Rockape Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 Why would that be a reason? Quoting Mr. Steenburg here... Also again according to Albert s story this same old Indian gent is said to have mentioned the name Sasquatch as they talked with each other. I find this odd since the name Sasquatch was not coined until 1929 in a magazine articular, Titled, "Introducing B.C.s hairy Giants" by J.W. Burns. And Albert s classic tale is from 1924, 5 years before the name was first published. Of course Albert did not tell his tale until 1957 and by then Sasquatch was a house hold word in Canada. Not surprisingly I dismiss Ostman's account as a campfire story. It's a great campfire story and deserves its place in Bigfootery Folklore. Nothing more. Agreed. The Cowman of Copalis Beach is a great story too, but I know it's fiction. Still enjoy them, like Ostman's, which I also consider fiction.
Guest Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 What evidence 'Sasquatch'' was a ''household word'' in 1957? Even in Canada? No way Its a household word now because of Finding BF. I've seen a magazine cover with a skinny female squatch on it from a sporting magazine from that time period. So it may have been talked about, and would be rational that he would mention it because it may have leaked out in a small way, and was public knowledge as a ''story'' in some outdoor magazines. Holding the story for that period of time is SOP for lots of people, that is not unusual, that is the NORM.
Rockape Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 <What evidence 'Sasquatch'' was a ''household word'' in 1957? Even in Canada? No way> Did you do some research on that or just pull it out of your bu...rain. 1
Guest Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 (edited) No. At lest not normal circumstances. In this case it was simply a clerk who not only told me that any such records dating that far back are ether disposed of, or in some dust covered file box somewhere. He wasn't even sure which detachment would have been informed of such a report in 1924? In other times I found the police to be quite helpful when they have been involved in Sasquatch reports. at other times they just give you that look, and smile to them selves. It really depends on who you are dealing with and at times their personal attitude towards the whole question. At one time when I was in Western Alberta I had a pretty good relation with the RCMP in and around Canmore and Banff, as well as the Stoney tribal police, and when anyone contacted them to report something they gave the witness my contact information. But as for any normal and on going cooperation from any police force as far as the Sasquatch question goes, its a roll of the dice. Thomas Steenburg Yes I understand what your saying. Even in an official capacity it was darn tough for us to get reports to and from agency to agency because of the third party rule they have there but it did occur from time to time. Here in the U.S. it was always pretty straight forward and free about sharing information but in Canada they were warned against the practice of sharing information like that. Dumping old archives is pretty common I believe. I seen our agency hire a private contractor to come in with industrial size trucks with shredding machines and reports that want to dump are no more. A friend of mine who worked down in Columbus, Ohio the same thing, purged thousands of old records the same way. Edited June 16, 2015 by Gumshoeye
Guest Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 Quoting Mr. Steenburg here... But Ostman was paraphrasing: "....some people said a Sasquatch killed him. At that time I had never heard of a Sasquatch. So I asked what kind of an animal he called a Sasquatch..." Pretty likely (if true) Roe had forgotten what the Indian name was that he heard and called them Sasquatch based on the media term that was current at the time in the 1950s.
Rockape Posted June 16, 2015 Posted June 16, 2015 It's possible he used the word sasquatch due to the power of suggestion. Still don't believe him though.
MagniAesir Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 What evidence 'Sasquatch'' was a ''household word'' in 1957? Even in Canada? No way Its a household word now because of Finding BF. I've seen a magazine cover with a skinny female squatch on it from a sporting magazine from that time period. So it may have been talked about, and would be rational that he would mention it because it may have leaked out in a small way, and was public knowledge as a ''story'' in some outdoor magazines. Holding the story for that period of time is SOP for lots of people, that is not unusual, that is the NORM. I wasn't born in 1957 but I can tell you by the late 1960's the term sasquatch was a household word in British ColumbiaMy grandmother gave me my first sasquatch book in 1973
Guest Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 I wasn't born in 1957 but I can tell you by the late 1960's the term sasquatch was a household word in British Columbia My grandmother gave me my first sasquatch book in 1973 That is interesting, was it because of the Patty film? (care to speculate?)
