Could It Be That Bigfoot Is Paranormal?

[Guest]

Krakatoa, my third eye is telling me that it is against the forum rules therefore I can not say it.

[Guest RayG]

If this form of communication exists...

This form of communication, if proven...

And that's the problem, no one has ever shown that telepathy exists as a method of communication.

wild eyed willy is on the right path. Whenever anyone starts presenting claims, suggestions, or hypotheses about telepathy, they never give a valid explanation for how these telepathic 'messages' are encoded/transmitted and then received/decoded by the brain, what kind of energy is involved, what medium is being used for the signal, or what addresses 'messages' to specific recipients.

I'd really like someone to present some coherent, viable explanations for those problems. If not, then apparently you're just making a wild guess and know absolutely nothing about communication methods, systems, or requirements.

RayG

[Guest Primate]

Personally, I think a combination of telepathy and infrasound being used by a flesh and blood creature easily accounts for the rest of Para Ape's list.(with perhaps a few instances of Grey's imitating Bigfoot ; )

I haven't encountered Bigfoot but, I have alot of experience meditating with Tibetan and other "spiritual" teachers and it's not much of a leap to imagine the capacity to implant or influence moods, mental images or space-time continuity (the sequence of events) -all of which are non-verbal -being developed to a large degree and used to make an already secretive creature less approachable..

[ShadowBorn]

World English Dictionary

telepathy (tɪˈlɛpəθɪ)

— n

psychol telegnosis Compare clairvoyance Also called: thought transference the communication between people of thoughts, feelings, desires, etc, involving mechanisms that cannot be understood in terms of known scientific laws

[C19: from tele- + Greek patheia feeling, perception: see -pathy ]

telepathic

— adj

tele'pathically

— adv

te'lepathist

— n

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Etymonline Word Origin & History

telepathy

1882, coined (along with telæsthesia) by Eng. psychologist Frederic Myers (1843-1901), from tele- "far" (see tele-) + -pathy "feeling." Telepathic is first recorded 1884. The noun telepath is a 1907 back-formation. Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper

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te·lep·a·thy definition

Pronunciation: /tə-ˈlep-ə-thē/

Function: n

pl -thies ; : apparent communication from one mind to another by extrasensory means

tele·path·ic Pronunciation: /ˌtel-ə-ˈpath-ik/

Function: adj

tele·path·i·cal·ly Pronunciation: /-i-k(ə-)lē/

Function: adv

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American Heritage telepathy te·lep·a·thy (tə-lěp'ə-thē)

n.

Communication by means other than through the normal senses.

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American Heritage Cultural Dictionary

telepathy [(tuh- lep -uh-thee)]

Knowledge conveyed from one individual to another without means of the five senses; mind reading. ( See also extrasensory perception, parapsychology, and psychic research.)

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telepathy

direct transference of thought from one person (sender or agent) to another (receiver or percipient) without using the usual sensory channels of communication, hence a form of extrasensory perception (ESP). While the existence of telepathy has not yet been proved, some parapsychological research studies have produced favourable results using such techniques as card guessing with a special deck of five sets of five cards. The agent may simply think of a random order of the five card symbols while the percipient tries to think of the order on which the agent is concentrating. In a general ESP test the sender concentrates on the face of one card at a time while the receiver tries to think of the symbol. Both subjects are, of course, separated by a screen or some greater obstacle or distance. Scores significantly above chance are extremely rare, particularly as testing methods have become more rigorous.

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So a thought of some sort could be telepathy,does not have to be spoken and no language involve.either way it has happen to me a few times and am not sure why.a unexplainable event.

[Guest]

I don't know how to prove anything like this, other than to use remote viewing as an example. Even then the person sees the target, which is more like astral projection, than true telepathy. Supposedly you just extend your consciousness to the target. I would assume that the other forms of telepathy are a different variation of this but that gets into the neurological research on NDE's, where exactly a person's seat of consciousness sits, in the brain or externally?

[ShadowBorn]

Ray

If there was a way to show this I would and most of the time when this happens to me it happens when I am hunting alone.except for one time when I had a friend with me who does not believe in Bigfoot until that day when it happen.He could not believe that over night that these creature could do what they did as well as what happen on a another occasion with a feather.More stuff has happen as well and believe me and like it has been said you have to expierance it for yourself.But now that there is this DNA that will prove they exist you might put an ear to the other stuff that is also happening that is happening with these creatures.

