Urban Bigfoot, Seriously?

[Guest]

Going to give a few examples:

 

From BFRO:

STATE: Florida

COUNTY: Duval County

NEAREST TOWN: atlantic beach....in the city

NEAREST ROAD: mayport rd

OBSERVED: This just happened to me about 5:15am this morning. I stepped out on the balcony of my second story apartment I'm in Atlantic Beach fl. I live about 3 to 5 min from Hannah park. I turned on the back porch light as I walked out. I took about two or three steps out onto the balcony and I heard a loud screaching yell and then three woo whoo whoo noises. As I live and breathe that WAS the sound of a primate!! Immediately the dog in a fence of a neighbor's house right behind the apartment began barking like crazy for about 30 seconds and then stopped. It kind of freaked me out I thought, did an ape escape from Jax zoo or something? I crouched down a little on the balcony and watched the area. In about 5 min I could see the tree in the very back of the apartment back yard rustle a little and it was as if something was moving toward the fence. Then I heard two low grunts from the ground from inside the fence on the neighbors side. It is a privacy fence so I couldn't see what made the grunt. The way the fences are all I could hear were like footsteps moving along the fence toward the trees I saw one shadow really dark moving along the fenceline...it wasn't a person because the shoulders were way too wide and bulky and it wasn't even fully upright. It kind of lumbered along like an ape....people just don't move like that."

This is from Atlantic Beach florida, basically Jacksonville, Florida. A major city with a population of over a million people. I'm quite familiar with the location. Was just out there last week.

 

At most there are only thin patches of woods which a squatch could use to move about. But no doubt about it, that is major population and city in that area!

[dmaker]

Looks like DWA is choosing not to answer the question because either choice will contradict his previous statements on the matter. 

 

Guess what? Silence is not fooling anyone. We all noticed the contradiction whether you own up to it or not.

[Guest lightheart]

Delta Zu I wanted to address your post since the area where the report took place is about 3 miles or so from my house.

 

While I fully agree that Sasquatch can be found in  urban settings that have adjacent travel corridors I  have to question this particular sighting.

 

I ride my mountain bike in the park mentioned so I am very familiar with it. I have hiked the two nearby preserves a few times but have never seen anything but one fox and a few squirrels. I believe that the areas where bigfoot frequent need to have an abundance of large game such as deer, hogs, turkey etc. here in the south. Plenty of fresh water is an even greater need because they could probably survive on small game for a few days if they were just passing through. Hanna does have a small lake or two so I suppose that could count. The thing is that the only travel corridor that could connect this area with forest that would have appropriate resources is the Intracoastal Waterway. In this area there are homes all along the waterway and there really is no cover to speak of. The road that runs by there terminates at the Mayport Navy base. There is a very wide and deep channel that allows for navy ships and cruise liners as well as numerous ocean cargo vessels to pass through. The current is extremely strong. Now I know that they are supposed to be strong swimmers so maybe......but it is a stretch to imagine it. Now having said that ....somehow a black bear showed up in a neighborhood about 2 miles away from this sighting location. Fish and Wildlife speculated that it floated down from somewhere to the south. Go figure.

[Lake County Bigfooot]

Delta Zu, and Lightheart.... Lightheart I appreciate that you feel like you know the area and cannot see how a visitor of the sort described could make

and appearance here, however after examining the area and the surrounding area, reading the whole report, well to me far more seems to be on the

side of authenticity than a liar reporting, if she was mistaken she would not have so much description...I too felt like her only a year later than her encounter.

So for me I think the burden is to prove her wrong.  The surrounding area is absolutely full of resources that are connected by natural corridors of a

variety of approaches, so I have little issue with this one being legit.  Simply examine this image and tell me whether a stealthy intelligent creature of

the type I have encountered, and this encounter really has the same feel as mine, so maybe I am biased, but look at the many areas adjacent and

connected to the sighting!!

[Guest lightheart]

Lake County, It was not my intention to call her a liar and I really hope that I didn't come across that way in my post. I was not there and can only question the possible travel routes etc. 