BC witness Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 That is interesting, was it because of the Patty film? (care to speculate?) I don't think that would be the case here in BC, where Thomas, Magniaesir, and I all live, Wag, as the figure in the PGF is always reffered to, at least in US reports, as BigFoot, not Sasquatch. I was reading newspaper accounts of sightings in the late '50s and all through the '60s here in BC, and until the popularity of the TV show we all love to hate, Sasquatch was the term used by local reporters. Some of John Green's books were published during this period, I recall reading them in my teens ('57 - '64) so the term was well established here pre PGF.
BobbyO Posted June 17, 2015 SSR Team Posted June 17, 2015 Thomas, would you mind giving me your thoughts on what I wrote below a few years back pretty please ? Thank you. http://bigfootforums.com/index.php/topic/30403-albert-ostman/?p=582211 I personally think the Guy got his locations mixed up, but if he says he made his way up the Toba then we'd have to assume he did.. Assuming this is true however,, i don't believe that he could be sure of being taken 25 Miles North/North East of the Toba by a Sasquatch ( he actually said 10 Miles in what i read ), especially with, as you pointed out, him coming out down by the Sechelt Inlet. That would say to me that he got taken South/South East instead, it would also mean that Mt Baker would have been more likely with regards to visibility. Anyway's, he believed that he had made 10 Miles or so from the head of the Toba Inlet in a North/North East direction when he first noticed disturbances.. He said he was awake for around about 3 hours inside the Sleeping Bag until they reached their destination & was asleep when he was picked up, speed would be unknown but was " going at a trot for a long time ".. He actually said he was awakened when he was picked up but half aseep, then said he had " no idea when it started as i was asleep when he picked me up ".. On his " escape " he made 3 miles in " record time " & then headed West emerging 2 days later on the Salmon Arm of Sechelt Inlet.. He simply must have headed South/South East whilst in the Sleeping Bag, towards the Sechelt Inlet but on the East side of the Jervis Inlet.. The distance from Ostman's alleged Camp which is inclusive of the 10 Miles North East he thought he made from landing at the head of the Toba, to the middle of the Salmon Arm is around 60 Miles.. If we are to assume that Ostman was taken South by the Sasquatch, then in 3 hours the Sasquatch would need to have been going at a pace of around 15 Miles per hour on average for those 3 hours or so that he was aware he was being transported, to be there or thereabouts & within the time & distances.. Who knows how quick a Sasquatch would travel " on level ground and was going at a trot for a long time "... That's just a rough outline anyway but close i'd guess, to what would have had to have happened..
Shelly Posted June 17, 2015 Posted June 17, 2015 Its interesting what some people view as creditable or believable versus fake or made up or whatever. Taken at face value, I find Ostman's story to be fairly sound and creditable sounding. Yeah it has some odd details, and those could also be explained as Ostman embellishing a few things to pad the story out when he told it, or even his memory filling in some blank spots. After all, he told the story a quarter of a century after it supposedly happened. You can forget a lot (or invent a lot) of details in 25 years. Others believe habituation stories, gifting and interaction stories, stories of psychic bigfoot, or whatever. I personally do not put much credence in most of those but that is just how I see things.
steenburg Posted June 19, 2015 Posted June 19, 2015 Bobby O. In response to your post # 40. I agree with all the inconsistency you point out, That is why I just consider the Albert Ostman tale a Sasquatch classic from the past. Far to late to confirm or dismiss. But I should point out if someone came out with such a tale today, I would insist on a lot more than just, Take my word for it. I never met Albert. He passed away around the time I was just getting started. But I did go over the the story in great detail with both John Green, and the later Rene Dahinden, And i did over a period of about 4 years, to try and find some sort of confirmation that he was even in the areas in question at the time, let alone encountered a family of Sasquatch? I found nothing. But the Albert stuck to the story till the day he died, and never took any money for the publication of it, even turning down a little that was offered to him from American National when he agreed to tell his story in front of the camera. This, (According to Rene) was his attitude. "Sure go ahead use it, I don't care if anyone believes it , I know what happened to me". So for me personally the Albert Ostman tale, is one of the classics and unfortunately destined to remain only that. Thomas Steenburg
Terry Posted June 19, 2015 Posted June 19, 2015 I read once (and I can't remember where) that there was the same type of story back in the old country where he was from. It was thought that could have given Albert the idea and he made it his story as well. t.
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