Rick Dyer Again (Continued)

[Guest]

I would like to see everyone who believes to be a hoax as well.

Start demanding the same Transparency you want from this to the other groups in bigfooting who say they have things yet don't show it because waiting for some such things.

We do.

[Guest]

Much of the story had to remain hidden for the hoax to continue. When it is blown wide open, we will know for sure that RD and MA have been telling lies. Works for me!

Well initially Dyer's story was blown out of the water - when he was found to have been the person who uploaded the tent video under a fake name - lied about his involvement - then had to admit it was him. I truly believe he thought he could pull this one - and no one would know it was him. If he hadn't been busted - we would still be wondering today - who that person was.

[Guest]

This is the 900 lbs Sasquatch in the room. Keep ignoring it. Maybe it will go away. Standard tactic. If you can't explain something away, ignore it.

What about Dyer's claims in 2010 that Bigfoot isn't real, and then his latest claim that in 2009, he went to investigate the couple's sighting behind home depot, and supposedly saw one? How does a man see a Bigfoot in 2009, and from then on, rail against the bigfoot community saying "Bigfoot is a scam!" and then all of a sudden, 2012, he believes in them? That's a major inconsistency. One that has been blatantly ignored by the Dyer proponents.

This is Dyer's old Blogtalkradio account from 2010. Notice the Host name: "BIGFOOT IS A SCAM!"

http://www.blogtalkr.../bigfoottracker

Then in October 2012, he changes his tune. He makes a new account. However, he doesn't delete the old account.

http://www.blogtalkr...gfoottrackerllc

I have found nothing in the 2010 episodes that even points to Rick mentioning anything about seeing a bigfoot in San Antonio in 2009. No, because he only made that up recently as a backstory for this new hoax.

Please Rick, explain this one away. I dare you.

Edited February 27, 2013 by PsyShroom

[Guest VioletX]

Interesting that the people at the end of the # 2 video with the homeless guy talk about seeing a dumpster diving Sasquatch.

[Guest]

I was talking specifically about the homeless guy and his story.

You talk about inconsistencies but you accept them from the homeless person. you give him a pass because you lived like that in your past.

​I am sitting and waiting and speculating is all. I am not blind to all the past stuff or what RD story changes. But for me its not skin of my shoulder waiting to see what happens.

Just in case it was missed. I related my story only because I know what it is to live in the conditions that the kid is living in, not to convey any sympathy.

The Dog? That was the kid's dog. He must have some reason to believe that Dyer hurt his dog. What that reason is, I don't know. You don't really "own" a dog. You adopt it and it becomes part of your family, and when someone hurts a member of your family, you are angry. Perhaps one of his neighbors had mentioned they saw RD being cruel to the animal or something. I don't know. All I know is that he suspects Rick had something to do with it. Pure speculation at this point. Maybe there will be a third installment and the people can ask the kid what makes him believe Rick had anything to do with his dog's death.

Well initially Dyer's story was blown out of the water - when he was found to have been the person who uploaded the tent video under a fake name - lied about his involvement - then had to admit it was him. I truly believe he thought he could pull this one - and no one would know it was him. If he hadn't been busted - we would still be wondering today - who that person was.

Perhaps Musky Allen was the person originally slated to claim a body?

[Guest]

Remember what the FBFB guys said in their last film, how not all the story has been told as so much of it has had to remain hidden. When this story is blown wide open, then you will know for sure if Rick and Musky have been telling lies.

Much of the story had to remain hidden for the hoax to continue. When it is blown wide open, we will know for sure that RD and MA have been telling lies. Works for me!

Excellent point.

Lee

It was all in the subtext.

Edited February 27, 2013 by Belmar

[Guest Thepattywagon]

To all those who are saying, "I choose to wait and see", I would ask you this.

Do you really think you have a choice?

There is no other option available for you as long as you continue to follow his story.

As long as Dyer controls the message, anyone following this mess is at his mercy, and your only choice is to accept his terms, or stop reading this thread.

[Guest]

I would like to see everyone who believes to be a hoax as well.

Start demanding the same Transparency you want from this to the other groups in bigfooting who say they have things yet don't show it because waiting for some such things.

