Patty is a large Paranthropus?

[Arvedis]

10 hours ago, jayjeti said:

Dr. Meldrm, who once thought sasquatch was most likely Giganthecus blacki, has changed his opinion and thinks its most likely a branch of Australopithicene, the species just before Homo, because the Laitoli footprints, left in volcanic ash a few million year ago, shows a similar morphology to sasquatch prints with the midtarsal break.  He also believes that species walked with knees bent in a compliant gait like sasquatches.  

 

I just rewatched The Unwonted Sasquatch and was put off by Meldrum giganto discussion. It's a theory that has been out there but it's not sustainable. The only reason Meldrum once considered the giganto theory is because he needed some thesis to maintain scientific credibility. It's ok to change your position later but he needed something as concrete as he could make it.

 

That's the problem with publishing papers, making films and books. Science learns more and more every day. You never know where impacts of earth history and humanity's evolution and ecology, etc is going to upend BF theories.  

 

I'm still going to watch the follow up to Unwonted Sasquatch, which is Sasquatch among Wildmen.

 

 

Edited December 14, 2020 by Arvedis

[hiflier]

2 hours ago, Arvedis said:

It's ok to change your position later but he needed something as concrete as he could make it.

 

He was also a young follower of highly respected Dr. Grover Krantz who postulated the Giganto idea. After Dr. Krantz passed away Dr. Meldrum had some breathing room to tweak the theory. His tweaking was the result of his expertise in bipedalism as it related to what he determind from footprint casts. He secretely held to the notion that Sasquatch simply couldn't be your classic ape.

Edited December 14, 2020 by hiflier

[Arvedis]

3 hours ago, hiflier said:

 

He was also a young follower of highly respected Dr. Grover Krantz who postulated the Giganto idea. After Dr. Krantz passed away Dr. Meldrum had some breathing room to tweak the theory. His tweaking was the result of his expertise in bipedalism as it related to what he determind from footprint casts. He secretely held to the notion that Sasquatch simply couldn't be your classic ape.

 

I was thinking he held onto giganto so he could tell his academic leaders that he had a credible pathway of research. I have always wondered how Meldrum could make it through a career in legit academics with a specialty in Bigfoot. He must do a stellar job with everything else he is tasked with, like primatology 101 or something to give him latitude to fiddle around in n BF theories.

Edited December 15, 2020 by Arvedis

[norseman]

1 hour ago, hiflier said:

 

He was also a young follower of highly respected Dr. Grover Krantz who postulated the Giganto idea. After Dr. Krantz passed away Dr. Meldrum had some breathing room to tweak the theory. His tweaking was the result of his expertise in bipedalism as it related to what he determind from footprint casts. He secretely held to the notion that Sasquatch simply couldn't be your classic ape.

Correct. The Giganto theory comes from Krantz. Meldrum has built on that theory. And now is suggesting it’s Paranthropus.

 

I’m torn. It’s definitely not what we would think of as a cave man. With stone tool flaking, fire use, tribes, semi permanent cave use etc. We even debate how much meat is in its diet versus vegetation. It’s seems to be naked and it’s tool use is opportunistic like a Chimp to only be discarded. Its bipedal so it’s on our side of the Ape fence. The other species of Ape being quadrupeds.

 

One theory I reject about Gigantopethicus is that its a giant orangutan. If they reject that it’s bipedal because of its bulk? It sure the heck didn’t live in the jungle canopy......like a orang. I think based on the limited fossil evidence? We just don’t know.

 

Ive suggested a back water Homo Erectus like the Hobbit. Something that regressed as it was cut off from the main population.

 

Nothing really fits well. I do know this. A Sasquatch in order to survive in N. America will need to be an omnivore. It’s gonna need to utilize every last resource like a Bear to survive..... plus no hibernation. Winters can be long. That’s the key to this mystery. 

[Arvedis]

Dr. Meldrum does his field research. Here he is in action with Dr. Bindernagel and Todd.

 

[norseman]

3 hours ago, Arvedis said:

 

I was thinking he held onto giganto so he could tell his academic leaders that he had a credible pathway of research. I have always wondered how Meldrum could make it through a career in legit academics with a specialty in Bigfoot. He must do a stellar job with everything else he is tasked with, like primatology 101 or something to give him latitude to fiddle around in n BF theories.

He is a locomotion specialist I believe. His speciality is the evolution of bipedalism.

[Marty]

I'm leaning heavily onto the Paranthropus train because I really think our understanding of Human ancestors is fundamentally flawed and biased towards Great Ape logic and the Single-species hypothesis. I believe the Sasquatch was is what our ancestors would've been like minus the extensive hair (which is undoubtedly an adaption for the climate here) or not, maybe we did retain extensive hair coverage up until very recently (i.e Neanderthals). I dunno, the evidence tells me they are a Human relative and not something like a Great Ape or Gigantopithicus. Hell it may even be a direct Human relative and not something like Paranthropus, maybe something within the Homo genus. 

