Lake County Bigfooot Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) Besides there are several from adults included, and they all seem really credible, I admire them for their guts to come forward when probably no one else is willing, Some states will have far less reports simply due to the lack of population near suitable areas, I am sure no one is really squatching in Nebraska, besides my brief foray. I think the only state that is exempt from discussion is Hawaii, and that is what the record states...every other state has at least a few sightings. Edited October 23, 2013 by Lake County Bigfooot
Guest LarryP Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 The Miniature Menahune of Hawaii http://www.weirdus.com/states/hawaii/stories/menehune/
Guest Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Not midwest, but just tall grass This on the other hand, looks fake, but the date is really old, before BF was popular again.
Incorrigible1 Posted October 23, 2013 Posted October 23, 2013 Yep. They're called caves. Nebraska caves. An oxymoron.
Guest LarryP Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Are you making the claim that there are no caves in Nebraska?
Guest Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Here is something from Cliff B's site from the show. This is what worried me, as I have about the same view out the camper, only not so high, but this area is about 20-30 miles from me, again, not the midwest, but (they were caught) out in the open in broad daylight. They can use hills to hide, and on weekdays, there is next to no-one out in this area, very windy. This is by Lost Creek wilderness and the famous BFRO Colorado site where people reported one walking in the snowstorm : Zack and Trinity are a father/daughter pair of witnesses that observed two possible bigfoots walk across an expansive open meadow. The creatures were at a large distance, easily a couple hundred yards, but their sighting was so long that they had more than ample opportunity to observe the figures. The area where their encounter occurred has several Native American archeological sites nearby, and there are no less than seven different springs that feed a swampy area in the low-lying areas of the valley. The creatures were moving from the more forested side of the valley towards a V-shaped opening that leads to an adjacent valley. The previously mentioned swamp is near this opening, and a small creek flows into the lower valley. Our recreation indicated that the two creatures were approximately 9 feet and 7.5 feet tall. Besides their size, humans can reasonably be ruled out because they didn’t break their stride at all as they easily stepped over a 42.5 inch-tall barbed wire fence.
Guest Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 But that's the very problem people like Meldrum (and other authoritative figures) have with understanding the issue(s). They create broad brush concepts of "wilderness" to define where they can only be, and everyone else fills in the blanks. It isn't about how many roads do or don't line the way to or thru where they live. It's about overall lack of human population present in areas where BF *can* live if they choose to. *If it's not "wilderness" the BF can't be there*.... again, shows a lack of simple understanding how complex the real issues are. How complex can it be. Midwest states do not seem to fit the prime habitat, even before white settlement which took much of the suitable areas. One mile grids of corn and wheat doesn't seem to fit what a group of large, bipedal primates need. 7 million acres of roadless areas seem to fit the bill a little more. Is that unreasonable to you? Add another 2 million for the Selway Bitterroot wilderness that is only separated by the Frank Church by the Magruder corridor. Biggest in the lower 48. Add 200K+ acres for Gospel Hump and probably 1 million or two of defacto wilderness and you have 6-7 million acres of pristine habitat.
GuyInIndiana Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 How complex can it be. Midwest states do not seem to fit the prime habitat, And there you have it in a nut-shell. You have expectations that want to jam a square object in a round hole, so it simply can't be possible, if it doesn't fit your expectations.
Incorrigible1 Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 Black bear thrive in Nebraska, too. ::sarcasm/::
Lake County Bigfooot Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 (edited) If there is any validity to the sighting data, including the west coast sightings, than we have to view Sasquatch as a creature that has the ability to adapt to a large variety of settings, otherwise throw out all the sighting data. Yes Nebraska is not ideal habitat, but to suppose that Sasquatch are not able to adapt there behavior to eek out an existence here, would preclude many areas, and dismiss many sighting reports. I am not quite ready to do that, as I feel the honest people who came forward deserve another explanation. Besides the vast expanses of uninhabited land impress me as a great way to hide or blend in to the surroundings. Edited October 24, 2013 by Lake County Bigfooot
salubrious Posted October 24, 2013 Moderator Posted October 24, 2013 How complex can it be. Midwest states do not seem to fit the prime habitat, even before white settlement which took much of the suitable areas. One mile grids of corn and wheat doesn't seem to fit what a group of large, bipedal primates need. 7 million acres of roadless areas seem to fit the bill a little more. Is that unreasonable to you? Add 200K+ acres for Gospel Hump and probably 1 million or two of defacto wilderness and you have 6-7 million acres of pristine habitat. There have been sightings in both the Pine Ridge and Rosebud Indian reservations- both of which are very close to the Nebraska border. Pine Ridge is *on* the border). Again, there are enough sightings in the area that Finding BF deigned to do an episode there. Unless you have been there and seen it, you may not realize how wooded it is! At any rate the area is not heavily populated- there being places in Nebraska where the population density is the lowest of anywhere in the lower 48. However there is a pretty well-known BF sighting that was apparently caught on an Indian Casino security cam in Oklahoma. In this case the casino and reservation are well out on the flats with no woods at all- similar terrain to Nebraska. There is a Bigfoot Show podcast from several years ago that focused on this sighting.