I have looked at the possibilities on Google Earth. It may appear way more forrested than it is because the marsh grasses show really green on the images. There really is little cover to speak of. 

The forests in the small (very small) preserves and even Hanna Park are tree-covered but represent areas that have been conserved after the deer and other game have left. When you hike or bike through them there does not seem to be any wildlife. 

The reason I brought up the bear incident was to indicate that even though I would not expect to find Sasquatch traveling through this area, if a bear could somehow find its way to a neighborhood nearby ....well it is not impossible just unlikely IMHO.

[Lake County Bigfooot]

Lightheart, I did not mean to put on the spot, I only was challenging what I saw as possible habitat for a stealthy creature of this

nature.   You obviously know the area...Where I live there is little forested areas and marsh, and I personally have heard them

interacting within 100 yards, and my reaction was similar to the witness, which I must admit struck a chord with me when she

said it must have been primate, because when I heard the vocalization last summer I knew it was not any known animal, and being

an outdoorsman for nearly 45 years, yes I started at age 4 or 5, and I was avidly pursuing some hobby in that area all my life, well

I knew I encountered something unique!!!  The witness described the situation so well and in such detail that I must defer to her

experience, and considering the amount of habitat, grasses are indeed prime habitat make no mistake.  I think the wetter and

grassier the squatchier, that is my opinion, so I see this as prime habitat.  Eco systems are complex, I believe that Squatches

will primarily feed on the plant resources first, tubers and other plants, because of the likelihood of possessing a long gut, or

longer digestive tract that allows them to eat a variety of plants, then they will resort to animal life as a protein source and to

build of reserves...The Clearwater encounter is more familiar to me, and without me having experienced what I have I would have

dismissed it easily, but truth is I am more inclined to accept these accounts if they have the surrounding habitat, and this ecounter

seems to fit the bill, I admit I could be wrong...and this is only my opinion.

[Guest lightheart]

No problem Lake County. We are just here discussing and having fun pondering all this.

 

 

One thing too that is a consideration is that the Intracoastal Waterway is brackish so these are not fresh water inlets that you are seeing on the map. Also the marsh grass here is only about one foot tall.

 

I live on the Intracoastal Waterway and there is a small preserve near me (postage stamp size) and another small area that is not developed because it was a water plant years ago. I have seen several foxes out here that are skinny and not healthy in appearance. I once saw a bobcat about 4:00 am one morning. It is sad since these areas were once habitats for larger animals but even though preserved do not support them any longer.I have heard stories that people used to hunt on the island where I now live....... When I go to these parks for a walk it is just not the same as being in areas that are teeming with life. Except for the squirrels the areas seem strangely devoid of life.

 

I have to conclude that if indeed the witness saw two Sasquatches --they must have been lost. We do indeed have them here in North Florida but the corridor stops abruptly a few miles south of me because of extensive development.

Edited June 7, 2014 by lightheart

[Lake County Bigfooot]

Hmmm, the foot tall grasses and brackish water do pose a bit of a problem from a cover standpoint.  How far would they have to travel

in order to reach something taller say palmetto or slash pine areas? or is that area devoid of such cover?  I will reexamine the google

earth images to try to figure this one out, and this actually makes this account even more intriguing.  Thanks for all your thoughtful

input throughout this thread lightheart...

[Lake County Bigfooot]

 A little more investigation of the Atlantic Beach Sighting revealed I might have pinned the wrong area,

so this area a little north of where I originally pinned it would make more sense given what Lightheart

described further south....here is the updated notion, which still is near mayport rd.

[Guest lightheart]

Except for these postage stamp preserves , there are no palmettos. Everything is pretty much developed. My opinion is that the travel corridor ends south of me but continues down into Central FL

There is a second corridor from the Okeefenokee Swamp in Georgia that extends down through Central FL and runs along the St. Johns River. In my opinion there are some areas where it would be easy to move back and forth between the two.

 

Lots of habitat from North FL down to below Orlando. There is probably a third route that travels along the west coast of FL and connects to the Appalachicola region.

 

I think they are on the increase here in the state due to the wildlife corridors that are being established. 

