Guest diana swampbooger Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 JG, the texting 1111111111 are the low level feds playing games. Also the minimum wage geeks messed with my computer. I see they're here also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 (edited) I'd like to add that no one is interrogated unless they allow it. Period. And PI's have no authority to do anything really. If Travis was a Juvenile, then Bob would have to allow LEO's to interview him. Those are facts, unless we go down the extra-governmental rabbit hole. In that case, I haven't a clue and just don't accept that sort of thing. Hello Johnny G, in experience I would agree on some points and disagree on others but it was still a good post. Theoretically speaking, as it could have or would have applied in the Campsite Destroyed situation in humble opinion there is a vast difference between interview and interrogation. Let’s say somebody was interviewed, they are not detained and technically free to leave. All the chatter, the questions and answers are friendly or stern but the individual is free of movement and can choose to answer the questions or not, that is an interview or sometimes also referred to as field contact. On the other hand interrogation is quite different. The individual subject to an interrogation is detained; Mirandized, not free to leave and the line of questioning are not let’s say, so friendly. To reach that point I believe it would be fair to suggest the individual has become focus of an investigation (serious criminal event in nature) and the rest speaks for itself. The individual can choose to speak and answer questions but the moment he invokes his right to an attorney all questioning is suppose stop until an attorney is present. I agree with you on the questioning of minors with parents present and private investigators have no police powers however, many do have a vast mutual working relationship with LEO’s and many are themselves current or former LEO’s. So theoretically, you can understand how it is possible for someone to interrogated by (if that was the claim) a private investigator without violating the spirit of the law technically. Although if it were known and brought before a judge, I don’t think they would be happy about it but most people are not that savvy and are clueless. So more to your point, if the hypothetical individual is interrogated by a private investigator there are no constraints of Constitutional Rights as the PI is under no mandate to provide them as LEO's are but they can tip the illegally gotten information over to a LEO who can use the information and circumvent the standards. Make sense? Edited June 5, 2015 by Gumshoeye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Divergent1 Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 1111111111111........have you gotten several telemarketer calls recently? That was me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockape Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 JG, the texting 1111111111 are the low level feds playing games. Also the minimum wage geeks messed with my computer. I see they're here also. I'll be shutting down your computer now, thanks for playing. And be at the IRS office bright and early Monday morning with all your records. Those are facts Careful. These people don't like facts. Facts make them angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 JG, the texting 1111111111 are the low level feds playing games. Also the minimum wage geeks messed with my computer. I see they're here also. I was asking because I don't know what all those 1's are supposed to mean. I'm not sure what a "low level fed" is either. If we go down that road of extra-governmental activity/shadow-ops, logic would dictate these would be high-level "operators". I mean, a vast government conspiracy at a high enough level to summon Blackhawk helos would not involve minimum wage "geeks". I wouldn't think harassing texts wouldn't be part of the program either. Not sure if the "they're here also" is directed at me or not. Hello Johnny G, in experience I would agree on some points and disagree on others but it was still a good post. Theoretically speaking, as it could have or would have applied in the Campsite Destroyed situation in humble opinion there is a vast difference between interview and interrogation. Let’s say somebody was interviewed, they are not detained and technically free to leave. All the chatter, the questions and answers are friendly or stern but the individual is free of movement and can choose to answer the questions or not, that is an interview or sometimes also referred to as field contact. On the other hand interrogation is quite different. The individual subject to an interrogation is detained; Mirandized, not free to leave and the line of questioning are not let’s say, so friendly. To reach that point I believe it would be fair to suggest the individual has become focus of an investigation (serious criminal event in nature) and the rest speaks for itself. The individual can choose to speak and answer questions but the moment he invokes his right to an attorney all questioning is suppose stop until an attorney is present. I agree with you on the questioning of minors with parents present and private investigators have no police powers however, many do have a vast mutual working relationship with LEO’s and many are themselves current or former LEO’s. So theoretically, you can understand how it is possible for someone to interrogated by (if that was the claim) a private investigator without violating the spirit of the law technically. Although if it were known and brought before a judge, I don’t think they would be happy about it but most people are not that savvy and are clueless. So more to your point, if the hypothetical individual is interrogated by a private investigator there are no constraints of Constitutional Rights as the PI is under no mandate to provide them as LEO's are but they can tip the illegally gotten information over to a LEO who can use the information and circumvent the standards. Make sense? Interesting theory. As you know, I'm not much for conspiracies and shadow-ops, but having PI's do the dirty work to avoid official constraints would make sense. Any possible prosecution would be absolutely poisoned by that sort of thing, but it sounds like harassment is the goal being claimed anyway. Agreed on the points about prior LEO's as PI's and maintaining those relationships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 I was asking because I don't know what all those 1's are supposed to mean. I'm not sure what a "low level fed" is