COVID-19 and BF

[Rlee]

@CallyCat The stand is one of Stephen Kings best. Our Government is now saying up to 70% of our population could be infected before it runs its course.

[VAfooter]

OK folks, remember no politics on this thread. Take it to the Tar Pit if you want to go down that road. 

 

Consider yourself warned.

[SWWASAS]

Just a tip to those in areas where rubbing alcohol is hard to find or simply not on store shelves like my local area on the left coast.         Alcohol is used for other purposes than medical use.       My Fred Meyers drug/dept store was cleaned out on the medical supply shelves but I walked over to hardware and paint, and found both quart cans and gallon cans of nearly pure alcohol used as solvent and stove fuel.     The stove fuel gallon cost me about $14 which is way cheaper than 12oz medical bottles and I think it is well over 90%.  I would guess that any Ace Hardware still has it until word gets out.    Unless you drink it there is no difference other than you should use at least 70% for medical use.    

Edited March 13, 2020 by SWWASAS

[SWWASAS]

On 3/10/2020 at 9:34 PM, CallyCat said:

I tell you what, if there are any survivors left by August, let's all meet at the Denver Airport and restart civilization. 

 

That reminds me of the movie "Dr Strangelove"  where they discussed pairing up men with multiple reproductively ready women to repopulate the planet.      Of course it would be a race with the Russians to outdo each others population growth.    In our modern case we would be hard pressed to catch up to the Chinese.  

[Catmandoo]

6 hours ago, SWWASAS said:

Just a tip to those in areas where rubbing alcohol is hard to find or simply not on store shelves like my local area on the left coast.         Alcohol is used for other purposes than medical use.       My Fred Meyers drug/dept store was cleaned out on the medical supply shelves but I walked over to hardware and paint, and found both quart cans and gallon cans of nearly pure alcohol used as solvent and stove fuel.     The stove fuel gallon cost me about $14 which is way cheaper than 12oz medical bottles and I think it is well over 90%.  I would guess that any Ace Hardware still has it until word gets out.    Unless you drink it there is no difference other than you should use at least 70% for medical use.    

 

The medicinal 'rubbing alcohols' have water and oil blended in.  Denatured alcohol does not have water or oil and burns clean as a fuel as in alcohol stoves. Denatured alcohol will dry out your skin.

 

Again, as I have posted in the past, Dr. Catmandoo says drink Everclear / moon shine............pathogens will not recognize your body as a host.  And what about a shot of Tabasco Sauce everyday? The Tabasco Sauce crowd claims that they don't get sick.

 

Remember the movie "Andromeda Strain"?   The Hollywood cure was related to blood pH.

[Rlee]

• What do we know about COVID-19 virus and companion animals?

The current spread of COVID-19 is a result of human to human transmission. To date, there is no evidence that companion animals can spread the disease. Therefore, there is no justification in taking measures against companion animals which may compromise their welfare.

The Veterinary Services of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People’s Republic of China reported to OIE evidence that a dog had tested positive to the COVID-19 virus following close exposure to its owners who were sick with COVID-19 – see Immediate Notification (01/03/2020) and Follow-up report no.1 (09/03/2020). The test, conducted by real time PCR, showed the presence of genetic material from the COVID-19 virus. The dog was not showing any clinical signs of the disease.

There is no evidence that dogs play a role in the spread of this human disease or that they become sick. Further studies are needed to understand if and how different animals could be affected by COVID-19 virus. The OIE will continue to provide updates as new information becomes available.

There is no evidence to support restrictions to movement or trade of companion animals.

 

So would we consider a Big Foot a companion animal?

[bipedalist]

1 hour ago, Catmandoo said:

 

The medicinal 'rubbing alcohols' have water and oil blended in.  Denatured alcohol does not have water or oil and burns clean as a fuel as in alcohol stoves. Denatured alcohol will dry out your skin.

 

Again, as I have posted in the past, Dr. Catmandoo says drink Everclear / moon shine............pathogens will not recognize your body as a host.  And what about a shot of Tabasco Sauce everyday? The Tabasco Sauce crowd claims that they don't get sick.

 

Remember the movie "Andromeda Strain"?   The Hollywood cure was related to blood pH.