Lake on the map keep going north and you will see that this park is rather small and stops at the Navy base. On base there is no cover to speak of. In my opinion the corridor stops well to the south and unless they were lost somehow probably not passing through because it stops abruptly. 

I agree 100% on the idea that urban sightings occur in unexpected places ---I just don't think that this area is a corridor unless they were lost.

Edited June 7, 2014 by lightheart

[Lake County Bigfooot]

Well my lack of posting is simply due to nothing new to add and long work days 14 hours and 75 hour weeks,

that's the golf business.  I am eager to see if my part time residents are going to return, everything is two weeks

behind this years so I have some fudge factor, the other factor is the apple tree that had a ridiculous bloom and

apples last year is counter balancing with no apples this year, so we shall see.  I never really had any proof that

they were eating them, even when I was throwing them to them.  I still think the main draw is the seclusion of

this particular marsh and the lack of pollution.  The tubors are like potatoes in a way, and are easy pickings.  Humans

are more than capable of digesting them and there are plenty of recipes.  I will be recording more as what we call

"hell week"at work has come to an end, and we return to a normal schedule....recent recordings in the last week or

two have yielded nothing, I mean nothing, no yotes, no owls, just a few toads and bugs....

 

I strongly encourage anyone with a urban account to add it to this thread for discussion, as that is the

best way to learn about these reclusive yet curious and opportunistic creatures.

Edited June 27, 2014 by Lake County Bigfooot

[Lake County Bigfooot]

Well this is not urban, but is certainly interesting!!!

Report # 41601 (Class A)

Submitted by witness on Tuesday, July 09, 2013.

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Multiple visits to a family and their rural mountain home

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YEAR: 2013

SEASON: Summer

MONTH: July

DATE: 1

STATE: Montana

COUNTY: Yellowstone County

LOCATION DETAILS: Omitted for privacy reasons

OBSERVED: For privacy I do not wish to disclose the location of our home. We are in the mountains and there are houses along the road we live on, but they are 1/4 to 2 miles apart. Our property has a large field with grasses and wildflowers, along with almost 6 acres of wooded forest and a wooded island. The property is located on a river with hard ground.

I moved to this property full-time 6 years ago and in retrospect things have been going on the entire time I have lived here, but I did not understand what was it was. Over the past three days I have put everything together and have found prints in my yard approximately 4 feet from the house.

A few nights ago my mother was sleeping in the guest house which is attached to the main house by a deck. The guest house is a log structure and has very thick walls. My mother called my cell phone (I was in the main house) at about 9pm panicked because she heard something tapping loudly on the side of the wall and wanted me to get our gun and go see what was making the noises. Needless to say I did not do this, we live in a part of the country where there are both grizzly and black bears, mountain lions and other dangerous animals. I told her to wait and if it did not stop to just run into the house. The noise stopped after about 5 minutes of loud tapping. (The next day I went out and tapped on the exterior of the wall and I couldn't even hear myself tapping because the river flow is so loud. There are no branches near the wall and nothing aside from a very strong man could make a tapping noise loud enough to be heard on the interior of the house. The windows were closed that night.) The same night my dog became very restless at about 2:30pm thinking he had to go potty, I tied him out on his lead. He immediately walked towards the field/woods as far as his lead would let him go and started getting really excited. Happy excited, the kind of excited he gets when he sees one of our family members he hasn't seen in a long time. He was wiggling and kind of squeaking like he wanted to play with whatever he saw. This was alarming to me because we are remote and I knew he saw something or someone so I put him back in the house. This is a dog who is very protective of our family and property. He never acts like this to anyone outside of our family and good friends he knows well. The following day my 4 year old daughter told me that the 'smelly big skunks in the trees like to play with xxx'. I thought she was being silly so I asked her what they were like she said (this is a direct quote from a 4 year old) 'the little ones don't smell, but the big mommie and the big daddy really smell bad.' At this point I asked her what they looked like and she told me they had two legs and come down from the tree when they see the dog. My daughter is never outside alone and I was trying to figure out how she could see these creatures without my mother or myself seeing them as well or without her telling us immediately that she saw something out of the ordinary. This is hard for me to wrap my brain around because I can't figure out how she can be seeing animals in our yard that we are unaware of. I have smelled a very disgusting odor on the property, but it was like a musky, BO, dead thing odor and I thought some animal had died on the property and could never find a body. Today I went out onto the property and found a small, but thick partial footprint in our front yard approximately 2 feet from our rock garden. I know this is not the track of any animal I have seen and it has defined toes that made a deep impression into our soil. The soil here is very hard, it has been raining and I believe this is why I am now finding a track. I also went around to the side of the guest house where my mother heard the tapping and saw what looks like a flattened area of grass in the shape of a very large footprint. No other flattened areas were found. I went along the other side of the guest house which is a narrow (1 foot wide) path along the river side of the guest house and found what appear to be large toe imprints. The only thing I could make out were what look like toe imprints. I have pictures of all of these tracks I have found.

