Patterson-Gimlin Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 On 4/22/2024 at 2:12 PM, dopelyrics said: Hello Everyone, It’s been a while since I’ve posted on this forum but I’m glad to see there’s still healthy debate over these photos. I can see a tail on the creature on both photos, I really can and I always have. But equally, I’ve had some new glasses recently. Maybe I need a new prescription. Best regards, lee Hi Lee, Can't see the tail. I Have new glasses. I do see the bear. Phantom chimp,not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted April 23 Admin Share Posted April 23 49 minutes ago, Patterson-Gimlin said: Hi Lee, Can't see the tail. I Have new glasses. I do see the bear. Phantom chimp,not so much. Well…. Bears have tails. So if you’re seeing a “Bear” with no tail?🤷♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patterson-Gimlin Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 4 hours ago, norseman said: Well…. Bears have tails. So if you’re seeing a “Bear” with no tail?🤷♂️ Yeah, they do in Florida also. What I do see is a bear. Just being honest. The pictures are not exactly 4k. I wouldn't affirm in court on none of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted April 24 Admin Share Posted April 24 18 minutes ago, Patterson-Gimlin said: Yeah, they do in Florida also. What I do see is a bear. Just being honest. The pictures are not exactly 4k. I wouldn't affirm in court on none of it. I would affirm in court these as two bear cubs….. same camera. No problem. Pretty easy to point out the physical features that make them bears. Bear ears on top of the head. A snout. Tapetum Lucidum (eyes reflecting flash). Did the camera get extra fuzzy between the bear cubs and the Jacobs creature? What features make the Jacobs creature a bear to you? You have admitted you do not see a tail. Great apes? Don’t have tails. But Bears do have tails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patterson-Gimlin Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 (edited) Of course I was talking about the bear you think is a chimp. There are many photos of Bears in awkward poses. Easily found with searches on the internet. I am actually surprised that you with your background think the bear is a chimp. Monkey on the brain perhaps. No matter its still a bear just like the other ones. Just because I don't see a tail doesn't mean there isn't one. Edited April 24 by Patterson-Gimlin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chim Chim Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 If the bear don’t fit you must acquit… 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted April 24 Admin Share Posted April 24 1 hour ago, Patterson-Gimlin said: Of course I was talking about the bear you think is a chimp. There are many photos of Bears in awkward poses. Easily found with searches on the internet. I am actually surprised that you with your background think the bear is a chimp. Monkey on the brain perhaps. No matter its still a bear just like the other ones. Just because I don't see a tail doesn't mean there isn't one. You didn’t answer my question. What features on the Jacob creature make it a “bear” to you? I don’t have “monkey on the brain”. I’ve explained in great detail why it’s not a Bear. Now I am asking you to explain your position. I see it for what it is…and what it’s not. Well it’s awfully funny that we can make out great detail on the cubs…. but not the creature in question. Same camera. If we can see a bear cubs ear? We should be able to see an adult bears tail. Especially when it’s rump is pointed right at the camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patterson-Gimlin Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 I answered. Awkward position,feet, legs. Fur, other similar photos. Your explanations are not correct because all the explaining will not turn a bear into a chimp. Some people say that they see a tail. Perhaps they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted April 24 Admin Share Posted April 24 17 minutes ago, Patterson-Gimlin said: I answered. Awkward position,feet, legs. Fur, other similar photos. Your explanations are not correct because all the explaining will not turn a bear into a chimp. Some people say that they see a tail. Perhaps they do. The awkward position makes it a Bear?🤔 What about the feet makes it a Bear? Do you see claws? Legs? Fur? You’re not explaining anything specific that would make it a Bear….. You keep attacking me instead of my argument. My explanations have been concise as to why it’s not a Bear. 1) It’s limb and body proportions most fit a Chimp. Not a Bear. 2) It has shoulders like a great ape. Bears don’t have pronounced shoulders. 3) It’s awkward position in the second photo is impossible for a Bear to do. And I have challenged everyone here to produce a image of a Bear doing so. Grub finger has posted lots of photos to support this argument. 