Guest JVDBogart Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Kings Canyon, you nailed it perfectly! At Tom Brown's Tracker School, they demonstrate the art of hiding in plain sight. I was amazed (and disgusted) with myself for being so conditioned by modern society and stuck primarily in tunnel vision mode. We have lost our ability to see in "wide angle" view and to take in the entire scene. However, through practice we can get this ability back. It's absolutely amazing how humans do not look up while in nature. In modern society, we have been conditioned to stare at where we are walking and to the height of about one story. If you get in a tree above the one story mark (like 10 feet or so) and don't move, then modern humans will march right past you and never look up. It's an amazing thing to participate in both the role as hider and modern human. Very enlightening and a real eye opener as to how Bigfoot could easily take advantage of this weakness in humans. Other creatures in nature evade us most of the time effectively. The only way we detect them is by movement. Most creatures will end up doing something stupid eventually like running when we get to close for comfort. Also, they may run immediately upon catching our scent or seeing our movements. Now imagine a creature with the extra intelligence so as not to make these stupid moves. Bigfoot knows it can stay hidden the whole time and has the confidence (being 8 feet tall and 600 pounds WILL give you confidence) to realize that even if we did find them, we are no threat to them (prokills are a different story of course.) This extra dose of intelligence is HUGE and creates the ultimate hiding machine. The have the whole package, plus the benefit of their personal experiences with humans. Perhaps, lessons are given by elder Bigfoot to the juveniles. If they have the ability to communicate effectively, then they can benifit from the experiences of other Bigfoot. This is what we are trying to find, and why we are at a HUGE disavantage. Humans are so **** cocky to think our super intelligence can defeat everything less intelligent. We need to have tremendous respect for the creatures abilities to evade us. We need to practice and re-wire our modern brains in order to increase our awareness. Right now the human vs. Bigfoot matchup is a battle of the most intelligent creatures versus the most aware creatures. I don't need to tell you who is winning I doubt. If we don't start training to bring back our long lost skills and abilities, they we'll just have to be content with fleeting glimpses or the occasional road crossing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VioletX Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Thanks JVDBogart, good points. I was just looking at treetops last night, out for a walk, thinking the same thing! I wonder how much time the younger Sasquatch spend in trees, I also think there must be a weight limit, depending ,on the tree, well we don't have the giant trees of the PNP here, so I guess you would only find the very small ones here where I live;) I have heard of Tom Brown for a while now, I imagine you learned some fascinating things. Wasn't he trained by an elder Native tracker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest crabshack Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 (edited) Also lots of cameras in suburbia... have know idea where you live, but not in this area ...and people with guns, Yes they do one of the guys at work clamed to have to have shot at a large bipedal hairy thing on his property here in south centeral PA, but his home is in a slight more rural area. and dogs to wake these people up. In the last 5 years 3 times now the dogs in my old neighborhood have been barking up a storm and then something with a very big set of lungs roars at them shutting them all up. That’s no bear, dogs run down bears. and it comes in close, deep breathing was heard from some creature standing under my sisters bedroom window. Even the coyotes can't make it through my neighborhood without being noticed, You must have some dumb coyotes around, most do not like to be seen, one may see tracks and **** about, but they are shy. Most people will NOT report a sighting or tell anyone what they had seen, they just handle the trespasser themselves or dismiss what they had seen. Edited July 26, 2012 by crabshack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salubrious Posted July 26, 2012 Moderator Share Posted July 26, 2012 (edited) King's Canyon, great post! I can add only one scenario. Lie down on the ground and backup beneath foliage that can cover you. Now you are a bit of earth beneath some ground cover. I've mentioned in other threads that I have been as close as 3 feet from a trail and not been seen- that was how I did it. JVDBogart, I have also had a lot of classes at the Tracker School (including Scout and Scout 2). After taking those classes, I never questioned BF's ability to hide or not have a body found ever again. I gave your post an up arrow as its right on the money. VioletX, Tom claims to be taught by an Apache tracker named Stalking Wolf, whom he calls Grandfather (died about 1969 or 1970). I've often wondered if Grandfather was real (Tom sure has a lot of stories about him) as Tom is one of the few living that claims to have met him and we for the most part only have his word on it. But it is amazing how much stuff he teaches in his classes, and that stuff has to come from *somewhere*, a source that is arcane, in-depth and unique. I've spent a lot of time with the Lakota and Chippewa but not seen nearly the depth of knowledge that just seems to drip off of Tom. He is accused of conducting a sort of cult, but from what I've seen that isn't real; he is without question a fanatic about primitive skills but I've not seen anything that smacks of cult. I think the cult thing comes from the fact of the vast variety of skills that anyone on the street would have said are impossible; skills that he is able to teach to just about anyone (hiding in plain sight is a great example; if we can do it, sure as hell BF can). Once you see that, its hard not to give him a lot of credit. Edited July 26, 2012 by salubrious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JVDBogart Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 Salubrious, thanks for fielding the Tom Brown questions for me. It is amazing how much of his teachings can be applied to the pursuit of Bigfoot. It's almost custom made for Bigfoot chasing! IMHO, Bigfoot and Native Americans have very much in common. Both are spiritually connected to the Earth and both possess a very high level of awareness. Maybe at one time, Bigfoot and Native Americans hung out and learned from one another, who knows? I bet the first lesson would be, "see that white man over there? Stay as far away from those as possible!