My Perspective and questions for you all

[PBeaton]

13 hours ago, FarArcher said:

 

James33,

 

All those are really good questions that I fear will go unanswered for a long time.  I was in the camp that it was fun to think of such a creature - but it just didn't exist., and even then, it would only make me think about it when it would be mentioned by someone else or some reference in passing.  I never gave them a thought.

 

When I came face to face with one - all that changed.  

Sorry, but that's just another unsubstantiated story. 

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Since I've come to that realization - I recognize that most of these questions come from those who don't KNOW.  They're trying to believe something, but can't get there because it makes no sense.  They get to worrying about how many there are, how they keep from being found, no bodies found in the wild, how do they possibly eat being so large, if they migrate - why aren't they more easily detected, how to they make do without tools, how do they survive harsh weather, etc., etc., etc. 

You're dismissin'  legitimate questions that even you don't KNOW.   

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They want to believe - they may think they believe - but belief is BS.  Belief is entirely in your head - a mental condition.

Belief is not BS. Belief is a powerful thing...belief has been the catalyst for a great many things. Without evidence...you've nothin' to suggest you're claimed sightin' wasn't in your heads...a mental condition perhaps. 

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So they worry over the facts like a dog worries over a bone.  They want to believe, but they have doubts - they want the answers to questions that can't be answered.

Uh "..questions that can't be answered." in your opinion.  

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Because of one thing.  They assume this thing is like them - or the opposite - very unlike them.  They can't mentally accept these things for what they actually are - without measuring it against human limitations, preferences, and requirements.  Thus the calorie analysis - which means crap.  Population sized - based on human needs and perceptions - which means crap.  Food sources - based on human needs and requirements - which means crap.  Why don't they use tools - like we'd find useful - which means crap.

Like them...unlike them...can't mentally accept things for what they actually are...you don't know either. An as for comparison with humans etc bein' crap...you don't know crap about what your talkin' about. These are legitimate questions based on a known primates.  That's science, like it or not.

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Their measuring post is wrong.  The foundation for comparisons - is wrong.  These are NOT human, and while some will blow that off and say "obviously," they continue to compare their needs and capabilities by human needs and capabilities.

 

I got some bad news.  They're not human - and their needs or abilities - are nothing like human needs and abilities.

Hate ta burst your bubble, but many of us don't consider them human, but more apelike. Even a apes needs out in the wild are similar to humans, but you don't seem to get that. 

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Cows, horses, etc., can eat and get fat on grass - only because they have a different digestive system - AND enzymes we don't have.  Termites can eat wood - cellulose - and break it down quite well - and there's more BTU's of energy in wood than BTU's in grass - although the 'calorie count' wouldn't compute.

 

What they eat, what they can digest - we don't know - and to do a calorie requirement based on size in relation to a human calorie requirement is just BS.

Wrong, a mammal of know size in a known climate requires a certain amount of calories, it may be speculation, but it is based on known science. 

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I've lived and worked for extended times in polar conditions, arctic conditions, tundra conditions, alpine conditions, savannah conditions, southern swamp conditions, eastern forest conditions, triple canopy jungle conditions - anything you can name - I've worked and lived, and functioned under those conditions.  I did without what most everyone would consider necessary.  I've been without water for three days and three nights.  I ate every third day - not three times a day.

 

I've gone a full seven days and nights with not one bite to eat - only water.  And that's just me -  and you adapt, you get by.  You make it work.

You do not make it work, you merely endure. An you know for a fact, if you did as you claimed, you don't adapt, you don't get by, you don't make it work...because what you describe is temporary, try it for much longer an your body an organs will begin to shut down. You will not survive. 

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Their large size does not constitute a significant disadvantage in getting noticed.  Their hair reflects zero light.  In combat, we'd come upon a larger force - and once all we could do in the moment was to bend forward at the waist.  It was enough to break up our "normal" silhouette.   We've had these 8-foot critters hide from us completely undetected in 14-16" mountain flowers.  Only to note them when we turned our back, when they'd take off.  Masters of hiding.

 

A lot of what worries others - aren't even factors to consider.

 

They are what they are.

