georgerm Posted October 21, 2019 Posted October 21, 2019 On 10/19/2019 at 9:46 AM, SWWASAS said: The report I read was from someone that was involved in the recovery of human bodies in the blast zone. I believe it was a mortician from somewhere in the local area. As he had picked up a human body to take back with him, a helicopter went overhead and disturbed a blue tarp which covered several burned BF bodies. Rather than national guard perhaps someone should query all the mortuaries in the area and see if they were involved and saw anything. Unlike the guard, they are unlikely to have been sworn to secrecy and if so, it would not be binding for a civilian anyway. I would guess that the bodies found were simply put in a hole and buried before anyone else like the mortician saw them. Let's find the mortician that is something members can help with. What about Longview WA mortuaries? Most probably want their names out of this. http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2012/09/anonymous-former-national-guardsman.html AnonymousSaturday, September 15, 2012 at 4:14:00 PM PDT Last part Quote: Out of those nights on Gaurd I noticed 2 out of the people that were escorted in were VERY tall. Thats the only thing I noticed were those 2 TALL people. I was not in a position to see HOW tall they were but it was obvious they were over a whole head higher than the doctor, if thats what they were. Only the escort talked and they only mentioned their last name and showed their badge. I dont know if they were Army or civilian. The other thing I noticed was the escorted "people" were REALLY wide, but I always assumed (until now) that it was the coats there were wearing. It WAS very nippy and I also assumed we were at some kind of altitude. After that we were given a debrief that we had helped alot of the people who were "Victims" of the eruption (thats all we were told"victims") and told that we were not to mention this part of our TDY. What's a TDY? sworn to secrecy?
SWWASAS Posted October 24, 2019 BFF Patron Posted October 24, 2019 TDY stands for temporary duty. I am not believing that somehow they got BF to wear coats. A head higher would not even be a female BF if Patty was 8 feet tall. I think mortuaries from several nearby towns were involved because with 57 victims, the local mortuaries would have been filled up quickly. Longview, Kelso, Woodland, and Kalama might have been involved. Not sure if Kalama is big enough to have a mortician .
SWWASAS Posted October 25, 2019 BFF Patron Posted October 25, 2019 I was just re-reading the anonymous National Guardsman posting. I am wondering now why a guard was posted at all. In a Search and Rescue operation people are spread pretty thin just conducting the search. Why would they need to post a guard at all in a search and rescue operation? A guard is posted to protect assets. What assets would they have been protecting? The blast zone was basically isolated by the mud flows in the Toutle River. I think it was quite sometime before the road reopened leading into the mountain from the West. The search for victims had been over for a long time before the road reopened. If I remember right a couple of bridges were washed out too. Searchers were most likely transported in by National Guard helicopter so access was very controlled. Makes me wonder if the only reason they had a guard posted was to prevent people from seeing the bigfoot bodies under the tarp.
hiflier Posted October 25, 2019 Posted October 25, 2019 If the story is at all true, and it seems pretty fantastic to think so, then why should Human personnel trust a large, hairy, perhaps feral Human BF? It makes no sense that the creatures got treated like honored guests unless there had been a long history involving a unique relationship between the two species of bipeds. Knowing about guns, why a BF would trust a Human might be the better question?
SWWASAS Posted October 25, 2019 BFF Patron Posted October 25, 2019 (edited) Well the only reason I can see why BF would be treated like an honored guest would be that a large number were killed and the government had already established contact and protocols as if they were a NA tribe. That has implications because of the secrecy. There is little doubt that likely several were killed since before the blast sightings in that area were frequent. The secrecy part has always bothered me. One reason could be that the BF simply do not want to be recognized as a NA tribe and be under the governments thumb. If I were them that would be my choice. And since we have no idea what they are and what their origins are, I have to remind people that one reason for government secrecy is the possibility that they have ET origins. That would explain a lot about how the government is dealing with them. No evidence of that other than the mask of secrecy that the government seems to have placed on their existence. Scrambled and confusing DNA would also be likely if they had ET origins. But because of the present geographical spread if the origin is ET, their arrival has to have been thousands of years ago. If it was more recent, the government would have rounded them up and put them on a reservation someplace. That geographical spread is a good argument that there is no ET connection and they likely predate the arrival of humans in NA. Edited October 25, 2019 by SWWASAS
NatFoot Posted October 25, 2019 Posted October 25, 2019 3 hours ago, SWWASAS said: Well the only reason I can see why BF would be treated like an honored guest would be that a large number were killed and the government had already established contact and protocols as if they were a NA tribe. That has implications because of the secrecy. There is little doubt that likely several were killed since before the blast sightings in that area were frequent. The secrecy part has always bothered me. One reason could be that the BF simply do not want to be recognized as a NA tribe and be under the governments thumb. If I were them that would be my choice. And since we have no idea what they are and what their origins are, I have to remind people that one reason for government secrecy is the possibility that they have ET origins. That would explain a lot about how the government is dealing with them. No evidence of that other than the mask of secrecy that the government seems to have placed on their existence. Scrambled and confusing DNA would also be likely if they had ET origins. But because of the present geographical spread if the origin is ET, their arrival has to have been thousands of years ago. If it was more recent, the government would have rounded them up and put them on a reservation someplace. That geographical spread is a good argument that there is no ET connection and they likely predate the arrival of humans in NA. I'm surprised you entertain some of the thoughts above (contact, like a NA, etc). Your account always came off as something very animal and wild (not a feral human) to me. To entertain some of these thoughts you must have not felt the same way? Was something oddly human about your encounter that went over my head?