Forgot to add that the Army is now working on a project that is related to telepathy with our soldiers .thier project involves a special helmet that project the thoughts of the soldiers thoughts to anothers soldier helmet. So this is now becoming realty as we speak.Now Where did the Army get this idea from I wonder?

Remote viewing was used during Desert storm and was very effective and is something that our group is using as well with results that I wish not to say.But all this is new age thinking and is very good tools to use .

Edited August 14, 2011 by julio126

[Guest wild eyed willy]

Sasyfoot,

I don't research MT.. I don't need to. There is no universal language, and your mind thinks in the english language( if english is your primary language)

and BF thinks in BF language..It can't think in a language it doesn't know... as far as pictures goes I supose this is possible however when we humans think an action thought( for example, I think I want to run to the corner,) I don't visualize myself running to the corner.. I just think the sentance( in english)

you will never convince me that this is possible for the reasons I already stated.. I could read all of the webpages on the internet concerning this subject and I still wouldn't believe it because Its just words someone I don't know wrote... Kind of like on here...

Since all I really have to go on is what I know to be fact from my 54 years on this earth, Logic dictates to me the imposibility of it.

I do however believe in ESP, and perhaps this is what is really happening, but again there is no real way to be sure, because you can't ask BF if what you perceive is correct, ( once again, you don't speak the same language)... First you would have to befriend a BF, then teach him English and then ask it.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it is what it is.

[Guest wild eyed willy]

Maybe a telepathic request might be in order. "Please stand still for 2.5 seconds while I click this small box in my hands."

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the telepathy/habituation folks will find good reason that couldn't work. It's always something.

What is the small box in your hand? wouldn't be something harmless like the TV remote? would it..

[Guest]

WEW- You really think in sentences? I never think in sentences unless I'm writing. When you read a fictional novel does it go through your head like a movie? It does for me, but not everyone. I wonder if that makes a difference?

[Guest wild eyed willy]

Ray

If there was a way to show this I would and most of the time when this happens to me it happens when I am hunting alone.except for one time when I had a friend with me who does not believe in Bigfoot until that day when it happen.He could not believe that over night that these creature could do what they did as well as what happen on a another occasion with a feather.More stuff has happen as well and believe me and like it has been said you have to expierance it for yourself.But now that there is this DNA that will prove they exist you might put an ear to the other stuff that is also happening that is happening with these creatures.

Forgot to add that the Army is now working on a project that is related to telepathy with our soldiers .thier project involves a special helmet that project the thoughts of the soldiers thoughts to anothers soldier helmet. So this is now becoming realty as we speak.Now Where did the Army get this idea from I wonder?

Remote viewing was used during Desert storm and was very effective and is something that our group is using as well with results that I wish not to say.But all this is new age thinking and is very good tools to use .

can you elaborate in more detail what has happened to you?

[Guest wild eyed willy]

And that's the problem, no one has ever shown that telepathy exists as a method of communication.

wild eyed willy is on the right path. Whenever anyone starts presenting claims, suggestions, or hypotheses about telepathy, they never give a valid explanation for how these telepathic 'messages' are encoded/transmitted and then received/decoded by the brain, what kind of energy is involved, what medium is being used for the signal, or what addresses 'messages' to specific recipients.

I'd really like someone to present some coherent, viable explanations for those problems. If not, then apparently you're just making a wild guess and know absolutely nothing about communication methods, systems, or requirements.

RayG

Yup

[Guest]

I should probably kill myself for posting this. However in further googling it appears to be current technology employed in hearing implants for the profoundly deaf.

So in summary....telepathy actually is the wrong word for the phenomina....it's EVF or EMF or whatever.....it is not only possible, but been going on for quite awhile. Known to Science and Audiologists.

While the new battle will be how can BF modulate this, for everyone who's been infrasounded rejoice....found a plausable explaination. Whoo-Hoo!!! For those who haven't heard BF's in their heads yet....this is learnable. For those who have here's the biology of it. The ramifications of the recording spectrum of BF vocals is amazing and I was holding this back because I didn't want to see it on TV as someone elses theory....or have 90 different research groups act as if they did the backround legwork themselves.

However I'm personally tired of the telepathy bashing.

Now why haven't all you psudo-scientific types needing proof found this on your own??