Cath, we are not talking about recorded vocalizations, photographs, hair samples, broken finger nails or poo. We are talking about a dead bigfoot here. People who call themselves "bigfoot researchers" have their feet held to the fire on a daily basis by other self described researchers. So, their is a very fair amount of criticism (good or bad) within this community itself. I think you have already been pointed to the Ketchum thread. There are many others just like it.

In this case - we are discussing the dead body of a bigfoot. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. RD has provided nothing but talk - but that's his MO. Get as many people worked up into a frenzy as possible - get them to believe him - then he can run this for as long as possible. Ask yourself this, why did he say anything to begin with? You do know that the dead bigfoot portion of this story didn't happen until he was outed as the person who uploaded the tent video right? So, why did he wait? By RD's own timeline - the bigfoot was already dead. Yet - all he did was release a bad video.

What does he stand to gain by bringing out this dead bigfoot story - yet at the same time say - I can't show it to you yet? RD knew this would lite a fire under most everyone - from the true bigfoot believers - to the skeptics. He knew people would talk about it - which in turn gets his name out there again - and he can sell expeditions for 500 bucks a pop (if you believe he is). This is all a money game for Dyer.

When going over these stories - motivation is a very important factor. One which must be considered, especially when dealing with someone who has done something just like this before.

I am a field researcher - but I don't demand anything of anyone - I don't demand of myself and those I work with in the field.

[Guest]

Again, it has been pointed out that the Dyer proponents are cherry picking what the kid says. Kid says film crew was there, so the proponents decide he's telling the truth... until he says that he saw Rick leave and that he didn't leave with a body, then the proponents start insinuating that he's a drug addict, and his word cannot be counted on.

I'm not giving the kid a pass, where I am giving Musky and RD none. As far as I know the kid is either telling the truth or lying out his bum. I'm asking "Which is it?"

Either the kid is a dope addict and everything he says is a lie, OR you accept his whole testimony, even the parts that do not fit the Dyer narrative. The only inconsistencies involving this kid are the Pro-RD crowd cherry picking what he said.

Psy,

I said ok Lets accept the Kids story.

So lets see again:

1.) Film crew , British accents Confirmed there (Unlike one person saying that no filming crew was there)

2.) Confirmed RD was there. (Heck the kid even has a picture with him he says)

3.) 2 Shots were fired at night

4.) 2 SUV's were in the woods. (Doesn't say anything about a refrigeration truck)

5.) RD and him spoke

6.) He thinks RD killed his dog.

7.) He finds RD again he will kill him

8.) He says he didn't see no bigfoot or no bigfoots are around (yet 2 people confirm they have seen Bigfoot in the area as well as the 911 call)

9.) Confirms he works so he is not always around to see everything

10.) He wasn't around at one point for 4 days.

So again where would we be cherry picking the facts?

Right the fact others are in the area they couldn't have possibly killed the kids dog.

I have had many dogs in my life I know how tragic it is to loose one. You don't see how his attitude about RD changes from the 1st video (Yea I got a picture with him) to the 2nd I will kill him.

To all those who are saying, "I choose to wait and see", I would ask you this.

Do you really think you have a choice?

There is no other option available for you as long as you continue to follow his story.

As long as Dyer controls the message, anyone following this mess is at his mercy, and your only choice is to accept his terms, or stop reading this thread.

Right this is no different than any other Evidence. So waiting is all we can do.

@dopelyrics,

Let me tell you a story.

While back I went to a psychic. An old woman she lived in my town. You walk into the house and she as religious symbols all over the home.

I sat across from her in her dinning room. She asked me to cut a deck of cards and ask a question in my head as i did.

Handed the cards to her. She stated my question and answered it.

Then she began to talk about things looking off to the side. Now I was skeptical about many of the stuff. But she said something that she would not know about there is no way she could have known. She spoke about my 1 dog who had a bad hip from being tied to a tree and left to die, that i rescued from the pound. She also pointed out that he had elliptic seizures. She could not have known this since I didn't say anything about my pets to her. The were never listed anywhere. Yet she pinpointed these things with out me saying anything.

Then she spoke to me how my grandmother will pass away. She said that when my grandmother passes away that her son my uncle would come down and take her. now I never mentioned this to my mother. 2 years later. My grandmother passed away. My mother was at the bedside she heard my grandmother say her sons name my mothers brothers name and she looked at the foot of the bed and my mother say a white light.

Yes some people can be fooled.

But there are also things that we can't explain.