either. If we go down that road of extra-governmental activity/shadow-ops, logic would dictate these would be high-level "operators". I mean, a vast government conspiracy at a high enough level to summon Blackhawk helos would not involve minimum wage "geeks". I wouldn't think harassing texts wouldn't be part of the program either. Not sure if the "they're here also" is directed at me or not. Interesting theory. As you know, I'm not much for conspiracies and shadow-ops,( Neither am I but, I cannot be accused of being naïve either.) but having PI's do the dirty work to avoid official constraints would make sense. Any possible prosecution would be absolutely poisoned by that sort of thing, but it sounds like harassment is the goal being claimed anyway. Agreed on the points about prior LEO's as PI's and maintaining those relationships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 And be at the IRS office bright and early Monday morning with all your records. Now that's harassment! A bit more effective than texting It appears I'm not immune from this activity either. I've recently received a number of recorded calls trying to lure me out of the country with promises of a free cruise. I knew it was too good to be true. I wonder what devious plan "they" had in store for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerhunter Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 In regards to the IRS thing, are you insinuating that you are one of those fellas from India doing the scam thing? A guy from India called me a few months ago claiming he was from "Windows Security". I asked the guy which computer he was talking about - Windows 98, XP, Windows 7 or 8? As he tried to figure it out which took him quite some time, I told him I had no computer (a big fib), then he told me he was sorry for bothering me! Now back to the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diana swampbooger Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Let me see....why would all these little alphabet bots want to keep boogers all to themselves? Well, money. Where does the money come from? You ask yourself, who has really, really, really deep pockets, willing to hire bots to pull strong arm tactics & has a keen interest in keeping an Hominidae, very close akin to ourselves, away from scientific inquiry? Probably forgot a few other tricks 1. big pharma: for testing purposes 2. government: don't care category 2. extra-terrestrials: don't care category 3. Nobel chasing scientists: " 4. government controlled media: " 5. whatever yup, back to big pharma ^^^^ I'm finding it difficult to disprove the big pharma angle Anybody have some other ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 DS, So, it's not Uncle Sugar who's doing this harassing, but big pharmaceuticals? Sasquatch on experimental Viagra. Now THAT is scary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diana swampbooger Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 DS, So, it's not Uncle Sugar who's doing this harassing, but big pharmaceuticals? Sasquatch on experimental Viagra. Now THAT is scary Say JG, do you suppose drones are used to 'gps tag' boogers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Now that's harassment! A bit more effective than texting It appears I'm not immune from this activity either. I've recently received a number of recorded calls trying to lure me out of the country with promises of a free cruise. I knew it was too good to be true. I wonder what devious plan "they" had in store for me Being mindful of what is being said online is crucial and embracing about some of the more shadowy parts of the topic as suggested here are difficult to reconcile for some . Unless you rode that pony it’s difficult to grasp the idea. Our natural tendency is to fill in the blanks with what we think is the reality and scoff at the topic. I still maintain I don’t know what happened involving that torn up campsite all through this thread and none of us do. When I mentioned how the chronological order of events evolving from Garrett story and suddenly to SC reminded me of military psi-ops where do you think these men and women go when they leave the military? They are masters of their trade and there is big demand for their skill sets. Legal deception, trickery, ruse or role playing combined with misinformation and disinformation with enormous resources is how the game is played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodslore Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 This is a thought someone offered me in a passing conversation. What if some of these government groups that show up and "close" down someone are a hoax themselves. Not the person hoaxing by saying the feds came and shut be down but the people claiming to be the "feds" are the hoaxers. It would not be that far fetched. People fake being police, fire fighters, military, EMT's. No different than a scam really. Just wondering as it was an interesting thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockape Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Now that's harassment! A bit more effective than texting It appears I'm not immune from this activity either. I've recently received a number of recorded calls trying to lure me out of the country with promises of a free cruise. I knew it was too good to be true. I wonder what devious plan "they" had in store for me In regards to the IRS thing, are you insinuating that you are one of those fellas from India doing the scam thing? A guy from India called me a few months ago claiming he was from "Windows Security". I asked the guy which computer he was talking about - Windows 98, XP, Windows 7 or 8? As he tried to figure it out which took him quite some time, I told him I had no computer (a big fib), then he told me he was sorry for bothering me! Now back to the topic. Yeah, so we'll need the both of you at the IRS office bright and early Monday morning too. Bring a suitcase because you'll be offered a free cruise to Gitmo afterwards. You'll love it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWWASAS Posted June 6, 2015 BFF Patron Share Posted June 6, 2015 Quite frankly if someone showed up to me, claimed he was with some federal agency but did not show ID, I would be more inclined to think it was some BF researcher trying to find out what I know or where I go. For the most part some of the lazy ones seem to be more inclined to get involved in deception of various kinds, be it puppets or stuffed things in freezers, so why not pretending to be federal agents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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