Human auditory system response to

Modulated electromagnetic energy

ALLAN H Frey

General Electric Advanced Electronics Center

Cornell University, Ithaca, New York

Frey, Allan H. Human auditory systems response to modulated electromagnetic energy.

J. Appl. Physiol. 17(4):689-692. 1962-

The intent of this paper is to bring a new phenomenon to the attention of physiologists. Using extremely low average power densities of electromagnetic energy, the perception of sounds was induced in normal and deaf humans. The effect was induced several hundred feet from the antenna the instant the transmitter was turned on, and is a function of carrier frequency and modulation. Attempts were made to match the sounds induced by electromagnetic energy and acoustic energy.

The closest match occurred when the acoustic amplifier was driven by the rf transmitter's modulator. Peak power density is a critical factor and, with acoustic noise of approximately 80 db, a peak power density of approximately 275 mw/cm2 is needed to induce the perception at carrier frequencies of 425 mc and 1,310 mc. The average power density can be at least as low as 400 uw/cm2. The evidence for the various possible sites of electromagnetic energy sensor are discussed and locations peripheral to the cochlea are ruled out.

A significant amount of research has been concerned with the effects of radio-frequency (rf) energy on organisms (electromagnetic energy between 1Kc and 100 Gc). Typically, this work has been concerned with determining damage resulting from body temperature increase. The average power densities used have been on the order of 0.1-1 w/cm2 used over many minutes to several hours. In contrast, using average power densities measured in microwatts per square centimeter, we have found that other effects, which are transient, can be induced with this energy. Further, these effects occur the instant the transmitter is turned on.

With appropriate modulation, the perception of various sounds can be induced in clinically deaf, as well as normal, human subjects at a distance of inches up to thousands of feet from the transmitter. With somewhat different transmitter parameters, we can induce the perception of severe buffeting of the head, without such apparent vestibular symptoms as dizziness or nausea. Changing transmitter parameters again, one can induce a "pins-and -needles" sensation.

Experimental work with these phenomena may yield information on auditory system functioning and, more generally, information on nervous system function. For example, this energy could possibly be used as a tool to explore nervous system coding, possibly using Neider and Neff's procedures (1), and for stimulating the nervous system without the damage caused by electrodes. Since most of our data have been obtained on the "rf sound" and only the visual system has previously been shown to respond to electromagnetic energy, this paper will be concerned only with the auditory effects data. As a further restriction, only data from human subjects will be reported, since only these data can be discussed meaningfully at the present time.

The long series of studies we performed to ascertain that we were dealing with a biologically significant phenomenon (rather than broadcasts from sources such as loose fillings in teeth) are summarized in another paper (2), which also reports on the measuring instruments used in this work. The intent of this paper is to bring this new phenomenon to the attention of physiologists. The data reported are intended to suggest numerous lines of experimentation and indicate necessary experimental controls. Since we were dealing with a significant phenomenon, we decided to explore the effects of a wide range of transmitter parameters to build up a body of knowledge which would allow us to generate hypotheses and determine what experimental controls would be necessary.

Thus, the numbers given are conservative; they should not be considered precise, since the transmitters were never located in ideal laboratory environments. Within the limits of our measurements, the orientation of the subject in the rf field was of little consequence. Most of the transmitters used to date in the experimentation have been pulse modulated with no information placed on the signal. The rf sound has been described as being a buzz, clicking, hiss, or knocking, depending on several transmitter parameters, i.e., pulse width and pulse-repetition rate (PRF). The apparent source of these sounds is localized by the subjects as being within, or immediately behind, the head. The sound always seem to come from within or immediately behind the head, no matter how the subject twists or rotates in the rf field.

Our early experimentation, performed using transmitters with very short square pulses and high pulse repetition rates, seemed to indicate that we were dealing with harmonics of the PRF. However, our later work has indicated that this is not the case; rather, the rf sound appears to be the incidental modulation envelope on each pulse, as shown in Fig. 1

Some difficulty was experienced when the subjects tried to match the rf sound to ordinary audio. They reported that it was not possible to satisfactorily match the rf sound to a sine wave or white noise. An audio amplifier was connected to a variable bandpass filter and pulsed by the transmitter pulsing mechanism. The subjects, when allowed to control the filter, reported a fairly satisfactory match. The subjects were fairly well satisfied when all frequencies below 5Kc audio were eliminated and the high-frequency audio was extended as much as possible. There was, however, always a demand for more high-frequency components.

