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SWWASAS
20 hours ago, Arvedis said:

 

Dr. Mayor is still listed on the speaker list for https://www.internationalbigfootconference.com in September.  IMO it would not be fair to her or any cast member to disrupt their presentation with protests. The "researchers" are not the producers of the show.  Would anyone give up an opportunity to get paid to be in a BF reality show? It seems more amusing than offensive that some marketing jockey came up with the promotion, "An elite team of Sasquatch specialists journey into the unforgiving Oregon wilderness in search of Bigfoot."

 

Overall, the people involved aren't that interesting but who really is that compelling on the BF conference circuit?  It's the same retreads anyway so what difference would their involvement really have to that industry?

 

 

Most conference speakers at some point after their presentation, ask for a few questions from the audience.      People are not going to protest but simply ask embarrassing questions.      I have seen presenters at conferences pin each other down if they say something without supporting evidence.     One of those questions might be why they considered the mine dangerous when the previous owners of the property conducted tourist tours in it.   Others would be why they exaggerated distances between locations on the ranch by factors up to two.  And finally someone is likely to ask about the algorithm that supposedly brought them there when sighting data bases do not seem to indicate activity in the area.    They may have answers to any or all of these questions but the answers may not be something they want to share with the public. .  

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2 hours ago, SWWASAS said:

Most conference speakers at some point after their presentation, ask for a few questions from the audience.      People are not going to protest but simply ask embarrassing questions.      I have seen presenters at conferences pin each other down if they say something without supporting evidence.     One of those questions might be why they considered the mine dangerous when the previous owners of the property conducted tourist tours in it.   Others would be why they exaggerated distances between locations on the ranch by factors up to two.  And finally someone is likely to ask about the algorithm that supposedly brought them there when sighting data bases do not seem to indicate activity in the area.    They may have answers to any or all of these questions but the answers may not be something they want to share with the public. .  

 

Definitely would be good to get everything out on the table. If they are pretending to be authentic for budget reasons, say so.  The problem with bigfootery is getting straight answers in general.  The forums where people can figure things out on their own is here, FB, YT, Reddit, and questionable blogs. The number of people that go to conferences and ask questions is minimal. Also, I do wonder how the conference circuit will rebound after the latest world events.

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19 hours ago, SWWASAS said:

Most conference speakers at some point after their presentation, ask for a few questions from the audience.      People are not going to protest but simply ask embarrassing questions.      I have seen presenters at conferences pin each other down if they say something without supporting evidence.     One of those questions might be why they considered the mine dangerous when the previous owners of the property conducted tourist tours in it.   Others would be why they exaggerated distances between locations on the ranch by factors up to two.  And finally someone is likely to ask about the algorithm that supposedly brought them there when sighting data bases do not seem to indicate activity in the area.    They may have answers to any or all of these questions but the answers may not be something they want to share with the public. .  

 

Regarding the location and algorithm stuff, there's a few things.

 

1) If they were telling the truth about where the series was filmed via that map at the start of the program (was it maybe on episode 1 or all, I can't remember), then the reports they were using weren't public as that area has little if any worthwhile history of reports and therefore must have been private, in which case an algorithm in the grand sense of the word isn't needed at all as the data would be so small and using the word would be a little deceiving.

2) The map which I talk about that was shown, wasn't the real location that the series was shot in and therefore they lied about it, and therefore i'd then assume probably correctly that they lied about other things, including having some kind of magical algorithm.

3) Anyone with even the slightest hint of interest on public BF Report algorithms and databases knows there's only one out there worth its salt, and it lives right here on this very forum.

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hiflier
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Let's hear it for our amazing Curator, Redbone, and everyone else who worked, and works, so diligently on our SSR!  :goodjob::goodjob::goodjob:

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Huntster
8 hours ago, hiflier said:

Let's hear it for our amazing Curator, Redbone, and everyone else who worked, and works, so diligently on our SSR!  :goodjob::goodjob::goodjob:

 

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hiflier

Good one Huntster. Rock on indeed!

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Arvedis
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I recant any pro sentiment I may have written about Russell Acord.  Maybe because I just found about the fakery I'm paying more attention.  I had been scrolling too fast through my feeds. 

