Guest Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 It's a bad idea because there's not one iota of proof out there so if we get rid of all the questionable evidence (all the evidence that exists today) we won't have anything left to put together. Sometimes you have to connect the dots because it's all your ever going to get. 1) OJ left a blood trail, pretty much confessed in the Blazer and had motive 2) Casey never reported her kid missing for like 30 days, duct tape = murder 3) Bigfoot has witnesses, tracks, and pictures 1) guilty 2) guilty 3) real Or we can keep questioning every detail over and over like those trials have and Bigfoot will be finished too. Yes there is "evidence" out there.. Lets look at it for a moment.. PGF.. I believe to be the most compelling video evidence, and I would say that I am 90% positive it is authentic.. That being said, 10% is alot to assume or just write off..I can't wholeheartedly call this "proof", as much as I want too.. Plenty of tracks, but in my mind, since we know that normal human castings can be "chemically enlarged" to be much larger ( BF size) before they dry, I can't with certainty say that they are compelling evidence since they can be hoaxed.. The witnesses keep me hooked however.. I cannot reasonably explain how thousands of witnesses can all be either lying, hallucinating, or mis-identifying what they are seeing..I just cant.. Now to tie this back to the show, and other shows like it, unless a living specimen, body, or body part is produced in the series finally, my expectations are incredibly low for actual proof of life to come forth. I look at this much like I do most Reality TV shows: 1. Through clever editing and a semi-compelling story line to each episode, give its audience 38 minutes of entertaining television and 22 minutes of commercial TV, on average. 2. Bring in Money via ratings and sponsors for both Animal Planet and the BFRO ( Matt Moneymaker) Here is a bold prediction.. No Reality TV show tied to Cryptozoology will bring proof of an undiscovered species within the next decade.
Guest Forbig Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 Yes there is "evidence" out there.. Lets look at it for a moment.. PGF.. I believe to be the most compelling video evidence, and I would say that I am 90% positive it is authentic.. That being said, 10% is alot to assume or just write off..I can't wholeheartedly call this "proof", as much as I want too.. Plenty of tracks, but in my mind, since we know that normal human castings can be "chemically enlarged" to be much larger ( BF size) before they dry, I can't with certainty say that they are compelling evidence since they can be hoaxed.. The witnesses keep me hooked however.. I cannot reasonably explain how thousands of witnesses can all be either lying, hallucinating, or mis-identifying what they are seeing..I just cant.. Now to tie this back to the show, and other shows like it, unless a living specimen, body, or body part is produced in the series finally, my expectations are incredibly low for actual proof of life to come forth. I look at this much like I do most Reality TV shows: 1. Through clever editing and a semi-compelling story line to each episode, give its audience 38 minutes of entertaining television and 22 minutes of commercial TV, on average. 2. Bring in Money via ratings and sponsors for both Animal Planet and the BFRO ( Matt Moneymaker) Here is a bold prediction.. No Reality TV show tied to Cryptozoology will bring proof of an undiscovered species within the next decade. I could agree with you on all points and yes there may be nothing left to discover but our over active imaginations. Lets hope not I enjoy the show and the character.
Guest Forbig Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 I used to have great respect for the BFRO. However, I feel that since the abysmal Finding Bigfoot series, they just can't be taken seriously. Matt Moneymaker almost immediately believes every possible evidence for Sas is Sas no matter what. It's as if he plants the evidence and therefore knows exactly what we are looking at. I.e.: a deer carcass with broken leg that appears to have been twisted off... by no other than Sas himself. Is my trust legitimately compromised or are these guys the real deal? Do you really believe he caught a deer, then broke its leg, then drug it in under everyones nose? If he did that's more impressive than Sasquatch doing it. He's on the Sas side I wouldn't loose respect just because he's looking extra hard for the show. Why is everyone so down on MM? Jealousy here really shows who wouldn't like to be in his shoes. Getting paid for what we do for free? Doing it in the best places in the world? With everything needed including choppers and all the equipment? Man O man we can only dream of it.
Guest dml7788 Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 Do you really believe he caught a deer, then broke its leg, then drug it in under everyones nose? If he did that's more impressive than Sasquatch doing it. He's on the Sas side I wouldn't loose respect just because he's looking extra hard for the show. Why is everyone so down on MM? Jealousy here really shows who wouldn't like to be in his shoes. Getting paid for what we do for free? Doing it in the best places in the world? With everything needed including choppers and all the equipment? Man O man we can only dream of it. Yes for sure. But i have to say, it is very easy to get a hold of a dead deer. he wouldn't have to "catch" it. I am so down on Matt Moneymaker because he is so successful when others are so unsuccessful. yeah, he knows his stuff and has tons of experience. it just seems too convenient.