[Arvedis]

2 hours ago, Marty said:

I believe the Sasquatch was is what our ancestors would've been like minus the extensive hair (which is undoubtedly an adaption for the climate here) or not, maybe we did retain extensive hair coverage up until very recently.

 

I'm glad it worked out that we don't have cone shaped heads and human females are not (usually) bearded.

 

I'm also glad we discovered fire since there is no life IMO without cooked meat.

[Marty]

I hear that, Lmao

[norseman]

5 hours ago, Marty said:

I'm leaning heavily onto the Paranthropus train because I really think our understanding of Human ancestors is fundamentally flawed and biased towards Great Ape logic and the Single-species hypothesis. I believe the Sasquatch was is what our ancestors would've been like minus the extensive hair (which is undoubtedly an adaption for the climate here) or not, maybe we did retain extensive hair coverage up until very recently (i.e Neanderthals). I dunno, the evidence tells me they are a Human relative and not something like a Great Ape or Gigantopithicus. Hell it may even be a direct Human relative and not something like Paranthropus, maybe something within the Homo genus. 

Humans are a great ape. So we are closely related to all extant great apes, plus all extinct ones including Giganto.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human

[Incorrigible1]

5 hours ago, Marty said:

I'm leaning heavily onto the Paranthropus train because I really think our understanding of Human ancestors is fundamentally flawed and biased towards Great Ape logic and the Single-species hypothesis. I believe the Sasquatch was is what our ancestors would've been like minus the extensive hair (which is undoubtedly an adaption for the climate here) or not, maybe we did retain extensive hair coverage up until very recently (i.e Neanderthals). I dunno, the evidence tells me they are a Human relative and not something like a Great Ape or Gigantopithicus. Hell it may even be a direct Human relative and not something like Paranthropus, maybe something within the Homo genus. 

"Biased towards ......Single-species hypothesis......"

 

Huh? Science strives to be self-correcting. From what I can see, the single-species thing has been abandoned fifty years ago.

 

Oh, and as mentioned just above, Humans are great apes. All the great apes share a common ancestor a few million years past.

Edited December 19, 2020 by Incorrigible1

[hiflier]

38 minutes ago, Incorrigible1 said:

Science strives to be self-correcting. From what I can see, the single-species thing has been abandoned fifty years ago.

 

Agreed. And the many species branches of Homo, some living concurrently with others in our past, has put the single species theory to rest.

 

38 minutes ago, Incorrigible1 said:

I dunno, the evidence tells me they are a Human relative and not something like a Great Ape or Gigantopithicus. Hell it may even be a direct Human relative and not something like Paranthropus, maybe something within the Homo genus.

 

I think this closer to the truth. But we should remember that everything, so far as we know, came from the super ancient primate line. Every time an early primate species branched off, with Orangutans being an early first, there was a new form of Last Common Ancestor that went on to foster the rest. So any split in the line always had a new LCA to continue the evolutionary process until Early Humans appeared. I still think that the last split was NOT Humans vs. Chimpanzees. I only sat this in order to allow Sasquatch somewhere into the primate evolutionary line because it had to have come from there. But it is so much more like us than a Chimpanzee that the split must have come later AFTER Chimpanzees. If my theory holds, then what was left after the split off wasn't an early Human prototype.  It was a Last Common Ancestor that subsequently led to the split between Sasquatches and Humans.

 

So it is my contention that the Sasquatch was the true last split off before the proto-Humans. And that was when proto-Humans began to get larger, better functioning, brains. Because of Sasquatch's more advanced body it has to be closer to us but it never quite got the ability to think like we do even though it held on far enough to gain its bipedalism. It still possesses the muscular hairy body of the older primate species before Homo, however. It's difficult to think it got here in some other way.

 

 

Edited December 19, 2020 by hiflier

[Incorrigible1]

Hiflier, your second quotation is from Marty, not me. For clarification.

[hiflier]

Much appreciated, Inc1. I don't think there would be anything I would alter in my response no matter the source, but thank you for setting the record straight. So, over to you then, Marty.

Edited December 19, 2020 by hiflier

[jayjeti]

I like Dr. Meldrum's latest view that a species of Australopithicene is the best candidate because of the footprints left in the Laitoli track way, as it walked in volcanic ash a 3 1/2 million years ago.  The foot morphology, like wide heel and midtarsal break, are similar to sasquatches.  Looking at this image's comparison to its footprint and ours is a lot like comparing a sasquatch footprint to ours.