 

He seems kinda smug and standoffish about addressing the criticisms. Maybe he is trying to take the high road on social media and ignore how people perceive his role on the show. Anyone who was caught like that should just avoid further embarrassment and confess.

 

Also odd that he now goes by "Sage" Acord.  

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BlackRockBigfoot
9 minutes ago, Arvedis said:

I recant any pro sentiment I may have written about Russell Acord.  Maybe because I just found about the fakery I'm paying more attention.  I had been scrolling too fast through my feeds. 

 

He seems kinda smug and standoffish about addressing the criticisms. Maybe he is trying to take the high road on social media and ignore how people perceive his role on the show. Anyone who was caught like that should just avoid further embarrassment and confess.

 

Also odd that he now goes by "Sage" Acord.  

I just got on Facebook on again to check out some Bigfoot related information on there.

 

I am fascinated with the recent resurgence in the Bluff Creek Massacre story.  A whole new generation of people who are interested in this topic are acting like it is a breaking scandal.  

 

Anyway, I wanted to see what Accord had to say about the whole drama... seeing how he is Gimlin's manager or handler or whatever he is.

 

It looks like he has a public figure account under 'Russell Accord'.  That account mostly deals with his show and events related to it.

 

The Sage Accord account seems to be his personal account.  I found the Sage part odd too.

 

I got bored with the whole thing rather quickly, so if there is a reason for the name Sage I never saw it.

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Huntster
31 minutes ago, BlackRockBigfoot said:

........I am fascinated with the recent resurgence in the Bluff Creek Massacre story.  A whole new generation of people who are interested in this topic are acting like it is a breaking scandal........

 

I wonder if the radical skeptics would accept the PG film if the massacre was blended in to it? If they can incriminate Gimlin, as some sort of revenge for helping produce such powerful evidence, it might be worth it, no?

 

Social psychology is an amazing phenomenon, and it becomes more incredible with each passing hour...........

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BlackRockBigfoot
6 minutes ago, Huntster said:

 

I wonder if the radical skeptics would accept the PG film if the massacre was blended in to it? If they can incriminate Gimlin, as some sort of revenge for helping produce such powerful evidence, it might be worth it, no?

 

Social psychology is an amazing phenomenon, and it becomes more incredible with each passing hour...........

Oh, that would be a moral conundrum for them.  

 

Continue to deny the contents of the PGF and maintain that mocking sense of self superiority that many of them have...

 

Or, accept the film and now get to adopt the indignation that would come along with the slaughter of the gentle forest people...

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48 minutes ago, BlackRockBigfoot said:

I just got on Facebook on again to check out some Bigfoot related information on there.

 

I am fascinated with the recent resurgence in the Bluff Creek Massacre story.  A whole new generation of people who are interested in this topic are acting like it is a breaking scandal.  

 

Anyway, I wanted to see what Accord had to say about the whole drama... seeing how he is Gimlin's manager or handler or whatever he is.

 

It looks like he has a public figure account under 'Russell Accord'.  That account mostly deals with his show and events related to it.

 

The Sage Accord account seems to be his personal account.  I found the Sage part odd too.

 

I got bored with the whole thing rather quickly, so if there is a reason for the name Sage I never saw it.

 

I stand by my original opinions that he's rather a parasitic persona in this realm, and that anything on tv these days has little appeal for seekers of facts.

I remember coming across the BC massacre angle years ago and didn't find it interesting. I'm not surprised that a lot of people would fall for such drama, it's a constant diet for the tv-raised public.

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BlackRockBigfoot

Anything on TV is going to be crypto-tainment first, informative second.  

 

Producers and advertisers don't look at a project and consider it a success if a handful of die-hard Bigfoot enthusiasts learned something new.  They consider it a success if hundreds of thousands or even millions of people who have a passing interest in the subject tuned in and then maybe bought the cat food advertised. 

 

Look at it like this...a lot of people who are heavily into this subject were first introduced to it by shows like In Search Of or later MonsterQuest.  There are more paranormal and Bigfoot themed shows hitting the channels all of the time.  The next couple of generations of researchers, investigators, and sympathetic scientists are hopefully seeing this and having the little seed planted that will one day grow into a passion for the subject.  