Since our tweeter has a rather good high frequency response, it is possible that we have shown an analogue of the visual phenomenon in which people see farther into the ultraviolet range when the lens is eliminated from the eye. In other words, this may be a demonstration that the mechanical transmission system of the ossicles cannot respond to as high a frequency as the rest of the auditory system. Since the rf bypasses the ossicle system and the audio given the subject for matching does not, this may explain the dissatisfaction of our subjects in their matching.

At one time in our experimentation with deaf subjects, there seemed to be a clear relationship between the ability to hear audio above 5Kc and the ability to hear rf sounds. If a subject could hear above 5Kc, either by bone or air conduction, then he could hear the rf sounds. For example, the threshold of a subject whose audio-gram appears in Fig. 2 was the same average power density as our normal subjects. Recently, however, we have found people with a notch around 5Kc who do not perceive the rf sound generated by at least one of our transmitters.

THRESHOLDS

TABLE 1 Transmitter parameters

Trans- Frequency Wave- Pulse Width

mitter mc length cm usec Pulses/Sec Duty Cycle

A 1,310 22.9 6 224 .0015

B 2,982 10.4 1 400 .0004

C 425 70.6 125 27 .0038

D 425 70.6 250 27 .007

E 425 70.6 500 27 .014

F 425 70.6 1000 27 .028

G 425 70.6 2000 27 .056

H 8,900 3.4 2.5 400 .001

As shown in Table 1, we have used a fairly wide range of transmitter parameters. We are currently experimenting with transmitters that radiate energy at frequencies below 425 mc, and are using different types of modulation, e.g., pulse-repetition rates as low as 3 and 4/sec. In the experimentation reported in this section, the ordinary noise level was 70-90 db (measured with a General Radio Co. Model 1551-B sound-level meter).

In order to minimize the rf energy used in the experimentation, subjects wore Flent antinoise ear stoppers whenever measurements were made. The Ordinary noise attenuation of the Flents is indicated in Fig. 3. Although the rf sounds can be heard without the use of Flents, even above an ambient noise level of 90 db, it appears that the ambient noise to some extent "masked" the rf sound.

TABLE 2 Threshold for perception of rf sound (ambient noise level 70 - 90 db)

Peak

Avg Peak Peak Magnetic

Power Power Electric Field

Trans- Frequency Duty Density Density Field amp

mitter mc Cycle mw/cm2 mw/cm2 v/cm turns/m

A 1,310 .0015 0.4 267 14 4

B 2,982 .0004 2.1 5,250 63 17

C 425 .0038 1.0 263 15 4

D 425 .007 1.9 271 14 4

E 425 .014 3.2 229 13 3

F 425 .028 7.1 254 14 4

Table 2 gives the threshold for perception of the rf sounds. It shows fairly clearly that the critical factor in perception of rf sound is the peak power density, rather than the average power density. The relatively high value for transmitter B was expected and will be discussed below. Transmitter G has been omitted from this table since the 20 mw/cm2 reading for it can be considered only approximate. The field-strength-measuring instruments used in that experiment did not read high enough to give an accurate reading.

The energy from transmitter H was not perceived, even when the peak power density was as high as 25 w/cm2. When the threshold energy is plotted as a function of the rf energy (Fig 4), a curve is obtained which is suggestive of the curve of penetration of rf energy into the head. Figure 5 shows the calculated penetration, by frequency of rf energy, into the head. Our data indicate that the calculated penetration curve may well be accurate at the higher frequencies but the penetration at the lower frequencies may be grater than that calculated on this model.

As previously noted, the thresholds were obtained in a high ambient noise environment. This is an unusual situation as compared to obtaining thresholds of regular audio sound. Our recent experimentation leads us to believe that, if the ambient noise level were not so high, these threshold field strengths would be much lower. Since one purpose of this paper is to suggest experiments, it might be appropriate to theorize as to what the rf sound threshold might be if we assume that the subject is in an anechoic chamber. It is also assumed that there is no transducer noise.

Given: As a threshold for the rf sound, a peak power density of 275 mw/cm2 determined in an ambient noise environment of 80 db. Earplugs attenuate the ambient noise to 30 db.

