:

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Is it just me who wonders why this is coming out now with another Planet of the Apes movie also coming out soon?

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I can kind of see the point in the glass window stomachs, but I'm not following the logic for why they would put glass legs on the cows. Wouldn't they break easily?

I think the whole idea of the experiment was to prove that glass and living tissue could be made to "grow" together and the body not reject the glass parts with the idea of using the science to make "parts" for humans.

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