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    • Twist
      The obsession never ends.  😔
    • Incorrigible1
      Welcome, QueenB. Are you sure these aren't from NE Kansas?
    • SweatyYeti
      Thanks, Backdoc….I'll certainly try to.     I don't mind following the evidence, either....wherever it leads.  I tried very hard to get answers, and evidence of substance, from kita-KABOOM-ze, regarding his 'Patty suit' claim....but, to no avail.    And, on that note....the reason why I've decided to wait on revealing the time of the filming, is because I am thinking of trying to 'strike a deal' on Jref/ISF, with one of the members there....regarding an exchange of potential hoax evidence.   The trade being.....a significantly later 'filming time', for the PGF.....in exchange for this person questioning his buddy kitakaze...on his 'Patty suit' claim.  On the BFF, kit could play his evasive games with us proponents....but I don't think that tactic would fly over there...with his skeptic buddies. 
    • hiflier
      I've given this poll a lot of thought and I understand the reasoning behind the LDF, gigantor, and it's a good idea. And sure, if there was such a fund it might help defray legal costs incurred from taking a live specimen? But I also think legal costs could be part of a court case stemming from finding a dead one and removing it or a piece of it. Folks seem to think a fund would be only for killing one and it doesn't have to go down like that if priorities are as they currently are: finding a dead one first and foremost.That said, I would vote yes if certain conditions were imposed.   But if anyone wants to know (prolly NOT) what I really think? I would lean more toward a fund to buy equipment for taking e-DNA samples and having them tested. Because I truly think that for the thousands spent in legal counsel for dealing with a creature that was either shot or found dead? 30-50 e-DNA samples could be tested. The Olympic Peninsula nest samples had cost $5000 for 5 tests. So the trick would be finding a way to get costs down and then actually PAYING someone to learn the procedure, go into remote habitat to take samples, document the locations, and then deliver the samples to a reputable lab, either academic or otherwise.   Maybe a separate thread that has a poll for some kind of e-DNA program would satisfy most if not ALL of the no-kill proponents and the pro-kill people as well. Because many of those in the pro-kill camp would rather NOT have to kill one if it could be avoided. Especially if existence and taxonomy could be proved otherwise. I mean if we can stay with a more scientific approach which has been shown to be extremely accurate then all of the dynamics and legal ramifications of killing one disappear.   Of course, finding a dead one would be still on the table. In fact, if a dead one is found? It's location could be documented, the creature itself thoroughly photographed, and then multiple e-DNA samples could be taken of IT!. That way most every other creature will not be a part of the sample. Just tossing my two rocks into the camp here to see what folks think. Bottom line for this thread though is I would be FOR a Legal Defense Fund under certain conditions.        
    • Wolfjewel
      Welcome to the forums, QueenB! The images are probably  not Bigfoot or a hog, but shadows that form likely-looking shapes. A closer view, different angle, or different time of day would reveal nothing there. However — carefully looking at photos and thru spotting scopes is great practice for any kind of nature study (I know from having watched wolves in Yellowstone.) Search for the word Pareidolia (random shadows that appear to be real objects) in the upper right search box here, and you’ll find some very helpful posts about this topic.  Hope that is helpful, not “critical”!
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