 

Midnight moon is a good everclear; hydrogen peroxide left on for five or six minutes will do the trick too.  Don't need fancy aerosols and spray preps.  I prefer Srichacha to tabasco 24/7; tiger sauce comes next; sweet heat Stubbs next all the way  Check your PM cat

On 3/8/2020 at 8:19 PM, norseman said:

Influenza makes the corona virus look like a wimp..... And that started long ago.

 

I heard an MD say corona virus/COVID-19 was 10 times more virulent than the flu so I will go with that assessment. Doesn't mean 10 times more deadly but extrapolate that on out

Also heard 30 40, 50 year olds with no comorbid pre-existing conditions vastly affected and intubated in Italy; not just a 60, 70, 80 year old thingy.  Just to make sure you consider this.  Children are at least good carriers doesn't mean they can't be infected and have problems too.  Research ongoing about what it is about children that the virus does not take advantage of

Edited March 14, 2020 by bipedalist

[norseman]

19 minutes ago, bipedalist said:

 

Midnight moon is a good everclear; hydrogen peroxide left on for five or six minutes will do the trick too.  Don't need fancy aerosols and spray preps.  I prefer Srichacha to tabasco 24/7; tiger sauce comes next; sweet heat Stubbs next all the way  Check your PM cat

 

I heard an MD say corona virus/COVID-19 was 10 times more virulent than the flu so I will go with that assessment. Doesn't mean 10 times more deadly but extrapolate that on out

Also heard 30 40, 50 year olds with no comorbid pre-existing conditions vastly affected and intubated in Italy; not just a 60, 70, 80 year old thingy.  Just to make sure you consider this.  Children are at least good carriers doesn't mean they can't be infected and have problems too.  Research ongoing about what it is about children that the virus does not take advantage of

It’s not killing at the rate of Spanish influenza that took at least 17 million in one year. And that number could be much higher. And that was when travel was by ocean liner.... So I wonder how it’s 10x as deadly? 

[bipedalist]

You just misquoted me, I said 10 times more virulent, not 10x more deadly. 

[norseman]

1 hour ago, bipedalist said:

You just misquoted me, I said 10 times more virulent, not 10x more deadly. 

I had to look it up. I’m sorry if I didn’t use it in the right context.

[CallyCat]

On 3/12/2020 at 2:52 PM, Twist said:

That’s probably why they are treating this different.   Trying to avoid 12k deaths and 270k infected.    I don’t believe the intent is to stop this or even really prevent it but to slow the spread so facilities and such can handle cases at a reasonable pace.   To many sick to fast and there are not enough resources to properly handle it.   
 

There’s no reason to panic but also no reason not to take precautions.   

It's about all we can really do. The difference is the virulence; 1 in 1000 die of various flu viruses each year but this isn't flu, it's a corona virus that acts like the flu. Covid is estimated to kill 1 in 100 if left UNCONTAINED. The reason the predicted death rate is so high with Covid is because it caused ARDS ( Lung tissue damage and scarring) whereas flu causes secondary pneumonia. There aren't any medications to fix ARDS like there is for pneumonia. Staying away from people is the key, quarantines. However the quarantine should occur now before people come down with symptoms to break the chain of infection. That's not going to happen because people aren't well educated on disease transmission, they think going through the drive thru to pick up dinner is staying socially isolated. It's mainly the old people that are most at risk for getting the sickest so stay at home for your elderly family members sake. Otherwise, the worse thing that happens to you is going be a light case of flu if you get sick at all. 

Edited March 14, 2020 by CallyCat

[CallyCat]

18 hours ago, bipedalist said:

 

Midnight moon is a good everclear; hydrogen peroxide left on for five or six minutes will do the trick too.  Don't need fancy aerosols and spray preps.  I prefer Srichacha to tabasco 24/7; tiger sauce comes next; sweet heat Stubbs next all the way  Check your PM cat

 

I heard an MD say corona virus/COVID-19 was 10 times more virulent than the flu so I will go with that assessment. Doesn't mean 10 times more deadly but extrapolate that on out

Also heard 30 40, 50 year olds with no comorbid pre-existing conditions vastly affected and intubated in Italy; not just a 60, 70, 80 year old thingy.  Just to make sure you consider this.  Children are at least good carriers doesn't mean they can't be infected and have problems too.  Research ongoing about what it is about children that the virus does not take advantage of

Children have better working immune systems, less replicative failure as a result of aging.

