norseman Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 1 hour ago, hiflier said: Because one hasn't looked at you so why wait for that when you don't have to? Then why does the Forestry Service scoop up snow tracks for DNA of wolves, wolverines, and Canada Lynx when they know the animals exist. The snow tracks should tell any experienced fur bearer expert what made those tracks. Why the DNA. So would Sasquatch leave DNA in snow? You betcha! I have told you a million times I will take samples. Water samples, snow samples, scat samples, whatever…. Give me an address! You know I collected a femur for the BTW’s bone study. But I am also packing a gun in case one does look at me! Are you packing a gun? Are you willing to shoot one? Are you gonna meet me in the middle? No? Why not? If you are as committed to discovery as you say you are? Your not gonna leave any tools out of the tool bag….. 1 hour ago, hiflier said: No reason to even say that One you start throwing sportsmen regs at me? One has to wonder… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiflier Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, norseman said: One has to wonder… And for the millionth time, Sasquatch is not on the list. So you cannot legally shoot it. Period. You still want to shoot one? Have at it, but you have ten years worth of intent on this public Forum so self defense is out the window for you. And if you think I'm not watching your six from 3,000 miles away by saying these things you are wrong. I'm watching your six whether you want me too or not because I give a damn what happens to you if you shoot this creature. I've always cared which goes a lot further than me just spouting off as some goodie two shoes. And no, I won't shoot one. Because, so far, testing has said it is genus Homo. So for me? Shooting one would be waaaay more than going just half way to you. That would be more like going 95%. Sorry to have to say that, Norseman, but for me it's true. Collecting DNA, the aftermath is nearly zero. Shooting one, the aftermath is all hell breaking loose. Edited August 5, 2023 by hiflier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntster Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 Quote ........They DON'T do so with sasquatch tracks because they have no desire or intent on managing sasquatches........... 4 hours ago, hiflier said: Why is that so? WAIT, WAIT, I Know! Pick me! Pick me! Because it would say they exist? Because you can't manage humans like you can wildlife. Humans have rights. Even if one is to argue that sasquatches are primitive humans, the lawyer class and clergy will be all over it like flies on carrion. If you think environmentalists are bothersome, I think you'll find that they'd be the least troublesome of the people who would inject themselves onto the phenomenon. Today? They're all (including the environmentalists) perfectly silent on the issue. In fact, it isn't an issue. At all. And that's exactly how government wants it to stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiflier Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 Yes, but even before all of that there would be a by-default admission that Sasquatches exist. All that other stuff comes after. Gotta remember to keep the horse in front of the cart in this subject. Verified existence is job one. Otherwise everything is conjecture. It takes a certain amount of discipline in order to keep the order of things in sharp focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 3 hours ago, hiflier said: And for the millionth time, Sasquatch is not on the list. So you cannot legally shoot it. Period. You still want to shoot one? Have at it, but you have ten years worth of intent on this public Forum so self defense is out the window for you. And if you think I'm not watching your six from 3,000 miles away by saying these things you are wrong. I'm watching your six whether you want me too or not because I give a damn what happens to you if you shoot this creature. I've always cared which goes a lot further than me just spouting off as some goodie two shoes. And no, I won't shoot one. Because, so far, testing has said it is genus Homo. So for me? Shooting one would be waaaay more than going just half way to you. That would be more like going 95%. Sorry to have to say that, Norseman, but for me it's true. Collecting DNA, the aftermath is nearly zero. Shooting one, the aftermath is all hell breaking loose. That’s a LIE. It’s a bald faced LIE. Read the game regs of all 50 states and get back to me. Yes, a few states require any legal animal be on some sort of list. Other states allow any animal omitted to be treated as varmints. I kill house mice every day. I don’t have a tag for them Hiflier…… I also don’t have a tag for a Pixie or a Gnome. You are a blow hard. That’s all…. Adios!🤦🏻♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiflier Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 49 minutes ago, norseman said: Other states allow any animal omitted to be treated as varmints. I kill house mice every day. I don’t have a tag for them Hiflier…… I also don’t have a tag for a Pixie or a Gnome. Boy, talk about blowing things out of proportion. I think at this point you'll say just about anything to stay on top of this. Endangered species are not varmints and neither is a Sasquatch. So if you want to continue this in mature fashion then keep things in perspective and stop grabbing at straws. I'm an adult and so are you are you, so try not to conflate things beyond what is sensible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickMc Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 the infighting will not further our cause! Please....PLEAAAAAAAAAAAASE cant' we all just get along? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 44 minutes ago, hiflier said: Boy, talk about blowing things out of proportion. I think at this point you'll say just about anything to stay on top of this. Endangered species are not varmints and neither is a Sasquatch. So if you want to continue this in mature fashion then keep things in perspective and stop grabbing at straws. I'm an adult and so are you are you, so try not to conflate things beyond what is sensible. It’s simply a gray area. Whoever kills one will be celebrated as the person who found a new discovery. Then government will do what they do to protect them. Of course they’ll no exactly what to do since they already know about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIB Posted August 6, 2023 Moderator Share Posted August 6, 2023 5 hours ago, hiflier said: Sasquatch is not on the list. So you cannot legally shoot it. Period. WRONG. As I have explained before, there are two paradigms for regulating what can or cannot be shot. Some states use one, some the other. In California, the critters that can be shot are specifically listed. Anything not on the list is considered protected. In Oregon, the critters which CANNOT be shot are listed and anything not listed can be shot. (The crux of the matter is Oregon hates invasive species. If it isn't listed, it must be invasive and should be eradicated.) California plays by the rules as you describe the. Oregon DOES NOT. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickMc Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 the naysayers would say that first, something has to be in existence before it can be killed 'in the name of science'. Would be very interesting to see the legal aspects of a killed bigfoot....especially if some judge classifies it as a human Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 1 hour ago, hiflier said: Boy, talk about blowing things out of proportion. I think at this point you'll say just about anything to stay on top of this. Endangered species are not varmints and neither is a Sasquatch. So if you want to continue this in mature fashion then keep things in perspective and stop grabbing at straws. I'm an adult and so are you are you, so try not to conflate things beyond what is sensible. Yes. I am well aware endangered species are protected….🙄 No. Your projecting. I am telling the truth. And you tell lies to support your narrative. I am simply sick of it. Get a grip on reality! WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT A SASQUATCH IS because right now it’s a MYTH. It would be my whole hearted desire to see the species protected AFTER it’s proven to exist. No matter if they are endangered or plentiful. Until then? Science requires one male and female type specimen! Scientists peruse bush meat markets and discover NEW species all the time! Gigantopethicus was discovered in a apothecary shop in Hong Kong! https://news.mongabay.com/2013/08/scientists-discover-new-flying-mammal-in-bushmeat-market/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigantopithecus 1 hour ago, MIB said: WRONG. As I have explained before, there are two paradigms for regulating what can or cannot be shot. Some states use one, some the other. In California, the critters that can be shot are specifically listed. Anything not on the list is considered protected. In Oregon, the critters which CANNOT be shot are listed and anything not listed can be shot. (The crux of the matter is Oregon hates invasive species. If it isn't listed, it must be invasive and should be eradicated.) California plays by the rules as you describe the. Oregon DOES NOT. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntster Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 3 hours ago, hiflier said: Yes, but even before all of that there would be a by-default admission that Sasquatches exist........... Zana proved that almastys exist. It just turned out that she also happened to be homo sapien.........as bizarre and wild the odds of that were. All that was needed was a scolding in the last paragraph of Margaryan's publication regarding ethics, and the issue went away. But if the almasty/sasquatch turns out to be another species, all Hell breaks loose. Quote .........All that other stuff comes after.......... Not if you can successfully suppress that by-default stuff. They've been pretty good at doing just that for the past century. In fact, they're batting .1000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIB Posted August 6, 2023 Moderator Share Posted August 6, 2023 11 minutes ago, norseman said: Yes. I am well aware endangered species are protected….🙄 I'll add one more. A species can't be considered endangered unless it has been proven to exist. It can't be considered extinct if it can't be proven to have previously existed. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntster Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 3 hours ago, norseman said: ........I kill house mice every day. I don’t have a tag for them Hiflier........... Mice are not legal game. They're universally regarded as a pest. It's open season on them everywhere. They're not regulated or managed by any wildlife management agency. If you kill them daily, you might want to consider hiring a pest control specialist. Ever hear of pest control when you have bear trouble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huntster Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 1 hour ago, MickMc said: ..........Please....PLEAAAAAAAAAAAASE cant' we all just get along? Sure! As long as we follow the rules, there should be no problems! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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