Over the past 6 years of living here we have had strange things happen around the property, but attributed it to being absent minded or just ignored it. We would be in the guest house working at night, shut the door (not locked because nobody is out here) and the next day the door is open. We would have our garage door open in the morning and our older dogs (before this one) would refuse to go into parts of the woods with us and would growl at something in the middle of the night. One dog would always bark at the opposite side of the road looking up at the hill at 8:30 every night. We would get the 'willies' walking the property at night and have the feeling something is watching us through our windows.

ALSO NOTICED: When walking on a trail I found healthy trees that were pushed down. These were very large trees that had healthy root systems and were pushed down over a relatively new trail. I also smelled a musky, BO dead thing odor at this site.

OTHER WITNESSES: My 4 year old daughter is the witness

ENVIRONMENT: Our land is very lush and full of high foliage due to the rainfall we have had over the past two weeks.

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Follow-up investigation report by BFRO Investigator R. Monteith:

The witness and her four year old daughter live in a remote home outside a small town in Carbon County. She has had ongoing activity for many years and has lived in the house since 2007. Just recently she has realized that what has been going on is related to a family of sasquatches.

At first she thought she was just misplacing items. Then she began to think her property was haunted as it was once Native American land. Often she would discover small items disappearing only to reappear days or weeks later on a table or counter in plain view. Like many people who live in non-populated areas, she was in the habit of not locking her doors.

Prior to her daughter being born there were times she would hear her front door open and close, or she would wake in the morning to find the door open. Some food would disappear – there were many times she thought there should have been more fruit on the counter than there was, but she attributed it to being forgetful. She remembers not being able to find her sunglasses that she left in the kitchen, only to discover them on the open counter a few days later. The glass on her brand new oven door was broken from the inside out as if someone had opened it and put their hand or foot through it. She heard it break one night and when she got into the kitchen the oven door was open. There is a door next to the oven.

When her daughter was born she had special needs. The medical equipment did not fit into the bedroom so it was set up in the living area in front of the plate glass window. The crib and machines were visible. I mention this as I believe the sasquatches possibly “bonded†with the child by watching her nightly for over a year. I also believe that since the child “grew up†seeing the creatures, she is not frightened as most children would be.

Once the child could talk, she would tell her mother about “elk people†in the morning. The mother thought the child had vivid dreams until one night the child’s cries woke her up. When she got to the bedroom the child’s nose was bleeding and she told her mother that the “daddy elk people†had caused it. The bedroom window had been open.

Her daughter would talk about the “elk people,†daddy, mommy and two babies. She then started to call them the “skunk people†because the dad and mom smelled so bad. She would tell her mother that the “skunk people daddy" always asked for food. When asked how they spoke to her, the girl said, “just heard them in my ears.†She said they talk to her and they are happy and not scary. When they get wet they look 'skinnier'. She said they play with the dog when they are gone and they like the cat but she doesn't like them. She said they watch all the time and nobody sees them because they can 'look like trees' when they stand near them and the daddy sometimes looks green.

When the grandmother visited and stayed in the guest house the situation would change. Her mother was woken up by many bangs on the outside wall and announced the next morning that she wouldn’t stay in the guest house again because the bears were trying to get in all night. It was a few weeks later the grandmother admitted that she saw a face looking in the bathroom window and it wasn’t a bear, but it was big and hairy.

