Why No Troublemaking Adolescent Squatch?

[BobbyO]

If the big one's can hide as well as they do & hiding is clearly as important to them as it is, i'd bet my bottom dollar that they'd go extra lengths in hiding the little one's and giving them a low profile..

& of course this is based on Reports only but i'd say they would on average be over 5ft at what, 5 or 6 Years of age given that they're around about a third taller than Humans on average when fully grown ??

[Guest TooRisky]

Ah come on, we all know they are born fully developed and standing at about 8 foot tall, heck thats just plain common sense there...

It's like assuming bears walk on all fours most of the time when educated and experienced woodsmen know that they walk bipedal 99% of the time...

[Guest vilnoori]

I saw footprints 3 years ago of what I suspect was an adult (15") and a child (8"). You can take a rough guess by human standards that the 15" print was made by 15 X 6.7 = 100.5 inches /12 = 8.375 feet tall individual. I presume the mom. The child, whose behaviour (playing with rocks, singing or humming down by the creek) was like that of a preschooler (age 5-8 years, maybe) was 8 X 6.7 = 53.6 inches, or about 4 1/2 feet tall, give or take a couple inches. I am only a foot taller, and I am an adult modern human female.

This fall I went back into that same area and found a footprint that seemed very tender and was alone. I think it was the same child, too careless to conceal a lone print in the mud or maybe just fooling around. It was about 11 inches long, so x 6.7 = 73.7 inches /12 = just over 6 feet tall (give or take a couple of inches). I would estimate now between 8 years and 11 years old. We also have to give consideration to the fact that studies of neanderthal bones and other prehumans indicate that they matured faster than we do, something intermediate between other great apes and ourselves. So an 8 year old chimp is an adult. A 10 or 12 year old BF might very well be an adolescent already, and on the tall side for human. The males probably would grow for a longer period of time, even as we do, because there are sightings of some pretty big males out there (up to 12 feet), while females seem to average around 7 to 8 feet if they are fully mature. Like us, they might be able to become pregnant at age 11 or 12, or even younger if they mature faster than we do. That would explain the short, young pregnant female sighting.

The speed at which the youngster whose footprints I saw grew made me think it is a male. But who knows.

All of course the roughest of speculations, but we need to think in terms of a real prehuman, and what growth trends are already known for prehumans and great apes.

[Guest vilnoori]

Also I think the sighting my daughter might have had was probably an adolescent, because it was man-sized, and fairly close to the house. It seemed to have been watching her wash dishes. She was a cute blonde thing well worth watching. When she went out onto the porch to see what the dog was scared of, it got scared off and leaped backwards into the bushes next to the house.

[Guest Tontar]

The problem with this topic is that it lends itself to too much imagination. People start to hypothesize about way too much to address a simple issue. A question about why nobody sees young bigfoots ends up with an ever expanding cultural fleshing out of a species that is not even confirmed to exist. A sort of Dungeons and Dragons thing, where a whole virtual world is created from people's imaginations. And over time, these musings end up becoming accepted as fact by a lot of people. Reports about sightings have to filter down into differing degrees of credibility, and the number of reasonably credible accounts of little bigfoots are rare indeed. It's nice to think that there are bigfoots living in the woods, whether solitary like orangs, or in groups like chimps and gorillas, and it's also nice to imagine how they do it, where they go, what they do, how they rear their young and all of that, but to answer the question why are there no trouble making adolescent squatches around is probably best answered with an "I have no idea, that's strange indeed". better that than going down the imagination path that quickly leads to telepathic encounters with bigfoots that come and go between different planes of reality.

[Guest Tontar]

I saw footprints 3 years ago of what I suspect was an adult (15") and a child (8"). You can take a rough guess by human standards that the 15" print was made by 15 X 6.7 = 100.5 inches /12 = 8.375 feet tall individual. I presume the mom. The child, whose behaviour (playing with rocks, singing or humming down by the creek) was like that of a preschooler (age 5-8 years, maybe) was 8 X 6.7 = 53.6 inches, or about 4 1/2 feet tall, give or take a couple inches. I am only a foot taller, and I am an adult modern human female.