If: 1 mw/cm2 is set equal to 0 db, then 275 mw/cm2 is equal to 24 db.

Then: We can reduce the rf energy 50 db to -26 db as we reduce the noise level energy from 50 db to 0 db. We find that -26 db rf energy is approximately 3 uw/cm2.

Thus: In an anechoic room, rf sound could theoretically be induced by a peak power density of 3 uw/cm2 measured in free space. Since only 10% of this energy is likely to penetrate the skull, the human auditory system and a table radio may be one order of magnitude apart in sensitivity to rf energy.

RF DETECTOR IN AUDITORY SYSTEM

One possibility that seems to have been ruled out in our experimentation is that of a capacitor type effect with the tympanic membrane and oval window acting as plates of a capacitor. It would seem possible that these membranes, acting as plates of a capacitor, could be set in motion by rf energy. There are, however, three points of evidence against this possibility. First, when one rotates a capacitor in an rf field, a rather marked change occurs in the capacitor as a function of its orientation in the field. When our subjects rotate or change positions of their heads in the field, the loudness of the rf sound does not change appreciably. Second, the distance between these membranes is rather small, compared with the wavelengths used. As a third point, we found that one of our subjects who has otosclerosis heard the rf sound.

Another possible location for the detecting mechanism is in the cochlea. We have explored this possibility with nerve-deaf people, but the results are inconclusive due to factors such as tinnitus. We are currently exploring this possibility with animal preparations. The third likely place for the detection mechanism is the brain. Burr and Mauro (6) presented evidence that indicates that there is an electrostatic field about neurons. Morrow and Sepiel (7) presented evidence that indicates the existence of a magnetic field about neurons.

Becker (personal communication) has done some work indicating that there is longitudinal flow of charge carriers in neurons. Thus, it is reasonable to suspect that possibly the electromagnetic field could interact with neuron fields. As yet, evidence of this possibility is inconclusive. The strongest point against is that we have not found visual effects although we have searched for them. On the other hand, we have obtained other nonauditory effects and found that the sensitive area for detecting rf sounds is a region over the temporal lobe of the brain. One can shield, with a 2-in.sq. piece of fly screen, a portion of the strippled area shown in Fig. 6 and completely cut off the rf sound.

Another possibility should also be considered. There is no good reason to assume that there is only one detector site. On the contrary, the work of Jones et al (, in which they placed electrodes in the ear and electrically stimulated the subject, is sufficiently relevant to suggest the possibility of more than one detector site. Also, several sensations have been elicited with properly modulated electromagnetic energy.

It is doubtful that all of these can be attributed to one detector. As mentioned earlier, the purpose of this paper is to focus the attention of physiologists on an unusual area and stimulate additional work on which interpretations can be based. Interpretations have been deliberately omitted from this paper since additional data are needed before a clear picture can emerge. It is hoped that the additional exploration will also result in an increase in our knowledge of nervous system functions.

REFERENCES:

Neider, P.C., and W.D.Neff. Science 133: 1010,1961.

Frey, A.H. Aero Space Med. 32: 1140, 1961.

Zwislocki, J. Noise Control 4: 42, 1958.

Von Gierke, H. Noise Control 2: 37, 1956.

Niest, R., L Pinneo, R. Baus, J. Fleming, and R. McAfee. Ann. Rept. USA Rome Air Development Command,TR-61-65, 1961

Burr, H., and A. Mauro. Yale J Biol.and Med. 21:455, 1949.

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[Guest wild eyed willy]

WEW- You really think in sentences? I never think in sentences unless I'm writing. When you read a fictional novel does it go through your head like a movie? It does for me, but not everyone. I wonder if that makes a difference?

yes when I read a novel my minds eye creates a picture. I'd be surprised if you didn't think in sentances... Lets say you are scared by an intruder, your mind thinks super fast considering your options... You already know what running to the corner is and what it is like, so your mind doesn't need to play through the steps of doing it... Pay attention for awhile, you will see I'm right.

[Guest]

Here is the diagram that never copies over in the study....searches of Electromagnetic Hearing in a google search looks disappointing till you get into page 5 or 6. The info in some of the Audiology conferences was excellent regarding this. More work has been done since the 40's. Much more, it just was never applied to BF recordings or BF field experiences.

[Guest wild eyed willy]

Gray Jay, congrats, you managed to prove nothing