 

I know that shows like FB may sometimes do more harm than good, causing a flood of people howling and bashing sticks against trees to flood the woods.  

 

You need to have a flair for the dramatic to get people to tune in, otherwise there will never be any produced video content on Bigfoot outside of homemade YouTube videos.

 

Yes, it's a digital generation.  That's why it's important for media on the subject of Bigfoot to adapt in order to survive.  Kids and even adults don't go to libraries.  They are online or watching TV.  

 

It's fair that when new content is released that those who are extremely knowledgeable about the subject will critique and dissect it. That will happen to any work focused on a particular genre.  Some will be better than others.  I think that something like Expedition Bigfoot brings more to the table than a show like Mountain Monsters. 

 

I think that the producers/network (who are ultimately in charge of the entire thing) didn't expect the Bigfoot world to so quickly and thoroughly examine the show and figure out where they were.  Hopefully, they learn going forward that this community is pretty freaking obsessive and try to be a little more forthright in future projects.

 

 

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SWWASAS

The young producers think bigfooters are a bunch of tobacco chewing rednecks,  with the men not much worse than the women.    We were supposed to be sold because of the advanced algorithm.   Algorithms are another form of pandemic modeling in that they are a mathematic guess.  

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BlackRockBigfoot
11 minutes ago, SWWASAS said:

The young producers think bigfooters are a bunch of tobacco chewing rednecks,  with the men not much worse than the women.    We were supposed to be sold because of the advanced algorithm.   Algorithms are another form of pandemic modeling in that they are a mathematic guess.  

Some of them maybe, but not all of them by a long shot.

 

The last couple that my fiancee has dealt with were very into the subject.  They might not be out making plaster casts every weekend, but they were interested in the subject and overall thought that it was cool.  The younger people involved in the production companies seemed more intrigued with cryptozoology than the older folks, who seem like they would equally be excited about making a home renovation show as a show about looking for Bigfoot.  Others may have had a different experience, but that is what we have seen so far.

 

Let's be honest here, most of the people who want to be in the limelight as far as this subject goes would be considered a bit strange if not outright cringy by most people.  This field attracts some oddballs no matter how you look at it.  Like one of the production guys told my S.O., the trick is finding the right type of weird.  

 

This isn't a dig on oddballs.  I am going to lug 40 some odd pounds of gear out into the woods this weekend looking for... something.  That's weird, I know. Normal is boring and overrated.

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3 hours ago, BlackRockBigfoot said:

Anything on TV is going to be crypto-tainment first, informative second.  

 

Producers and advertisers don't look at a project and consider it a success if a handful of die-hard Bigfoot enthusiasts learned something new.  They consider it a success if hundreds of thousands or even millions of people who have a passing interest in the subject tuned in and then maybe bought the cat food advertised. 

 

Look at it like this...a lot of people who are heavily into this subject were first introduced to it by shows like In Search Of or later MonsterQuest.  There are more paranormal and Bigfoot themed shows hitting the channels all of the time.  The next couple of generations of researchers, investigators, and sympathetic scientists are hopefully seeing this and having the little seed planted that will one day grow into a passion for the subject.  

 

I know that shows like FB may sometimes do more harm than good, causing a flood of people howling and bashing sticks against trees to flood the woods.  

 

You need to have a flair for the dramatic to get people to tune in, otherwise there will never be any produced video content on Bigfoot outside of homemade YouTube videos.

 

Yes, it's a digital generation.  That's why it's important for media on the subject of Bigfoot to adapt in order to survive.  Kids and even adults don't go to libraries.  They are online or watching TV.  

 

It's fair that when new content is released that those who are extremely knowledgeable about the subject will critique and dissect it. That will happen to any work focused on a particular genre.  Some will be better than others.  I think that something like Expedition Bigfoot brings more to the table than a show like Mountain Monsters. 

 

I think that the producers/network (who are ultimately in charge of the entire thing) didn't expect the Bigfoot world to so quickly and thoroughly examine the show and figure out where they were.  Hopefully, they learn going forward that this community is pretty freaking obsessive and try to be a little more forthright in future projects.

 

 

Awesome post. Have a trophy. 

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