Huntster Posted October 25, 2019 Posted October 25, 2019 4 hours ago, SWWASAS said: Well the only reason I can see why BF would be treated like an honored guest would be that a large number were killed and the government had already established contact and protocols as if they were a NA tribe. That has implications because of the secrecy. There is little doubt that likely several were killed since before the blast sightings in that area were frequent. The secrecy part has always bothered me. One reason could be that the BF simply do not want to be recognized as a NA tribe and be under the governments thumb. If I were them that would be my choice......... That brings my own government/sasquatch theory to a two way agreement level, which I doubt very much. That would mean the U.S. government communicates with them, and they trust the government, which no previous Native American group could do, and which I cannot do, either.
Guest Paranormal Chick Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 This is the most perplexing thing about bigfoot research. While I don't want to make any conclusions at this time regarding flesh and blood vs non-flesh and blood, it's possible that we do have the bones but we're not aware of it yet. But saying that doesn't help the cause because we obviously don't realize that we may have the bones.
hiflier Posted October 28, 2019 Posted October 28, 2019 51 minutes ago, Paranormal Chick said: This is the most perplexing thing about bigfoot research. While I don't want to make any conclusions at this time regarding flesh and blood vs non-flesh and blood, it's possible that we do have the bones but we're not aware of it yet. But saying that doesn't help the cause because we obviously don't realize that we may have the bones. Welcome to the Forum. You may very well be right on that. Lots have been said about the alleged old skeleton finds that reside in the Smithsonian. They just went through a major bone move to another facility and it may still be chaotic there until they get organized. Don't really know. But there also may indeed be bones laying out there in the woods somewhere. Most will have been covered by Nature by now but who's to say they aren't out there. It's why I say my annual piece about this time about planning a serious Late Winter/ Early Springtime search for BF bones and bodies before Nature can have it way with them. As living creatures go Sasquatch won't live forever, they get injured, maybe get a disease, or get too old to keep up or find winter food (predation?). As long as one carries protection in case of bears/cubs then it's the absolute BEST time of year for such endeavors.
bipedalist Posted October 29, 2019 BFF Patron Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) On 10/25/2019 at 8:51 AM, SWWASAS said: I was just re-reading the anonymous National Guardsman posting. I am wondering now why a guard was posted at all. In a Search and Rescue operation people are spread pretty thin just conducting the search. Why would they need to post a guard at all in a search and rescue operation? A guard is posted to protect assets. What assets would they have been protecting? The blast zone was basically isolated by the mud flows in the Toutle River. I think it was quite sometime before the road reopened leading into the mountain from the West. The search for victims had been over for a long time before the road reopened. If I remember right a couple of bridges were washed out too. Searchers were most likely transported in by National Guard helicopter so access was very controlled. Makes me wonder if the only reason they had a guard posted was to prevent people from seeing the bigfoot bodies under the tarp. Weyerhauser and other private helicopters were involved too, not just National Guard/military. I would imagine there were some state government helos involved too but I have no direct evidence of that. I spoke to one of the WH pilots and he said he would never fly again after those experiences, never mentioned BF as the reason but I didn't ask. He is now retired and volunteered last I saw him at a local museum at Silver Lake. https://products.kitsapsun.com/archive/2000/05-18/0124_remembering__rescue_pilot_looks_b.html Fifty seven people were killed and a larger exclusion zone was proposed but not implemented in time to save lives: "There was a proposal to expand the danger zone sitting on the governor’s desk that weekend but she did not find it before the eruption occurred. She was engaged in another event. Law enforcement was ready to impose a new exclusion zone on the mountain that weekend but the papers were not signed in time. After the mountain erupted, the governor claimed that all of the fatalities had been in the danger zone. That clearly was not the case. That was a misstatement by the governor. " https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2016/03/160320-mount-st-helens-eruption-logging-volcano-olson-ngbooktalk/#close Edited October 29, 2019 by bipedalist