Your use of "we" suggestin' you should have corroboration to support you claimed sightin', would that be correct. Or are we left to believe...cause we know how ya feel about belief.  

 

You've dismissed folks questions while providin' absolutely squat...I'm goin' ta leave it at that.

 

[hiflier]

7 hours ago, hiflier said:

It goes to the root of how badly do you want your questions answered?

 

James33, I noticed you somehow forgot to include this part of my post in your reply. You have good ideas for 'others' but what about yourself? You do seem to have enough interest to at least stay with this but is there any action that you yourself might think about taking? There are people here who are in the field. They manage trail cameras, they go out and look for sign, and some have been at it for some time. There are hunters here scouring Mount Saint Helens, Mount Hood, flying over remote areas, doing follow ups on suspected nesting sights, enduring insects, snakes and other pests in Oklahoma. Some have bushwhacked in Maine (me) along with a few others. I mean folks get out there. Sure luck would play a roll as it has in the past but one doesn't have a chance to get lucky if one isn't out there. You know, the ol' if-a-tree-falls-in-the-woods thing. I encourage people to be a part of the solution and take action. I push myself in directions that I hope will pan out as a means to certain goals in order to continue the search and the research.

 

I have always though that the early Spring was a perfect time to look for a dead Sasquatch or skeleton of one that didn't make it through the winter for whatever reason- injury, old age or some other cause. After Springtime nature will do what it does and the body will disappear into scavengers, maggots, the weather, the acid soils, get hidden in foliage, waste away in the heat and humidity, get covered with leaves and debris in the fall, and all manner of other natural processes. And there is a lot more that goes on besides that. Forest fires, drought, flooding, hunting seasons, snowmobiles, ATV's, resource harvestings and a few dozen other activities that keep animals on the move. Reading the room of Nature so to speak can help a researcher formulate a plan if they keep aware of what is going on locally and know the terrain they do their research in. There's a bit more to this than meets the eye.

 

 

7 hours ago, James33 said:

Well the first thing I can think of would be to get with those researchers who claim to know where they are (Todd Standing and the like) and get them to take scientists, trackers, wild life photographers, marksmen/snipers with good gear (night vision,  top of the line cameras/lenses, high powered rifle with scope, thermal imaging, etc) to where these creatures are supposed to be all the time.

 

That all takes quit a bit of funding as well as time to coordinate. Do you have any of either one to spare? I sure don't but I am doing what I can to move things ahead the best I know how. I think other members here are doing the same. Just look at the photos of places that people have gone and go to. You could do that too, and come back and let us know how you made out  

[FarArcher]

PBeatoff, or whatever your name is - 

 

Not unsubstantiated - to me.  And me is the only one I really give a **** about.  You're sitting on the sideline - and your tiresome amateur approach to logic is - well - amateurish.  Since you clearly haven't had a similar close encounter - I question your judgement to make a rational judgement of any kind on the subject.  Sort of like - your opinion means diddly squat - to me.  Occhiolism must be hard to live with.

 

I'm dismissing questions I don't even know?  That's another brilliant statement - so brilliant, you must be a Jenius.  That happens to be exactly what I said - so is there an echo where you sit?  Or is this some new irrational tactic to confuse the simple-minded, with a simple-minded reply?  Man, you gotta try and keep up.  

 

Belief IS a mental condition.  A state of mind is a 'condition' of mental operational approach.   "Belief is the state of mind in which a person thinks something to be the case with or without there being empirical evidence to prove that something is the case with factual certainty."  You're on a roll!  Unfortunately not in a positive way.  Clearly, you're not overburdened with education.

 

If you believe that the available calories are reliant on human calorie requirements - you have to assume BF and humans have identical biophysics.  Guts and enzymes alone might be significantly different - and could yield significantly different results.  Never misunderstand the enlightenment that reading comprehension can provide - and I'm pretty sure you could catch a class - with other disadvantaged young people.

 

If FOR EXAMPLE, one brings their beliefs in, and BELIEVES these to be apes - then a lot of things might not match up - IF they're not apes.  I was stating a concept relating to the fallacy of bringing in beliefs - previously determined mental conditioning - and how it can taint subsequent assumptions.  And I apologize to you - here I am talking concepts - and you haven't picked up on that yet.  You're taking everything literally - and without understanding, and it shows.

