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Kite-Squatch-- ADAPT ability to climate change NOT ability to change climate

The " ;) " meant I was joking.

I suppose I should give up on the humor and stick to sarcasm....

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Human/Neanderthal Co-existence?

http://video.nationa...m/video/player/

Massive Population Drop Found for Native Americans, DNA Shows

http://news.national...netics-science/

Kite squatch, in future please use the universal symbol meaning "just kiddin, " "this is supposed to be funny," or "ironic tone"--inspired by the three stooges hand gestures:

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In person, waggle a flattened hand over the head.

In text, precede and follow the humorous remark with the symbol to avoid misunderstandings. I, ~~myself~~, must often use the symbol as I am often taken for serious when I am attempting irony.

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http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/freckles/

" For hominologists, trying to make sense of local and native traditions and ongoing sightings of hairy wild people, Yeren, Yeti, and Bigfoot, there is much to be learned from what various groups of hominids might have looked like. Hawks, et alii, are attempting “to determine what we can about the physical appearances of Neandertals and Denisovans.â€

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:lol:

The " ;) " meant I was joking.

I suppose I should give up on the humor and stick to sarcasm....

Don't you dare leave me alone, this is a ruff crowd ~

Tim :lol:

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the team has revealed at least 15 layers containing what they suggest to be deliberately laid plant bedding dated from 77,000 to 38,000 years ago. Consisting of layers of compacted leaves and stems from rushes and sedges spread out up to three square meters, at least some of the bedding contained evidence of plants that are also known to have medicinal and insecticidal properties.

http://popular-archaeology.com/issue/december-2011/article/rock-shelter-inhabitants-slept-in-comfort-77-000-years-ago

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"We were looking for Neanderthals," said Dr. Mirjana Roksandic, a participating paleoanthropologist with the University of Winnepeg and a leading research team member. "But this is much better."

What they discovered was a fossil specimen, definitely a human that, at least in terms of morphology, predated the Neanderthal and may have had more in common, physically, with Homo erectus, thought by many scientists to be the precursor to Neanderthals and Homo sapiens (modern humans). Initial dating indicated that the fragment was between 130,000 and 250,000 years old, but a recent series of tests conducted by Dr. Norbert Mercier at the University of Bordeaux produced a date of "older than" 113,000 years BP, significantly younger by comparison..

http://popular-archa...umans-in-europe

Great thread, I hope this one yields H. erectus DNA in the future! Wouldn't that be something!

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http://www.msnbc.msn...e/#.TulixlbeJ41

Neanderthal brain size, etc.

http://popular-archaeology.com/issue/december-2011/article/study-of-orangutans-yield-new-ideas-about-human-evolution

Orangutan info helps study of human evolution-- What they found was that they have been able to survive through prolonged protein deficits by eating higher protein leaves and the inner bark of trees during lean times, as well as burning the energy from stored body fat and eventually muscles for extended times when their preferred diet of fruit is not available.

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That was really interesting about the Denisovans especially the video. He said the location is often compared to parts of Washington or Oregon and the tooth was so large that he thought it must belong to a cave bear. It did have some really large roots. They must have interbred with Neanderthals who have been in that area obviously much longer than modern humans were.

I wonder if that is why they are thought to be closer to Neanderthals than modern humans? They obviously aren't if you use the mtDNA since it has a divergence date about twice as old as the apparent divergence date of us and Neanderthals. There is no way to get a more recent common ancestor, neanderthals, to be closer to a more distant one than us without Neanderthals interbreeding with them. We both should be equally distant from them. Denisova have a divergence closer to a million years and Neanderthals about half a million years according to mtDNA. The common ancestor of Neanderthal and modern humans might have had more genetic diversity back then but more interbreeding with Neanderthals seems a more likely explanation. It would logically be something you would expect to likely happen. Obviously you would need more than a couple of samples in a single cave to know which is true. Erectus are supposedly what lived there 1 million years ago and a divergence date of 1 million years suggests erectus as an ancestor. If it were closer to neanderthals, then logically it interbred with them. The only way around that is the two populations diverged from a common ancestor about 500,000 years ago. Humans and Neanderthals coincidentally had the same mtDNA lineage survive and Denisovans had another that was favored. It seems easier for me to believe Denisovans were just descended from one of the expected erectus populations that lived there. That huge tooth with very thick roots certainly strengthens that suspicion for me. It might even be something more primitive that bred with erectus to get the more modern "erectus" mtDNA. It would be very interesting to get something beyond a finger bone or a tooth. Someone is obviously going to compare their DNA to Ketchum's. It would be interesting to see how those compare and if it tends to refute or reinforce her work.

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