This was about the time they called the BFRO for help.

She shared photos taken of what she thought were possible prints. Not much detail was seen in her photos, this is one of what appears to be toes:

This is a photo she shared of a possible stick structure:

The investigation revealed that food was being taken from the garage and house refrigerators when no one was home.

Voices can be heard on the property, but because of the creek nearby the audio is not clear.

The young girl announced that the “skunk people†played with the dog and that was why they had been banging on the house at night. She told her Mom that "the mommy who bangs on the wall is a lot bigger than you". She says they bang on the house because they want her to get them food and play with them. The mother would let the dog out at night when the banging would start and the dog would return smelling bad and exhausted. Because the dog (a great dane mix) acts happy and eager to run outside we assume they do play together. This dog will become somewhat aggressive when a stranger comes to the home.

This is a drawing the girl made of the "Daddy Skunk People":

Several items have been discovered by the owner on her deck by the front door– a piece of rock that resembles an arrowhead; part of a robin’s egg; and flowers from a plant that is not found on the property were left on her daughter's frisbee. These may be "gifts", see photos:

She returned home one night to find parts of a plastic flower arrangement in her daughters room, near the window. It is not hers and she has never seen them before.

In August the mother saw one outside her daughter’s bedroom window when she was making the bed. Artist and BFRO Investigator Sybilla Irwin produced this sketch based on her description:

She believes they were also getting in her garage because she would find the door left open. She thought they had even gotten in her car because somehow several things had been jammed under the seat. She discovered this hand print on her car in the garage:

The fingerprints on the car, and others found on a window, were lifted and sent to Jimmy Chilcutt, a human and primate fingerprint expert for analysis. The prints were not clearly identifiable to be either, although they were determined to be fingerprints. If more fingerprints become available we will at least have something to compare them to. Thank you Jimmy Chilcutt for your time and expertise.

The owner started locking the doors which started a flurry of more pronounced activity as they were no longer getting into the house for food and were acting frustrated. The banging on the house and roof produced considerable damage and kept them up at night.

The actions of the “locals†were not welcome in several ways. Once home damage, home banging and stone throwing - harassment became constant. It was agreed boundaries needed to be set for safety and peace of mind. The owner found the situation to be very scary and threatening. Outside sensor lights and burglar alarms were added. Trees near the house were cleared so they could no longer be used for cover.

Some mistakes were unknowingly made and over time they needed to change. Like many habituators this mother in some ways wanted to encourage interaction mostly out of curiosity, but she soon learned that when dealing with sasquatches - things can become unpredictable. The noise and damage became too much. It was agreed that feeding on occasion far from the house (we wanted them to understand that the house was off limits) could happen, but not enough where they would rely on the owner. No one likes change and neither do sasquatches. Special thanks to BFRO Investigator Ronie Powell who contributed her investigative experiences to this habituation.

The owner remains in contact with me even as the activity has quieted down.

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About BFRO Investigator R. Monteith:

R. Monteith has had a life-long interest in Bigfoot and has an extensive background in outdoor land and ocean survival as well as mountaineering. She has tran-sailed the Atlantic, backpacked in remote places throughout the world and has climbed three of the seven summits. She studied International Relations at Florida International University, and is a Financial Consultant. She has participated in many private expeditions as well as the 2011, 2012, 2013 & 2014 BFRO North Florida Expeditions and the 2013 BFRO UP Michigan & Alabama Expedition. See more Information at The Florida BFRO

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[Gotta Know]

^Now THAT is a report. The photos mentioned are not showing up for me. Hardly matters, though. Mental imagery is quite sufficient.

[Drew]

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/bigfoot-spotted-in-detroit/24554634

 

Detroit home to a new Urban Bigfoot.

 

Also, why is this thread pinned, did I miss an earth shattering revelation or something?

[chelefoot]

Once a thread reaches "Hot" status (which this one did back when it was first started) it gets pinned until it is closed to start a "Part 2" thread.