 

Oh, I can accept things as they actually are - you seem to be the one preconditioned to whatever you've made up your mind to believe - emphasis on BELIEVE.  Back to the original concept - and you're going to have to concentrate real hard - to compare them to humans - human requirements - human characteristics - human limitations - and human preferences - they really go out the window - IF they're not human!  By applying two sets of variables - that may be dissimilar - one set may not predict or match up with the other set.  I'd never say a poster is dumb, but you sure have a lot of bad luck thinking.

 

The calorie thing - I thought we were talking about a calorie requirement - and the question that was raised - was how much food sources does one of these things require?  As in how can they possibly feed themselves without stripping the surrounding areas?  I had mentioned possible enzymes differences, different digestive systems - that are unlike ours.  Thus, their calorie requirement may be met by eating things no human could/would eat.  Are you really this dense?  Or is all this a joke?  Wait.  The replies I've seen so far - are a joke.

 

I bet you have a new name here, because you sure sound like someone I ran into here a long time ago, and had to paddle his butt red  .  .  .  think he got kicked off too  .  .  .  the similarities are uncanny.

 

Now you're telling me that I endured, and didn't adapt.  That's very - uhm - impressive analysis - emphasis on the first four letters.  Geez, until you, I used to be pro-life.  Eating one meal every three days - yeah, you do adapt, you also get by, and you really do make it work - there's no option.  And I did that for months.  I've also been without water for three days and three nights - and I adapted, I got by, and I made it work.

 

You can fast for 30 days.  And live.  And in fact - you'll find some physical illnesses and conditions will have disappeared.  You don't know much about human physiology - certainly not from a first hand experience - and those statements are just - I hate to say it - but irrelevant to the topic, and outright ignorant.

 

I really don't care what you believe - your intellectual parameters from your posts would indicate a very narrow spectrum of knowledge - which causes me to feel badly for you.

 

Maybe you'd be more comfortable on a cooking thread.  Or find some trick knitting topics - who knows?  Maybe learn how to make apple butter.

 

I'm not sure what your problem is - but I bet it's hard to pronounce.  You have my sympathy.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 3, 2018 by FarArcher

[gigantor]

^^^ This is a great example of how to violate enough rules in one post to get you banned.

 

Goodbye FarArcher.

 

[Patterson-Gimlin]

Wow. I am amazed at such angry ramblings. I really hope he gets the help and support he obviously needs. 

 

Great job Pat at pointing out the flaws in his obviously misguided ramblings. 

 

Gigantor you are doing a fabulous job in your new role. Although I feel bad for him. Your decision is the right call.

 

 

[Incorrigible1]

It was only a matter of time and sufficient rope.

[James33]

10 hours ago, hiflier said:

 

James33, I noticed you somehow forgot to include this part of my post in your reply. You have good ideas for 'others' but what about yourself? You do seem to have enough interest to at least stay with this but is there any action that you yourself might think about taking? There are people here who are in the field. They manage trail cameras, they go out and look for sign, and some have been at it for some time. There are hunters here scouring Mount Saint Helens, Mount Hood, flying over remote areas, doing follow ups on suspected nesting sights, enduring insects, snakes and other pests in Oklahoma. Some have bushwhacked in Maine (me) along with a few others. I mean folks get out there. Sure luck would play a roll as it has in the past but one doesn't have a chance to get lucky if one isn't out there. You know, the ol' if-a-tree-falls-in-the-woods thing. I encourage people to be a part of the solution and take action. I push myself in directions that I hope will pan out as a means to certain goals in order to continue the search and the research.

 

I have always though that the early Spring was a perfect time to look for a dead Sasquatch or skeleton of one that didn't make it through the winter for whatever reason- injury, old age or some other cause. After Springtime nature will do what it does and the body will disappear into scavengers, maggots, the weather, the acid soils, get hidden in foliage, waste away in the heat and humidity, get covered with leaves and debris in the fall, and all manner of other natural processes. And there is a lot more that goes on besides that. Forest fires, drought, flooding, hunting seasons, snowmobiles, ATV's, resource harvestings and a few dozen other activities that keep animals on the move. Reading the room of Nature so to speak can help a researcher formulate a plan if they keep aware of what is going on locally and know the terrain they do their research in. There's a bit more to this than meets the eye.