This fall I went back into that same area and found a footprint that seemed very tender and was alone. I think it was the same child, too careless to conceal a lone print in the mud or maybe just fooling around. It was about 11 inches long, so x 6.7 = 73.7 inches /12 = just over 6 feet tall (give or take a couple of inches). I would estimate now between 8 years and 11 years old. We also have to give consideration to the fact that studies of neanderthal bones and other prehumans indicate that they matured faster than we do, something intermediate between other great apes and ourselves. So an 8 year old chimp is an adult. A 10 or 12 year old BF might very well be an adolescent already, and on the tall side for human. The males probably would grow for a longer period of time, even as we do, because there are sightings of some pretty big males out there (up to 12 feet), while females seem to average around 7 to 8 feet if they are fully mature. Like us, they might be able to become pregnant at age 11 or 12, or even younger if they mature faster than we do. That would explain the short, young pregnant female sighting.

The speed at which the youngster whose footprints I saw grew made me think it is a male. But who knows.

All of course the roughest of speculations, but we need to think in terms of a real prehuman, and what growth trends are already known for prehumans and great apes.

Any chance of you getting photos of these bigfoots you've been seeing, or of their footprints? It sounds like you have quite the hotspot there, with a variety of sizes, sexes, shapes and maturity. With that sort of presence, you ought to be able to document them into existence once and for all, or contact the BFRO, or someone who would come document them in a presentable form (photos, videos, droppings, or heaven forbid, a live capture). If you could, or if you could contact someone who could, you could lay all that speculation aside and find out what they were truly like.

[Guest]

regarding post #20

That answer would make for rather short and Dull discussions, don't you think.

Edited October 25, 2011 by driveroperator

[Guest Tontar]

Ah, I see. Yes I agree, it would be. Is the point of bigfoot forums about discussions, or about reality and finding out what is real and what is fantasy? I suppose it might be a little of both, but if the real objective is to just talk endlessly about things, pondering the unknown and trying to fill in all the many blanks, I suppose that finding short answers would not be preferable. We could always open more topics that could likewise be less than dull. Like how do we think squatches keep heir nails short? Do they bite them off, do they use an abrasive, do they chip off naturally? Do squatches practice any kind of hygiene? People used to report that they smelled to high heaven, so do they stink like BO, or do they purposely smear themselves with foul smelling scents? If they stink so bad, how would they sneak up on or ambush prey. Prey animals are endowed with great senses of smell, if bigfoots stink so bad, how do they pull off hunting? Plenty of things to talk about that wouldn't be too dull. :-)

[Guest BFSleuth]

i was wondering that if Bogfoot is real, and we all assume that he develops as other mammals, that there would be a period of time where the young are becoming a little independent, leaving the home group area on their own, causing a little mayhem (almost all higher mammals have this period) and maybe sneaking onto people lawns and stealing stuff, heck just being curious about the hairless folks!

So why no sightings of 4 1/2 foot Bigfoot ? Why no obvious photos of medium sized squatches running amok in neighborhoods? Why no panty raids? (lol)

Seriously, all sightings seem to be of enormous creatures and of wee little ones.

I believe your premise is flawed, to say "no sightings of 4 1/2 foot Bigfoot?" I've read many reports in the BFRO database and elsewhere describing sightings of juvenile BF, especially in family groups. You might also reference Meldrum's analysis of BF track size and note that tracks have been taken from 4-5" up to 24" with the mean around 15-16", exhibiting a distribution like a bell curve that would be expected in a population.

[Guest Tontar]

So you ought to rally a posse to get over to that place where that bigfoot family, the young one, the pregnant one, the now young and pregnant one, and the big male one are all hanging out eating fruit from the trees.