20 hours ago, Rlee said:

• What do we know about COVID-19 virus and companion animals?

The current spread of COVID-19 is a result of human to human transmission. To date, there is no evidence that companion animals can spread the disease. Therefore, there is no justification in taking measures against companion animals which may compromise their welfare.

The Veterinary Services of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People’s Republic of China reported to OIE evidence that a dog had tested positive to the COVID-19 virus following close exposure to its owners who were sick with COVID-19 – see Immediate Notification (01/03/2020) and Follow-up report no.1 (09/03/2020). The test, conducted by real time PCR, showed the presence of genetic material from the COVID-19 virus. The dog was not showing any clinical signs of the disease.

There is no evidence that dogs play a role in the spread of this human disease or that they become sick. Further studies are needed to understand if and how different animals could be affected by COVID-19 virus. The OIE will continue to provide updates as new information becomes available.

There is no evidence to support restrictions to movement or trade of companion animals.

 

So would we consider a Big Foot a companion animal?

I wouldn't consider Bigfoot a companion animal but fur can hold the virus if the infected owner pets it. What we don't know is how long the virus can be viable outside the host. One dog that belonged to a corona virus patient in Hong Kong cultured weakly positive from it's nasal passages but it was not a blood culture. A positive blood culture without illness would make it a carrier. 

Edited March 14, 2020 by CallyCat

[CallyCat]

The best thing you can do is stay away from people , get out in the sunshine because ultraviolet light and good ventilation is the best way to kill a virus of any kind. Go bigfoot hunting or stalking, now you have a legitimate reason to indulge :-)

[SWWASAS]

I am considering every surface beyond my front door contaminated if humans are present.     I went to the grocery store yesterday to stock up because if local travel restrictions are imposed,  Washington State will be the first effected.     I wore gloves and was wiping my cart handle off like I nave always done when a young woman in her twenties marched past me grabbed a cart bare handed and went into the store.    I could not help but just shake my head in wonderment.    I stayed at least 10 feet away from everyone and selected a checker that is older after watching her for signs of the sniffles.      She looked good,  but the checker herder tried to get me to go to a line where a man in his early 20s was checking.     I said no,  because men are lousy hand washers and people that age are babies that do not know anything.   My gloves were worn until I got everything in the car and I changed to another pair.   My canned groceries are still in the sack and I will not store them for at least 72 hours when I expect that any handling surface viruses have died.    Call me paranoid but it is my life to loose. 

 

I may actually have already had the thing because I cancelled my trip a month ago because I suddenly felt crappy,   ran a fever, and had a dry cough with the feeling that someone was standing on my chest.   Took a week to get over the symptoms.    They think it has been in the Seattle area since December.     Right now they do not know if there is any residual immunity from already having it.    The Chinese report people getting it again.  They probably will develop tests to see if you have ever had it.     That is the only way to get a handle on how virulent and deadly it is.  What a mess it is making of things.  

[ShadowBorn]

Hey ! I am staying home with the wife and enjoying my Jack Daniels. Not even thinking to what might happen tomorrow since it will be a new day. Why set your selves up to worry. I was doing that when I was out in the field hunting these creatures , waking up never knowing if it will be my last.

If this virus is passing thru through human to human contact then how in the heck will these creatures even get this virus. The only way that this virus will be passed on to them is by one of us humans making up close contact with them. That is a big if since one of us humans must first be carrying the virus in the first place.  That is the other thing that we have no idea about them since we have no idea what they could be immune too. Let's say that if we were to shoot one then what would be the next step to get this body to a lab. We would have to don a bio suit to keep our selves safe from them once they are dead. They could be carrying some deadly pathogens that could harm humans.

 

They are not talking about where this virus originated or how it even came into existence. Nor do they have a way to build our immunity to this virus with a vaccine.  So what is that saying about what might be taking place. Some how nature woke up a beast in our world. It is not good , but is also not good to go into a full panic. Just in the past few days here in Michigan it has been crazy with everything shutting down. Well this is all I have to say may you all have a happy Saint Patrick day Happy Green Day!!!!.