 

 

 

That all takes quit a bit of funding as well as time to coordinate. Do you have any of either one to spare? I sure don't but I am doing what I can to move things ahead the best I know how. I think other members here are doing the same. Just look at the photos of places that people have gone and go to. You could do that too, and come back and let us know how you made out  

 

I live in Memphis TN and work 40+ hours a week - I don't have the means, time, nor the locale to pursue hunting for the thing. I'm interested in the subject but not consumed by it, nor even obsessed with it.  So to answer your question, it won't bother me in the least if the question of its existence goes unanswered forever (which is what I think will happen). There is a slight chance I could move to the pacific northwest due to jobs and if that were to happen, I'd definitely be out in the parks and woods a lot as I do a lot of photography. 

[norseman]

In one breath he would argue that Bigfoot IS a caveman....DO NOT call them an Ape. Its a MAN!

 

And then in the very next breath? It has all of these super special attributes that man doesnt have.....

 

Unfortunately he was a proponent of this crackpot theory.

 

http://themandus.org/gallery/

 

His constant beat downs because you had not seen one up close and your not special forces like him got old as well.

 

 

[NatFoot]

Although out there, not sure that post alone was ban-worthy. Not my forum.

 

He made some interesting points at face value.

[Twist]

^^ I'd agree, he had some interesting point for sure but his delivery and 1% of the 1% mantra grew tiresome a while back.   

[Huntster]

I must thank FarArcher for his brief vocabulary lesson, though:

 

10 hours ago, FarArcher said:

......Occhiolism must be hard to live with.......

 

Frankly, I thought at first that he misspelled (or his computer had auto-misspelled) “alcoholism”.

 

Interestingly, his understanding of the definition of “belief” is rather complicated

 

.......Belief IS a mental condition.  A state of mind is a 'condition' of mental operational approach.   

"Belief is the state of mind in which a person thinks something to be the case with or without there being empirical evidence to prove that something is the case with factual certainty." ........

 

He inserts the word “prove” in his definition. That is common among radical skeptics, as if something must be proven to be believed, and then blowing off the definition of “proof”. For example, there are many people who don’t believe that man has walked on the moon or that inoculations prevent the outbreak of disease.

 

The definition of “belief” is very simple:

 

be·lief

/bəˈlēf/

noun

1. 1. 

   an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.

   "his belief in the value of hard work"
2. 2. 

   trust, faith, or confidence in someone or something.

   "a belief in democratic politics"

    

 

 

[gigantor]

1 hour ago, NatFoot said:

Although out there, not sure that post alone was ban-worthy. 

 

FarArcher has a long rapsheet of rule violations, this one was the last straw.

[hiflier]

4 hours ago, James33 said:

 

I live in Memphis TN and work 40+ hours a week - I don't have the means, time, nor the locale to pursue hunting for the thing. I'm interested in the subject but not consumed by it, nor even obsessed with it.  So to answer your question, it won't bother me in the least if the question of its existence goes unanswered forever (which is what I think will happen). There is a slight chance I could move to the pacific northwest due to jobs and if that were to happen, I'd definitely be out in the parks and woods a lot as I do a lot of photography. 

 

Fair enough, and thanks for your candidness  

[hiflier]

Hey Pat, something has happened a couple of time recently with your posts. There is an enormous amount of white space at the end. Are you aware of that? I don't know why or how it is being generated but thought you should know? Don't if maybe it is something that's going on in the Forum's program or not. No one else's posts seem to have the issue.

[PBeaton]

hilflier,

 

I was askin' gigantor about that as well, no idea what was causin' it. I know it seems to be gone now, as the submit reply box is normal size again, the other two posts had huge space for some reason ???

Thanks !

Pat...

 

ps: Seems ta be back to normal gigantor.