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salubrious Posted July 27, 2012 Moderator Share Posted July 27, 2012 ^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VioletX Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Thanks Salubrious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OntarioSquatch Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Plussed ya JVDBogart. Those are excellent points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 I have yet to see a bigfoot in the suburbs of Toronto. Of course the city of Toronto is pretty much connected to other cities like Mississauga, Richmond Hill, Vaughan, so it would be more suburbs and more cities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 (edited) Also lots of cameras in suburbia...street cams, webcams, security cams...and people with guns, and dogs to wake these people up. It just isn't happening, otherwise there would be as much evidence as there is of porcupines or raccoons ripping it up at night. Even the coyotes can't make it through my neighborhood without being noticed, and I'm not talking about the missing cat posters at the mailboxes either. Street cams and webcams? Really? I don't think they are meaning downtown Las Vegas. The Orwellian society has not been fully implemented yet so I don't think this would be the case if you're talking the outskirts of Flagstaff or Payson, AZ. And even if something was caught on tape by some homeowner or shopowner, who's to say they would even share it. Maybe they don't want the attention. Not every piece of film and every night's security log is public record. I have heard of one Indian Gaming Casino having pretty convincing footage of a figure well over 7 feet messing with one of their grease bins in the parking lot, but they have held that tape from being released to the public because they do not want their reservation overrun by people trying to get a piece of glory. Also, have you had a chance to hear the 911 call that's posted on the BFRO site? It's pretty interesting. I'm pretty sure that guy thinks it just is happening. Edited July 27, 2012 by arizonabigfoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 (edited) Wtaylor - I'm also from south jersey. A while back, SouthJerseySasquatch posted a video of an auburn bigfoot who was standing and waving a frond in plain sight. He never even saw it until the video was reviewed by someone else. NJ just isn't that big and it's the most densely populated state in the nation, so it's fascinating to get these reports at all. I live adjacent to Burlington County, which has had a fair number of sightings. I also grew up in Suffern NY, about five blocks from Mahwah NJ. As a kid, we used to wander down near the old Shortline station (not far from the now Paddington condo sightings). Suburbia? Yes. But the whole area abuts part of the Appalachian Trail that travels down through Harriman and there are miles of gas lines criss crossing the Ramapo Mountains, as well as large game. Not to mention the old mines. Doesn't seem far fetched that an errant biggie could wander through populated areas using just the strategies that K Canyon theorizes. Just my two cents. Edited July 30, 2012 by Philaflash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 Wtaylor - I'm also from south jersey. A while back, SouthJerseySasquatch posted a video of an auburn bigfoot who was standing and waving a frond in plain sight. He never even saw it until the video was reviewed by someone else. NJ just isn't that big and it's the most densely populated state in the nation, so it's fascinating to get these reports at all. I live adjacent to Burlington County, which has had a fair number of sightings. I also grew up in Suffern NY, about five blocks from Mahwah NJ. As a kid, we used to wander down near the old Shortline station (not far from the now Paddington condo sightings). Suburbia? Yes. But the whole area abuts part of the Appalachian Trail that travels down through Harriman and there are miles of gas lines criss crossing the Ramapo Mountains, as well as large game. Not to mention the old mines. Doesn't seem far fetched that an errant biggie could wander through populated areas using just the strategies that K Canyon theorizes. Just my two cents. Philaflash - It's interesting that you mentioned Shortline since Weird NJ has an article submission from a few years ago that describes something large and hairy emerging from the woods momentarily near there. I have a pretty big list of sightings in NJ from 1960 to the present, or about 207 in total. Presumably some are hoaxes, fiction, or something else but most seem sincere. I put the list into two broad categories. The first category is, if there is such a thing as Bigfoot, this is where he would hang out (the Pine Barrens, the Kittatiny Mountains, large Wildlife Management Areas and State Parks. The second category is, if there is such a thing as Bigfoot I would not expect to see it there. (ie. populated areas, areas where it would be hard to get to unseen.) I put the Mahwah, Hudson County, and Eastern Monmouth County sightings into this category. The interesting thing about these areas is that there are some groupings. In Eastern Monmouth County, up near Atlantic Highlands, there were two reports by different people very close to each other in the large county park (Hartshorne Woods.) Individually, the reports would have been unbelievable, but together, they do raise some questions. Finally, I would just note that I have a second hand account from the 70s about some kids that were climbing pine trees in Ocean Township in an area that was still pretty wooded back then. The kids apparently came running out of the woods one day yelling that they had seen a gorilla at the top of the next tree over from the one they were climbing. I can just imagine the "gorilla" feeling safe and secure at the top of its tree, must have been pretty annoyed when a bunch of kids found its secret hiding spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 WT, so I was just going to tell you about the recent book I read about biggie in the nj burbs with more reports than I'd ever read. Then I looked at the author. My apologies. Back to Shortline. When we were kids in the 60's, we built a treehouse deep in those woods and extending towards Airmont. At first, a boys-only club, it was the scene of many a Pabst beer and teenaged fondlings. However, it was called the Taboo Hut because it was...odd there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Possible? Yes, it's just extremely improbable. It's hard for me to imagine a Sasquatch walking down the streets of NYC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VioletX Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 Possible? Yes, it's just extremely improbable. It's hard for me to imagine a Sasquatch walking down the streets of NYC. That would be Urban Sasquatch, not Suburban Saquatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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