norseman Posted April 22, 2021 Admin Share Posted April 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Celtic Raider said: I'm not so sure a very large ape would deal so easily with a brown bear. In ancient Rome brown bears were pitted against Lions and Tigers in arenas like the Colosseum for sport and almost exclusively the bears came out on top. Assuming the sasquatch is real of course, and that it's 'Patty like'. Sad news to hear the death of the victim and the bear too. Just a bad situation all round. I think the bear comes out on top in a stadium. I think in the woods? Sasquatch comes out on top. One big rock over the head? Or a club? From ambush? Heck Indians killed Griz with a stone war club. The trick was to throw the bear a piece of drift wood first. It was said the bear would catch it every time. Negating it’s paws and claws. And they would knife in and crack the Griz over the skull. A huge powerful smart humanoid would have a very special place in the wilderness I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celtic Raider Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 51 minutes ago, norseman said: I think the bear comes out on top in a stadium. I think in the woods? Sasquatch comes out on top. One big rock over the head? Or a club? From ambush? Heck Indians killed Griz with a stone war club. The trick was to throw the bear a piece of drift wood first. It was said the bear would catch it every time. Negating it’s paws and claws. And they would knife in and crack the Griz over the skull. A huge powerful smart humanoid would have a very special place in the wilderness I think. You raise a good point. I guess it all comes down to the intelligence, chimpanzees use clubs and throw items though not very accurately so conceivably a bipedal ape could use their hands more accurately. Trouble is, assuming they actually exist nobody knows the mental capacity, size, strength or aggressiveness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted April 22, 2021 Admin Share Posted April 22, 2021 24 minutes ago, Celtic Raider said: You raise a good point. I guess it all comes down to the intelligence, chimpanzees use clubs and throw items though not very accurately so conceivably a bipedal ape could use their hands more accurately. Trouble is, assuming they actually exist nobody knows the mental capacity, size, strength or aggressiveness. I think this account is getting warm. Maybe not exact of course. But it certainly describes the mental state of something like a proto human. https://www.primates.com/ebu-gogo/index.html Glutton Cannibal Predator Mimicry, great human mimic ability. Not sure of their own language capabilities. Lack of being seen with stone tools even though the fossil record shows them. So either they lost the ability or hid it. Naked Good climbers Lived in caves They had shorter legs, huge feet and longer arms and were hairy. Albeit much smaller than humans. I think we can glean knowledge of this wild man myth that is now attached to a real species. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celtic Raider Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 hour ago, norseman said: I think this account is getting warm. Maybe not exact of course. But it certainly describes the mental state of something like a proto human. https://www.primates.com/ebu-gogo/index.html Glutton Cannibal Predator Mimicry, great human mimic ability. Not sure of their own language capabilities. Lack of being seen with stone tools even though the fossil record shows them. So either they lost the ability or hid it. Naked Good climbers Lived in caves They had shorter legs, huge feet and longer arms and were hairy. Albeit much smaller than humans. I think we can glean knowledge of this wild man myth that is now attached to a real species. It's an interesting read for sure, not sure how much we can extrapolate and I'm of the opinion that sasquatch would be more gorilla like than human if Patty is anything to go by. I can't subscribe the intelligence that some people do to them but until one is studied I guess we're all guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted April 22, 2021 Admin Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Celtic Raider said: It's an interesting read for sure, not sure how much we can extrapolate and I'm of the opinion that sasquatch would be more gorilla like than human if Patty is anything to go by. I can't subscribe the intelligence that some people do to them but until one is studied I guess we're all guessing. Patty is more human than gorilla in the fact she walks on two legs? I’m betting intelligence is also somewhere between Homo Sapiens and Gorillas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Somerset Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 24 minutes ago, norseman said: Patty is more human than gorilla in the fact she walks on two legs? I’m betting intelligence is also somewhere between Homo Sapiens and Gorillas. I cant see that walking on two legs makes it more human, they walk on all fours too. There are a number of things that get you to the dividing line but no one thing tips the balance, i agree regarding intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celtic Raider Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 1 hour ago, norseman said: Patty is more human than gorilla in the fact she walks on two legs? I’m betting intelligence is also somewhere between Homo Sapiens and Gorillas. It's all subjective of course but she looks very gorilla like to me and intelligence wise I wouldn't be too hasty to dismiss gorillas, they can learn sign language of course which shows massive mental capacity compared to most other animals. I think you're right though she fits nicely between somewhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowBorn Posted April 23, 2021 Moderator Share Posted April 23, 2021 4 hours ago, norseman said: Patty is more human than gorilla in the fact she walks on two legs? I’m betting intelligence is also somewhere between Homo Sapiens and Gorillas. I see Patty more Human then Gorilla . Not the way that she walks but the way that she stares or looks backs. You can see that she is thinking by the way that she is walking away. There is just some thing about her that does not scream Gorilla or that she would go down on all fours. A sense of pride, a sense of she knows who she is. No fear ! I sensed that about the creatures I have encountered as well. A very primal way of living. Like they understood me and how I would react while out in the forest. If there was away to more light on them. Then we should give them a percentage between Human/Gorilla. In my opinion I would give them 90/10 percent. But who knows until we have an actual specimen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 I see more human than gorilla in Patty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntster Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 On 4/22/2021 at 8:09 AM, norseman said: ........Indians killed Griz with a stone war club. The trick was to throw the bear a piece of drift wood first. It was said the bear would catch it every time. Negating it’s paws and claws. And they would knife in and crack the Griz over the skull....... I'd like to see somebody try that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted April 24, 2021 Admin Share Posted April 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, Huntster said: I'd like to see somebody try that. I bet there was a learning curve.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntster Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 On 4/22/2021 at 4:05 AM, Celtic Raider said: ........ In ancient Rome brown bears were pitted against Lions and Tigers in arenas like the Colosseum for sport and almost exclusively the bears came out on top......... Mexicans in Alta California pitted brown bears against bulls regularly. The bulls usually won, but that was because the Mexicans would chain the bear down so it wouldn't climb out of the ring and into the crowd watching the spectacle. The bear didn't have much of a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted April 24, 2021 Admin Share Posted April 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Huntster said: Mexicans in Alta California pitted brown bears against bulls regularly. The bulls usually won, but that was because the Mexicans would chain the bear down so it wouldn't climb out of the ring and into the crowd watching the spectacle. The bear didn't have much of a chance. It would be unfortunate if the main event ate the paying patrons....😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celtic Raider Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 10 hours ago, Huntster said: Mexicans in Alta California pitted brown bears against bulls regularly. The bulls usually won, but that was because the Mexicans would chain the bear down so it wouldn't climb out of the ring and into the crowd watching the spectacle. The bear didn't have much of a chance. It's quite gruesome what some of these old cultures did for 'sport' or entertainment. I never heard that one before though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted April 24, 2021 Admin Share Posted April 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Celtic Raider said: It's quite gruesome what some of these old cultures did for 'sport' or entertainment. I never heard that one before though! Those were tough men... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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