Why can't we find and study Bigfoot?

[georgerm]

39 minutes ago, norseman said:

This thread is making me want to wash my hands of the whole thing....

 

Do that for a day, cool off, then come back.  Your expertise is needed.

 

This thread asked us to explain why we are notfinding bigfoot to film with convincing film better than the PG film or why hunters can't drop one and bring it in. This thread is taking lots of twists and turns, but comes back to the original question. We are not finding bigfoot because the DOI is not encouraging or funding bigfoot research. This makes it harder to find bigfoot since the countries best biologist are getting funded for researching other animals but not bigfoot. Funding is going for salamanders, wood peckers, owls, small mammals, and some focus on deer or Elk.  A few brave people are studying cougars, Grizzly Bears and Black Bears.

 

Look at all the DOI funded studies and click on the URL below:

 

https://www.fs.fed.us/research/docs/wildlife-fish/directory_wildlife_terrestrial.pdf

 

When a DOI official laughs at someone seeking grant money to study bigfoot, this is the lowest of low science comments. Maybe that person should retire or take a medical leave. Ridicule is the way bigfoot research is stopped. It has no place in a science organisation.     good night all............

 

48 minutes ago, hiflier said:

 

Please don't, your chances are still way better than mine. Which is to say, science will still want a body even if they have DNA. I know they will, and you know they will. And even though I'm trying to stay positive, the route I'm taking may just crash and burn big time. In which case you need to get on your horse, or hitch a ride to Antlers with Huntster sometime in March  

 

Hey.................. you are making lots of progress. Keep working on the eDNA since it may just add another bit of proof for bigfoot's existence. At this time of proof, the public will be informed of this predator and will take measures to avoid the danger it projects. A bigfoot habitat might be named after you for donating all this time.

[Incorrigible1]

2 hours ago, georgerm said:

When a DOI official laughs at someone seeking grant money to study bigfoot, this is the lowest of low science comments.

 

That claim has been made by an anonymous poster.

 

There is sooooooo much conjecture being accepted as gospel on this thread, it sets one's head spinning.

 

Same with the dead and injured bigfoot spirited off St Helen's. It's hearsay.

[NatFoot]

8 hours ago, norseman said:

This thread is making me want to wash my hands of the whole thing....

 

That's where my head has been lately.

 

We aren't getting anywhere and this is not adding any value to my overall life/happiness.

[Twist]

I’m coming to the conclusion there’s 2 possible reasons.

 

1) It doesn’t exist

 

2). It’s so elusive and rare 98% of sightings and encounters are bunk, most likely including my own.

 

Either way if you can’t put one or parts of one on a slab the government ain’t acknowledging it.    All the e-dna and letters and petitions are getting nowhere.  They will get nowhere. If the government don’t want it out, until it’s shoved in their and media’s face it ain’t getting out. Amateur research at best is going to contribute to help tell a hunter where to put his bullet.

 

You want your proof right now your best chance is getting down to Marks place and figuring out what’s going on.   It’s been months now of reported activity within close proximity of a house and no body......what’s that tell you? 

[7.62]

27 minutes ago, Twist said:

I’m coming to the conclusion there’s 2 possible reasons.

 

1) It doesn’t exist

 

2). It’s so elusive and rare 98% of sightings and encounters are bunk, most likely including my own.

 

Either way if you can’t put one or parts of one on a slab the government ain’t acknowledging it.    All the e-dna and letters and petitions are getting nowhere.  They will get nowhere. If the government don’t want it out, until it’s shoved in their and media’s face it ain’t getting out. Amateur research at best is going to contribute to help tell a hunter where to put his bullet.

 

You want your proof right now your best chance is getting down to Marks place and figuring out what’s going on.   It’s been months now of reported activity within close proximity of a house and no body......what’s that tell you? 

I'm surprised no members who live close to him haven't yet,.(close by meaning with in a 100 mile driving distance). If I wasn't 1500 miles away I would take him up on the open invitation if even for 1 night to stay up and scan his property with thermal .I would also spend a lot of time looking for tracks. If the activity is that frequent there has to be some there .