Heck we are on a sight about a creature many people have claimed to see. Are we all crazy?

Edited February 27, 2013 by CathMcmillan

[Guest]

@cath.....There is evidence worldwide to support the existence of bigfoot, you know the things RD says he doesn't pay any attention to? ( ie tracks, hair, vocalizations ) One can have that evidence and take what they want from it, but where's rick evidence? So far all we have is hear say and a questionable video.

But let's stay on track with what this thread is about........Rick Dyer. Discussing the existence of bigfoot can be found on many other threads if you'd like to make yourself familiar with them.

[dopelyrics]

Hi CathM,

Thanks for sharing your story, it's very interesting, for many different reasons. But it's a whole different story, one that we can perhaps talk about another time.

I'm sure you realise why I told you what I did, based on the question you asked.

Thanks again.

Lee

[adam2323]

Amazing 400 pages five months three previous hoaxes lies from the only witness. Its one thing to say lets wait and see and another completely different thing to staunchly support one of the biggest villians in the history of bigfooting. We who know this to be a hoax are waiting to see how the hoax ends. In the meanwhile we will continue to point out lies contadictins and double talk of one RD. All say this all great scams posses an element of just enough truth to fool people RD NOT the master tracker just the master munipulator and confirmed serial hoaxer.

Edited February 27, 2013 by adam2323

[LeafTalker]

Leaf

Thanks for sharing that...

Ronn, I don't dare thank you for the thanks, because people get so upset here when one person who thinks this story might be true says something nice to another person who thinks this story might be true.

Hey Leaf. RD brought it on himself, while you didn't. So you don't need to feel for him, as your stories are totally different.

Oh, Thermalman, yes I do. The hidden point in my story -- which I didn't dare underscore, because you're all so resistant to it -- is that nobody brings it on themselves. To say that "he brought it on himself" is an attempt to justify throwing stones at someone. There's no justification for that. You can propose another way of looking at the facts, as those facts seem to present themselves, and many people, both pro and con, have been doing that. It's just the name-calling that's not right. Let he who is without sin, etc., etc., etc. Nobody said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone -- although, if the would-be stone-caster has sinned, but there are lots of other people who also want to throw stones, then sure, go ahead and throw it." Have you ever seen a qualification like that? I haven't.

I am a field researcher - but I don't demand anything of anyone - I don't demand of myself and those I work with in the field.

I love this, Melissa. This is the crux of everything, right here! Thanks for that.

Edited February 27, 2013 by LeafTalker

[Guest]

For people who say they are "playing the waiting game" you seem much more enthusiastic about details that may support rick's claims than to the obvious holes

found in his story. I would love for anyone, including rick ( dont tell me to ask him myself. because I already did on midnight walkers ) to explain to me how if he had a sighting in 2009 that changed his belief in bigfoot....he would repeatedly say in 2010 bigfoot is a joke and a hoax.

[Guest]

Psy,

I said ok Lets accept the Kids story.

So lets see again:

1.) Film crew , British accents Confirmed there (Unlike one person saying that no filming crew was there)

2.) Confirmed RD was there. (Heck the kid even has a picture with him he says)

3.) 2 Shots were fired at night

4.) 2 SUV's were in the woods. (Doesn't say anything about a refrigeration truck)

5.) RD and him spoke

6.) He thinks RD killed his dog.

7.) He finds RD again he will kill him

8.) He says he didn't see no bigfoot or no bigfoots are around (yet 2 people confirm they have seen Bigfoot in the area as well as the 911 call)

9.) Confirms he works so he is not always around to see everything

10.) He wasn't around at one point for 4 days.

So again where would we be cherry picking the facts?

Right the fact others are in the area they couldn't have possibly killed the kids dog.

I have had many dogs in my life I know how tragic it is to loose one. You don't see how his attitude about RD changes from the 1st video (Yea I got a picture with him) to the 2nd I will kill him.

Points 1-10 are not disputed.

however, you missed this.

11. Saw RD on his last day there. Watched him leave. Did not see any bigfoot body.

12. No refrigeration truck (this point keeps getting ignored, but it was discussed in depth in the previoius RDA thread, that RD argued on his blogtalk show that he did haul the body away from the site with a refrigeration truck, and he has the receipt to prove he had such a truck)

Edited February 27, 2013 by PsyShroom