Guest Urkelbot Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 I think you just have to be realistic about this. Yes maybe Bigfoot could exist in the midwest states with minimal forests. But it's unlikely. If Bigfoot exists the population numbers must be low. I think meldrum estimated a few thousand in the west. That's not a healthy population living in a large area with vast stretches of wilderness. If they can't find the resources to support a robust population there how would it be possible on the measly scraps in Nebraska?
Guest DWA Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 If there is any validity to the sighting data, including the west coast sightings, than we have to view Sasquatch as a creature that has the ability to adapt to a large variety of settings, otherwise throw out all the sighting data. Yes Nebraska is not ideal habitat, but to suppose that Sasquatch are not able to adapt there behavior to eek out an existence here, would preclude many areas, and dismiss many sighting reports. I am not quite ready to do that, as I feel the honest people who came forward deserve another explanation. Besides the vast expanses of uninhabited land impress me as a great way to hide or blend in to the surroundings. Precisely. Folks. YOU ARE TELLING ME YOU THINK BIGFOOT IS REAL, and now you're coming up with all this 'expertise' about where this thing-that-isn't-real-but is, IS? What the evidence tells me is that if one walked down Fifth Avenue, NYC, in broad daylight, end to end, one person MIGHT report it but naaaaaaaaah, they'd call him crazy. So you're ruling out Nebraska? Oh, OK. Sorry, I don't call honest people liars without good cause. Everything else that used to live there but doesn't now is not there because we saw to it. How does one see to dispose of something one doesn't acknowledge?
salubrious Posted October 24, 2013 Moderator Posted October 24, 2013 I think you just have to be realistic about this. Yes maybe Bigfoot could exist in the midwest states with minimal forests. But it's unlikely. If Bigfoot exists the population numbers must be low. I think meldrum estimated a few thousand in the west. That's not a healthy population living in a large area with vast stretches of wilderness. If they can't find the resources to support a robust population there how would it be possible on the measly scraps in Nebraska? I've already had a few encounters here in the Midwest. It was unlikely that such a thing would happen, but it did. Precisely. Folks. YOU ARE TELLING ME YOU THINK BIGFOOT IS REAL, and now you're coming up with all this 'expertise' about where this thing-that-isn't-real-but is, IS? What the evidence tells me is that if one walked down Fifth Avenue, NYC, in broad daylight, end to end, one person MIGHT report it but naaaaaaaaah, they'd call him crazy. So you're ruling out Nebraska? Oh, OK. Sorry, I don't call honest people liars without good cause. Everything else that used to live there but doesn't now is not there because we saw to it. How does one see to dispose of something one doesn't acknowledge? I dunno about expertise in matters BF. In this regard there are no experts. But, yes, BF is real, and they apparently live in the Midwest as elsewhere. They must be adaptable or something, like deer and coyotes are. Just a guess of course, no-one including myself is an expert....
Guest DWA Posted October 24, 2013 Posted October 24, 2013 I've already had a few encounters here in the Midwest. It was unlikely that such a thing would happen, but it did. That people with no apparent reason to lie are reporting bigfoot in the Midwest is just as compelling as that they are reporting it elsewhere. This thing isn't supposed to be real. If we are tossing out Midwest...why not just toss 'em all? No reason a scientist could give me to toss Midwest reports scans, from any scientific standpoint. Everything we think we know about this, well....I'll just say....what's your proof? Exactly. I dunno about expertise in matters BF. In this regard there are no experts. But, yes, BF is real, and they apparently live in the Midwest as elsewhere. They must be adaptable or something, like deer and coyotes are. Just a guess of course, no-one including myself is an expert.... No one is until somebody shows me they are by (1) proving it and (2) telling me more about it, firsthand ....AFTER they prove it.
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