[Twist]

I’d be curious to know what if any interaction NAWAC has had in regards to this situation.  This is essentially their back yard.   I’m sure if something is being planned/set up it’s being done in secrecy as it should be given the sensitive nature of the subject.   

[7.62]

I would just like to tell my short story why I'm here and what got me started searching for this creature .  It almost mirrors Marks . It was just a joke I made about people who see a bigfoot

to a friend of mine at my job. When I said it he didn't smile and kept working . He told me later that day he had problems on the property he use to own. I knew him back then when he owned the property but he had sold the cabin  5 years prior and he and his wife bought a home close to work.

 

He told me the stuff that happened there and he wasn't kidding around with me. We planned a day to go out near the area because frankly it peeked my interest . 

To make a long story short after going the first day I found things that didn't make sense including some tracks . Then one morning while we were driving out to the spot I saw something walking on all fours down the dirt road not more than 100 yards away , daylight early morning . Not on thermal or night vision but day light. It wasn't a deer or a bear .

I don't know what we saw that day . 

10 minutes ago, Twist said:

I’d be curious to know what if any interaction NAWAC has had in regards to this situation.  This is essentially their back yard.   I’m sure if something is being planned/set up it’s being done in secrecy as it should be given the sensitive nature of the subject.   

 

I mentioned that in Marks thread , what page of the 60 plus thread I'm not sure but I'm sure if he reached out to them some of the members would go there .

[hiflier]

Initially I don't think he wanted that kind of intrusion? Whether or not that's still the case is an unknown..

[7.62]

7 minutes ago, hiflier said:

Initially I don't think he wanted that kind of intrusion? Whether or not that's still the case is an unknown..

Its not unknown now. Check the thread

Edited January 21, 2020 by 7.62

[georgerm]

1 hour ago, 7.62 said:

I would just like to tell my short story why I'm here and what got me started searching for this creature .  It almost mirrors Marks . It was just a joke I made about people who see a bigfoot

to a friend of mine at my job. When I said it he didn't smile and kept working . He told me later that day he had problems on the property he use to own. I knew him back then when he owned the property but he had sold the cabin  5 years prior and he and his wife bought a home close to work.

 

He told me the stuff that happened there and he wasn't kidding around with me. We planned a day to go out near the area because frankly it peeked my interest . 

To make a long story short after going the first day I found things that didn't make sense including some tracks . Then one morning while we were driving out to the spot I saw something walking on all fours down the dirt road not more than 100 yards away , daylight early morning . Not on thermal or night vision but day light. It wasn't a deer or a bear .

I don't know what we saw that day . 

 

I mentioned that in Marks thread , what page of the 60 plus thread I'm not sure but I'm sure if he reached out to them some of the members would go there .

 

Sounds like he had bigfoot problems. Did he give details?  What state? 

 

If we want to find bigfoot, then locating cabins, or  residences with bigfoot known activity is the place to start. A place where the residents complain of bigfoot prowling around their property is a perfect starting point . This is where a primate study team needs to go in a quiet manner. Rural properties like this are good sites for Ms Mayor and other primatologist to set up camp. Seeking out these places is a good place to find Sasquatch. 

Edited January 21, 2020 by georgerm

[hiflier]

I have, which is why I said this:

 

11 hours ago, hiflier said:

 

.......or hitch a ride to Antlers with Huntster sometime in March  

 

[ShadowBorn]

13 hours ago, georgerm said:

ShadowBorn well phrased comment and your points are well taken but we need proof. What you are saying is a theory but a good one at that. Can you find published evidence. 

 

Our Gov was able to get their hands on these creatures after the  eruption.  

Again, the proof of this is yet to be published for the public to read. What part of the government? DOI, Army, Forest Service Law Enforcement and we can go on and on.  I've read some detailed accounts of the military bringing wounded bigfoots to a medical center while the dead ones were trucked away. Who can verify this? Can the Army at Fort Lewis, Washington, please answer this question?

 

when the funding has already been given into the study of these creature and has been hidden from the public.

 

We have no proof of that but there are in-you-endos or hear-say that point in that direction. Can you post some examples? 

