Guest Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) @JLB.....LOL "knackered". Knackered in Canada means, well......., when one (usually a man) gets a hard blow to the soft tissue in the groin region. Yes and what I wanted to do to you last night ha! I think you're missing the point of the gurney issue. Maybe you're right, in that Musky does not know the difference between an EMS type gurney or a hospital gurney. However, I will point out that he did specifically mention "EMS" gurney, twice. In the interview, he often pointed out that he did not know or recognize different things but he was very specific about the gurney. Regardless, let's assume he does not know the difference. Ok? So, why are the arms laying at the side of the body? We already know that the body could not have fit on a hospital or EMS gurney and Musky did not mention a strap. However, he did mention they used something to support the additional length of the body. However, he did not think to mention something that was supporting the additional width of the body? This is a VERY relevant detail in his story. There's no way around it and details like this count, when all you have to go by is a story. Maybe he said it was gurning? I didn't hear any discussion of dermal ridges and/or fingerprints, did I miss that discussion??? Edited February 7, 2013 by JackiLB
Guest njjohn Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 Paper allows moisture to escape, plastic keeps it in which can degrade samples. Good catch.
Cotter Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 ^ Skyla, hair samples are indeed supposed to be collected in paper, gots something to do about degradation.
Guest Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) Someone on FB/FB posted this: Anyone with medical background explain why this is a red flag? ( why paper instead of plastic? ) There is a huge red flag here ,he said that it looked like professionals had cut some of the hair and put it in a plastic bag on the side of the gurney ,if you know anything about hair collection a plastic bag is the last place you want to put it ,the proper way is to put it in a paper envelope. Interesting! Is this a true statement though? I'm going to check that out. Thanks for that info! EDITED: I found this>>> What does the Brooks Lab do with the sample? Once a hair or blood sample is received at the Brooks Lab, it is assigned a random accession number which will be used to identify the horse/sample in all future talks and presentations. Hair samples are kept in binders in manila envelopes until it is time to extract DNA. Any hair submitted in plastic bags must be removed and transferred to an envelope because moisture trapped in plastic bags can damage the DNA on the hair bulb. Hair bulb DNA can be stable for years if kept in a cool, dry place. Edited February 7, 2013 by ronn1
Guest thermalman Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 I'm gonna speculate that RD is drumming up "hits-for-cash" on his website. This is how he makes his living. What better way to generate revenue for a stagnant site, then to have thousands of hits?
Guest Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) Leaving 'eh? How convenient. Edited February 7, 2013 by JackiLB
Rockape Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 I'm very familiar with what that means. Are you saying I am a tosser?
Guest Thepattywagon Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 This creature was allegedly killed when? Did Musky mention whether or not the body was cold to the touch, as in the temperature of a cold refrigerator? A tidbit I found on embalming: 3. Embalming does not preserve the human body forever; it merely delays the inevitable and natural consequences of death. There is some variation in the rate of decomposition, depending on the strength of the chemicals and methods used, and the humidity and temperature of the final resting place.
Guest Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) I'm very familiar with what that means. Are you saying I am a tosser? No Edited February 7, 2013 by JackiLB
Guest VioletX Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 I'm gonna speculate that RD is drumming up "hits-for-cash" on his website. This is how he makes his living. What better way to generate revenue for a stagnant site, then to have thousands of hits? I'm gonna speculate that RD is drumming up "hits-for-cash" on his website. This is how he makes his living. What better way to generate revenue for a stagnant site, then to have thousands of hits? In that case it is a win-win situation for him, . @ Clubbedfoot, It was a long interview, but what he said was he felt uncomfortable actually moving the body, he was not sure of the protocol. He did say there were black nails and hair between the fingers.
Rockape Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 No - just wondered if you knew what it meant? I dont know what it means you see - can you explain? Sorry, you're not going to bait me into your trap.
Guest njjohn Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 It still breaks down to evidence... remove what you believe and just look at facts. And there's not many, so throw out the speculation and you're left with.... nothing supporting this story. This creature was allegedly killed when? Did Musky mention whether or not the body was cold to the touch, as in the temperature of a cold refrigerator? A tidbit I found on embalming: 3. Embalming does not preserve the human body forever; it merely delays the inevitable and natural consequences of death. There is some variation in the rate of decomposition, depending on the strength of the chemicals and methods used, and the humidity and temperature of the final resting place. He said cold. Freezing was a no-no because it would damage the skin which was needed for forensic studies that were to be done later. If it's not nor has has been frozen, it couldn't have been preserved the way Musky describes the detail.
Guest Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 I posted this earlier but really do feel it's worth mentioning again - I sincerely believe this is viral marketing for the Minnow documentary. This sort of stunt-marketing is done all the time prior to a film's release. See link for some of the better (and most recent) viral campaigns: http://blog.moviefone.com/2011/06/07/super-8-best-viral-marketing-movies/ I'd love to eat crow but don't get duped ...
Guest Hawk-o Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 However... most non-medical people don't actually know the difference between an EMS gurney and a hospital gurney, so he could simply have used the incorrect term. Exactly! People wasting thier time on the Gurney statements.
Guest Posted February 7, 2013 Posted February 7, 2013 (edited) I'm gonna speculate that RD is drumming up "hits-for-cash" on his website. This is how he makes his living. What better way to generate revenue for a stagnant site, then to have thousands of hits? I don't think so. If this is a hoax...then the only way he could make serious money would be through the backing of Minnow in carrying this out...ie, showing a hoax as it actually unfolds. He could make very serious money if this is indeed true and he had backers (the other 7 partners). Just my take on the *profit* angle. Edited February 7, 2013 by ronn1
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