RedHawk454 Posted October 29, 2019 Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) On 10/16/2019 at 8:08 AM, Franco said: Personally it is to small for BF nest..... I think its too small for a human! Edited October 29, 2019 by RedHawk454 1
SWWASAS Posted October 29, 2019 BFF Patron Posted October 29, 2019 On 10/25/2019 at 1:15 PM, NatFoot said: I'm surprised you entertain some of the thoughts above (contact, like a NA, etc). Your account always came off as something very animal and wild (not a feral human) to me. To entertain some of these thoughts you must have not felt the same way? Was something oddly human about your encounter that went over my head? They are to smart to be a big dumb ape. More convincing than that is along with smart, they seem to have a sense of humor. Other than otters and other animals playing, never seen a bear or other animal with a sense of humor playing tricks trying to elicit a human response. The glyph presented to me had symmetry. Symmetry requires some intellect and the glyph a desire to communicate. As far as ET I think it unlikely because of lack of gadgets. But at the same time one cannot completely rule it out until we get DNA and determine evolution of the species. 1 2
MIB Posted November 1, 2019 Moderator Posted November 1, 2019 On 10/29/2019 at 10:47 AM, SWWASAS said: Symmetry requires some intellect and the glyph a desire to communicate. Yeah, this. Weird juxtaposition of desire to communicate yet maybe too shy / reclusive to do so in person or to be seen doing so. Same thing with the "conversation" / exchange I had with something I had in the thicket under the headwall at the back of a lake a few years ago. So so close to break-through, but not quite close enough. I think when we have something of this sort happen, we need to stay ... clearly respond to the discovery of the "whatever", then prepare to stay with it for a while, just hang out, be quiet, and wait. I messed up, got sort of impatient. I was fishing that day and wanted to get back to fishing. Whatever it was, it followed me on around the lake .. I gave up before it did. MIB
SWWASAS Posted November 1, 2019 BFF Patron Posted November 1, 2019 (edited) From someplace in my memory bank, I recall a very realistic dream asking a Sasquatch why it does not like to be seen by humans. . The answer back was that "it is not permitted". That makes me wonder if human contact has been so bad and even deadly for them because of disease, that they have sort of a universal rule to avoid human contact. From the footprints, the ones that have interacted with me are older juveniles; teenagers most likely. While they never showed themselves, they got very close at times, close enough to throw small pebbles and hit my pack to let me know they were there. Like human teens, perhaps they press boundaries and defy rules set down by their elders? Unlike bears, Sasquatch seem to have at least mixed sex family groups. If they have that, they could have tribal groups with sets of rules. Certainly with rules, human contact protocols would likely be a big part of that. While I have not had contact in quite a while, I presume that your exchange was conversation. Along those lines, I evolved into talking to them when I thought them present. I figured it did not hurt anything and even if they could not understand me, talking to them showed that I wanted to communicate. Some among us have spread the myth, that with time, acceptance and trust, they eventually show themselves. That never happened with me. My recent habituation contact has had repeat close contact in a camping situation but they have not revealed themselves intentionally. His sightings have been limited to glimpses of them moving to cover to hide when he emerged from his tent at night, and one longer road crossing in front of his vehicle. They seem to have very strong marching orders to avoid being seen. Edited November 1, 2019 by SWWASAS 1
norseman Posted November 1, 2019 Admin Posted November 1, 2019 On 10/29/2019 at 10:47 AM, SWWASAS said: They are to smart to be a big dumb ape. More convincing than that is along with smart, they seem to have a sense of humor. Other than otters and other animals playing, never seen a bear or other animal with a sense of humor playing tricks trying to elicit a human response. The glyph presented to me had symmetry. Symmetry requires some intellect and the glyph a desire to communicate. As far as ET I think it unlikely because of lack of gadgets. But at the same time one cannot completely rule it out until we get DNA and determine evolution of the species. Apes are smart..... not dumb. Even monkeys are extremely smart. I think we are splitting hairs here, but it cannot be said enough. I do not think Bigfoot wants to communicate with Humans. If they did they would just walk out of the bush and onto Main Street. I think whatever they are doing is designed to serve their own interests. If Sasquatch created that glyph? Then it’s my opinion it wanted to draw your attention to it.... and away from something else. A kill, offspring, etc, IMO.
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