I would like to ask the DOI.  1. Has the DOI hired experts to study dead bigfoots?     2. Have you mapped areas as designated habitat for bigfoot? 3. Is moderate clear cut logging in bigfoot habitat conducive for healthy bigfoots? (deer eat bush leaves from shrubs filling in a clear cut)  

Sure we do we have proof of some people being funded to study these creatures out in the wilderness  back in the 70's by the Gov. .  They just did not like what was reported back to them  or maybe they did like it and had other intentions. By other intentions I mean dark intentions mainly by the military. How else could they have had some one on site who could escort these creatures into a tent for gathering intelligence when mount St Hellen Eruption aftermath happen. The only problem is that these national guardsman are not willing to go one record. Which I believe are under a NDA filed by the Military from which I had to once sign my self or be put on hold in medical. You could file a FOI on the incident but will just be locked down and never see the light of day if it involves  national security.

 

The proof of people being funded was that fellow by the name of Henry Fonzolli or some thing to that. He is a member here or was a member here and his study led to that these creature were leading more toward the woo side. As soon as it went to that they just blew him off and his funding was taken from him.  But I believe that this funding was still going on and that they needed to know exactly what these creatures were capable of . Now this deep and it can go even deeper.

 

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3. Is moderate clear cut logging in bigfoot habitat conducive for healthy bigfoots? (deer eat bush leaves from shrubs filling in a clear cut) 

 I have said this before and will say this again. I have a theory that the military have kill teams task for these creatures. I am not sure why But in my area some of these clear cuts that were done looked very odd. They looked like as though to be used as kill sites where they can flush these creatures out into the open and kill them.  They also look like helo landing spots where they could be lifted out quickly. Now you are talking about federal and state land so who knows how the military is allowed to use this property.  Special those with special clearance. No one is going to go up to these guys and ask what they are doing. Why, cause they are going to tell you "the public" that it's none of your business. To the public it is just practice as usual and that's all you will hear from them. Well I have said what I needed to say . Some times I should just keep my mouth shut.  It is better for me. 

[hiflier]

Tom Slick funded three expeditions into Nepal in the 1950's looking for the Yeti, but there was also a CIA element involved to study Chinese missile testing. He then funded an investigation in Northern California. These were all in in the led by Peter Byrne. The NorCal investigation was in the late 1960's. Peter Byrne then went on to get involved with, at the time, Boston's Academy of Applied Sciences in 1992 with the aim of looking at reports from a geospatial aspect to try and determine patters of movement.

 

The Academy has since moved to Concord, NH and I sent them an email asking for a discussion regarding setting up an wide e-DNA program with academia to look for DNA evidence of the creature. I even emailed Peter Byrne to see if he would be interested in such a program because of his Academy of Applied Sciences connections as a member of the Academy. I have yet to hear back from either him or the Academy. As you can see, I'm attempting to go at this from every angle I can think of. Ah well.........

Edited January 21, 2020 by hiflier

[norseman]

10 hours ago, Incorrigible1 said:

 

That claim has been made by an anonymous poster.

 

There is sooooooo much conjecture being accepted as gospel on this thread, it sets one's head spinning.

 

Same with the dead and injured bigfoot spirited off St Helen's. It's hearsay.

 

I dont think its conjecture. The government part. Not the eruption part.

 

Look at how much money goes into studying frogs, deer, elk, etc. Plus forestry and botany and so forth and so on....

 

Can you imagine a scenario in which the Feds have no idea about this subject? I increasingly cannot.

 

So how do we move the ball forward if the game is rigged? 

 

Look at the details of the Dennis Martin case. The armed Green Berets that did not coordinate with searchers and the other family witnessing something carrying a kid on its shoulder. Their testimony was swept under the rug. This is not conjecture. A little boy went missing within eyeshot of his father.

 

I suppose thats the only reason I still go out and look. For the martin families of the world. The right to know. Closure.

[Twist]

30 minutes ago, norseman said:

So how do we move the ball forward if the game is rigged? 

THe only way I see is the very method you’ve been saying for years.  A body.