Guest JimF Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 (edited) Why is everyone so down on MM? Jealousy here really shows who wouldn't like to be in his shoes. Getting paid for what we do for free? Doing it in the best places in the world? With everything needed including choppers and all the equipment? Man O man we can only dream of it. Then why have some of us turned it down? Here is a bold prediction.. No Reality TV show tied to Cryptozoology will bring proof of an undiscovered species within the next decade. More like...Ever. Edited July 9, 2011 by JimF
Guest Texas Bigfoot Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 If you want to get video evidence of BF, staying in a "hotspot" for 3-7 days is NOT the way to do it. Go, camp, stay there for 6 months, hike everyday, film, use trailcams, do everything, but do it for at least 6 months, then you might get something.
Guest CaptainMorgan Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 By far, most of all BF sighting and media are not captured by people who cohabit the wilderness; it's by soccer mom's driving home or some hiker that went out for a 1 day hike or a picnic. There are folks who live and work in the woods for decades that never have a sighting and that absolutely do not believe that BF exists. Having said that, do I believe that it is more probably to gain footage by deploying cameras around a whole geographic area over a longer period of time? Yes I do, but then consider the Olympic Project. Nothing definitive yet. (and this is by no means any criticisms for your efforts! You should know that by now) In summery, I just don't think one can make blanket statements about how exactly it is possible to film bigfoot. .
Guest dml7788 Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 Yes I do, but then consider the Olympic Project. . What is this?
Guest Forbig Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 (edited) Then why have some of us turned it down? Good question, and if the answer is because they don't like MM this would of been the perfect chance to confront him with any problems they may have with him. Edited July 9, 2011 by Forbig
Boris Khan Posted July 10, 2011 Posted July 10, 2011 Questionable Remark of the Week: Frozen Sasquatch in WA episode: MM makes the statement, "mountain lions and bears are known to go to the top of a mountain just to survey the surroundings" as an attempt to explain why a bigfoot would be at such a spot as seen in the Silver Star pictures. WTH?! Being from a region that has lots of bears and cougars, I have NEVER heard of this. Anyone else? I almost wet myself laughing over this comment. Now that I have composed myself, I want to confirm from any hunters, biologists, zoologist, cougar and bear-ologists... has anyone actually ever truly heard that this happens? All I can picture is a mountain lion hiking up a mountain peak in snowshoes and busting out its binoculars to take a look round. Now in regards to the show, I'm actually happy with the show and its pretty much exactly what I was expecting it to be. It's not a show about bigfoot, it's a show about a particular group of "investigators" and their efforts in fieldwork. Anyone who actually thought there was going to be a sasquatch or definitive evidence presented were just fooling themselves. Upon rewatching this episode, I will retract my comment on MM making the statement. After rewatching, rewinding, and careful listening, I actually think it's Cliff who makes this comment.
Guest CaptainMorgan Posted July 10, 2011 Posted July 10, 2011 (edited) What is this? http://www.olympicproject.com/ http://www.olympicproject.com/id1.html . Edited July 10, 2011 by CaptainMorgan
Guest Forbig Posted July 10, 2011 Posted July 10, 2011 http://www.olympicproject.com/ http://www.olympicproject.com/id1.html . I was searching for a thread here on it but couldn't find one. That would be an interesting topic to discuss or maybe even help them out.
Guest JimF Posted July 10, 2011 Posted July 10, 2011 Good question, and if the answer is because they don't like MM this would of been the perfect chance to confront him with any problems they may have with him. Bolding mine. Ummmm.. kinda new at this aren't you?
Guest bumfish Posted July 10, 2011 Posted July 10, 2011 Hi I am a new member to this site but I was hoping to hear on people thoughts and views on the recent Animal planet show called "Finding Bigfoot". The show follows members of the BFRO, and organisation we're all familiar with. I have frequently visited the BFRO website even from a younger age, to gain good solid feedback on the Bigfoot phenomenon from a scientific view point! I have watched a few episodes of "Finding Bigfoot" and it has really knocked my confidence about the Bigfoot community. The show seems to dramatise, (clearly needed to support a TV series) Bigfoot cases and comes across as very naive in my opinion. I understand that the show is a good way to spread the name of the BFRO, and to advertise the organisation but at the same time I think it has a detrimental effect on the subject, making it seem as ridiculous as most people believe it to be, giving more reason for scientists to condemn it. Rene Dahinden suffered a lot of frustration in his time, due to publicity stunts like this, (made by other Bigfoot enthusiasts/investigators) because they further proved to scientists and useful contacts that it was a lost cause. Take the Patterson footage for example, it was scoffed instantly by scientists due to the public perception of Sasquatch. I'm fully aware of the ever increasing evidence which points towards the existence of this creature but I am still convinced that Bigfoot hunting documentaries have a detrimental effect on the subject as a whole. Anyway, I'd like to hear other peoples view points on the matter, I have faith in the majority of you, I'm just dissapointed in the BFRO because of the faith I'd placed in them, especially people such as Moneymaker.
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