4) The argument that it’s a Bear with mange doesn’t hold water. It obviously has its fur-hair. Good for them. I asked YOU. You do not see a tail and yet you’re still confident it’s a Bear. And yet you cannot bring forward a convincing argument as to why you come to that conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted April 24 Admin Share Posted April 24 Also? Why a PHANTOM chimp? We have dna proof of chimp dna in a national forest back east. A couple of hundred miles away. Why is there chimp DNA in a national forest? I don’t live back east. But it would seem they have a invasive species problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patterson-Gimlin Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 21 minutes ago, norseman said: The awkward position makes it a Bear?🤔 What about the feet makes it a Bear? Do you see claws? Legs? Fur? You’re not explaining anything specific that would make it a Bear….. You keep attacking me instead of my argument. My explanations have been concise as to why it’s not a Bear. 1) It’s limb and body proportions most fit a Chimp. Not a Bear. 2) It has shoulders like a great ape. Bears don’t have pronounced shoulders. 3) It’s awkward position in the second photo is impossible for a Bear to do. And I have challenged everyone here to produce a image of a Bear doing so. Grub finger has posted lots of photos to support this argument. 4) The argument that it’s a Bear with mange doesn’t hold water. It obviously has its fur-hair. Good for them. I asked YOU. You do not see a tail and yet you’re still confident it’s a Bear. And yet you cannot bring forward a convincing argument as to why you come to that conclusion. Neither have you. Just because you say it,doesn't make it so. None of your claims do. Limbs,shoulders and impossible declaration. All wishful thinking. Plenty of similar photos. Look for yourself if you care. Skinny bear,early mange stage with bear feet, paws and terrible quality makes it difficult to see. Anyway, I wasted enough time debating a Skinny bear that deserves no more attention than the dude who claims to be the mime in the Patterson film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted April 24 Admin Share Posted April 24 23 minutes ago, Patterson-Gimlin said: Neither have you. Just because you say it,doesn't make it so. None of your claims do. Limbs,shoulders and impossible declaration. All wishful thinking. Plenty of similar photos. Look for yourself if you care. Skinny bear,early mange stage with bear feet, paws and terrible quality makes it difficult to see. Anyway, I wasted enough time debating a Skinny bear that deserves no more attention than the dude who claims to be the mime in the Patterson film. I have looked. The pictures are not similar at all. And you contradict yourself repeatedly. Why would a Bear in the early stages of mange be skinny? You’re trying to account for its limb and body proportions even though it has all its fur-hair. You can’t see a tail, but it’s still a Bear…. Even though in the cub bear photo it’s very easy to see Bear attributes. Here is a skinny mangey bear quartering away. Does it resemble a chimp? I can plainly see a tail, ears and a snout. It looks nothing like the Jacobs creature. And that’s letting the hair condition slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patterson-Gimlin Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 Never mind. You are Never wrong. Just because you don't know a bear from a chimp or think large man apes are responsible for a 1959 tragedy. Not to mention the many hoaxed pics, videos and fake footprints that you that you think are real man apes. Must be tiresome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted April 24 Admin Share Posted April 24 22 minutes ago, Patterson-Gimlin said: Never mind. You are Never wrong. Just because you don't know a bear from a chimp or think large man apes are responsible for a 1959 tragedy. Not to mention the many hoaxed pics, videos and fake footprints that you that you think are real man apes. Must be tiresome. See? You cannot win an argument with logic and reason. You simply attack my character.🤷♂️ What must truly be tiresome for YOU? Is participating on a forum in which you think the subject and the people discussing it are RIDICULOUS. Now THAT doesn’t really make any sense does it?!! Take care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 5 hours ago, Patterson-Gimlin said: Neither have you. Just because you say it,doesn't make it so. None of your claims do. Limbs,shoulders and impossible declaration. All wishful thinking. Plenty of similar photos. Look for yourself if you care. Skinny bear,early mange stage with bear feet, paws and terrible quality makes it difficult to see. Anyway, I wasted enough time debating a Skinny bear that deserves no more attention than the dude who claims to be the mime in the Patterson film. Just because you say it is a bear doesn't make it so. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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