Tracks are a lot of fun, but they are simply tracks, made by who knows who, or who knows what. Tracks without an animal making them are JUST TRACKS. These are terrestrial beasts, or people, whatever they might be, not fishes that can escape to the depths where we cannot travel. If they exist, they should be able to be seen, found, photographed more than once, captured, shot, remains found, whatever. If they exist, they'd be living, breathing creatures, capable of being found and documented for real. Not just speculated about. Until that happens, we're all just having fun in the playhouse here. Sorry, but the BFRO database is a far cry from "proof". The same goes for Dr, Meldrum's casts.

[Guest]

You might also reference Meldrum's analysis of BF track size and note that tracks have been taken from 4-5" up to 24" with the mean around 15-16", exhibiting a distribution like a bell curve that would be expected in a population.

Well there's nothing in that analysis to rule out barefoot human or bear prints as the source of those "small bigfoot" prints, but you're right: small bigfoots have been reported by alleged witnesses.

Personally I agree that there should be some young/disabled/etc. bigfoots that should have slipped up by now and allowed themselves to at least be clearly photographed. At the same time, simply assuming that bigfoots live in tight family groups could explain why such slip-ups might be really rare. Those gorilla families I've seen on Animal Planet sure seem to keep a sharp eye on their youngins', so do lions for that matter. . .

[Scarecrow]

The problem with this topic is it takes human adolescent behavior (or primate for that matter) and then makes the assumption that Sasquatch should display that same behavior. This whole topic is more of a thought experiment than a scientific query. If you accept the premise that Sasquatch exists, then you also have to accept the premise that Sasquatch is about the most stealthy creature on the planet. So it would stand to reason, that their infants inherit much of the natural hiding ability and are not given to display the same whimsical (often bordering on careless) behavior as humans children. But I suspect (more speculation) that many of the encounters where people have felt they were being herded or escorted out of an area, happen when they get too close to their little ones, or places of habitat, which would limit the sightings of the adolescents.

[Guest Jodie]

I don't suppose it's just the question of the more vulnerable bigfoot being lacking but also that 10% that you always have that follows the beat of a different drummer. If they are as intelligent as most think they are where are the ones that flaunt the cultural norms for their society? With intelligence comes choice. Have you ever known any higher primate to be 100% cohesive with a group? What happens when they buck the system if their society is that organized? Do they take them out for the common good like Tom Cruise did in War of the Worlds in that basement when the other guy threatened him and his daughter's life by exposing them to the aliens?

[Guest]

Tontar,

I saw two of these critters up close at about 12 to 15 ft. They did not know I was watching them. They are real and breathing. How can I make you believe me? I can't. There are countless posts here where people who claim to see them tries to convince people who have not seen them that it is true.

I have had incredible things happen just by listening to them too because most often that is all you will get. My sighting was extrememly rare as later I learned from places like this.

I try to help those who have not seen them by sharing what I have seen and experienced while looking for them. I know that will never be enough. But one thing I love to take from reports is their Behavior, Because of the witnesses I have talked to and my own experiences, I want to try and get a better understanding of their behavior.

This thread gave me an excuse to delve into the fact that I believe they discipline their young. Sorry If you are looking for another reason to figure out why youngsters are rarely seen,( but they ARE seen too as it is reported) Maybe as we get further into this discussion, ( and I thank you for asking it) we both may find more answers by entertaining the thoughts and experience of others.

Edited October 25, 2011 by driveroperator

[JDL]

If the question is "Why don't the young and inexperienced ones get caught more often by doing something rash?" There are reports, as BobbyO has pointed out. The most commonly published is that of Jacko, who apparently got too close to the edge of a bluff and fell down onto the railroad tracks. Aspects of the Sierra Shooting account may also apply.

I've previously described how a sub-adult female threw a couple of pebbles at me, perhaps just to see what I would do, then retreated up a draw when I tried to catch what I believed was another kid throwing rocks at me. I suspect she hadn't really thought through how I might react.

I'm reminded also of an account from Raincoast Sasquatch about a trapper being chased by a "horde" of small primates. I've always thought that this account was greatly embellished if it contained any truth, but also wondered if it did contain a grain of truth.