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  1. 9 points
    But you wouldnt say a word. Which is your right to do so. Most habituators love the lime light and notoriety of being "experts" right up until you ask for evidence and then they act like you punched them in the mouth.
  2. 8 points
    I’m just back from 2 months or so out West. A month of that spent on Cedar Mesa in SE Utah, wandering down rarely traveled side canyons and up over mesas. It’s not exactly prime Sasquatch habitat but it was a trip afield and my eyes were always out for the anomalous. I saw no signs of our big footed quarry, not surprisingly, nor much sign of less cryptid critters, no rattlers, no cougar tracks, though I did see bobcat and coyote prints, and heard the latter sometimes at night. Bighorn sheep were seen a few times down those seldom visited canyons and Pronghorn and Mule deer up top but pleasantly, no indication of human presence. None of the ubiquitous bud lite cans and no trails, not even footprints, just wilderness **** near the way it was a thousand years ago. On setting out from coastal Maine, my intention was to camp somewhere each night along the way as travelers used to—finding a spot that looked good where one wouldn’t be harassed or attacked by marauding bands of any sort of law, out or otherwise and that was not atop asphalt or concrete. I knew this would be easier once I crossed the Mississippi but I didn't suspect Iowa and Nebraska would be so difficult to hide in. it sure is along the I-80 corridor. With the exception of being awoken one morning by tribal police down a heavily rutted and water-holed two-track just South of Lake Erie on the border of the Cattaraugus reservation (They were concerned I was dumping tires or some such.) and the asphalt that 2 of my tires were parked on outside of Moab, Ut, I managed that for 45 nights or so. It was a trip filled with amazing vistas and long eye stretches not to be had in the thickly forested geography of home. Many nights spent perched along canyon rims looking 1000’ down to the wash or river below and not another soul incarnate for miles around, just the ghosts of the ancestors and the mute yet intelligent silence of stone. Segments of that stone had interesting glyphs pecked into it, somewhat representative of a familiar figure. At the end of my journey, after a sojourn in SLC, UT and along with a fellow conspirator we made the trip out to Skinwalker Ranch, a place I’d heard of but not really known much about. After a wee bit of research we decided to check it out. It is still gated and surveilled by cameras with large no trespassing signs at the entrance to the property. It is also guarded by savage skinwalkers in the form of Owls ( we watched a Great Horned for 10 minutes as it hunted the pasture from telephone pole tops) and dogs, one of which attacked the front tire of the vehicle we were in then assumed such a friendly demeanor so as to lure us out of the car and most assuredly claw our hearts out. We weren’t fooled, though later that night we did return to feed him a blueberry muffin:) Skinwalker ridge, above the ranch was our chosen vantage point and is probably accessible had we been in the Rover but we weren’t at the time so we settled for walking across the sagebrush pasture to the South under cover of darkness. After covering maybe a third of the way, my companion began feeling a sense of dread over not what was ahead but what was behind and suggested we leave. I know to trust that intuition and put up no resistance, so back we headed through the scrub and over the barbed wire into town and a somewhat less dangerous venue--Taco Time for fried empenadas…And that’s about all folks.
  3. 7 points
    I just got back from an exploratory trip to the Mogollon Rim in Arizona. I split my trip into 2 three day camping trips. First section of trip was not BF related, but the second portion was to explore an area that I have never visited (Mogollon Rim northeast of Payson). Based on the SSR Bigfoot reports map below, I targeted to explore the area around Bear Canyon Lake and Knoll Lake. I and a colleague spent one night near Bear Canyon Lake (first photo) and 2 nights near Knoll Lake (2nd photo). These lakes are man-made (both got dams) and are very popular for fishing. Saw lots of people camping in both places the first week of June. On the last day we swung by Woods Lake and it was a zoo of people. My guess is that these Forest Lakes are very popular for folks in Phoenix who are trying to avoid the summer heat and want to do some fishing. Protocol was to hike during the day on abandoned jeep trails and look for tracks or signs. We did limited off-trail hiking to explore some of the canyons. At night, we hiked 2-3 miles into some of these abandoned jeep trails – mainly to better listen to the wildlife and avoid noise from other campers. We heard owls, nighthawks, and other birds that I don’t have the knowledge to categorize. We did not hear any coyotes at night. We saw 2 white tail deer and the skeleton of an elk (probably left by hunters?). We also ran into a dead deer and saw the cougar that killed it (see story below). We saw plenty of deer and elk footprints and scat. We saw no bear or bear scat. We saw no BF footprints nor we heard any anomalous sounds (day or night) while we were there. My Thermal Imager paid for itself on this incident The first night near Bear Canyon Lake, we decided to walk down an abandoned jeep trail that headed north from the lake parking lot and followed Bear Canyon all the way north. This jeep trail is not shown on the topo map. See topo map below with the purple line showing approximately where the trail is. I wanted to explore it because it followed the canyon closely and I figured many animals will be going down to the canyon for water. Also, this trail passed by a power line and was close to quarry (common features of areas with BF presence). We hiked about 1.8-2.0 miles north and headed back around 9:30 PM. On the way back, at about 0.5 mile from lake parking lot (~10 PM), we both saw eye-shine to our right up the hill. (We were using regular white light flashlight and not following the BFRO rules of red-light in order to avoid tripping and falling). We clearly saw 2 eyes but they were not moving. I got my thermal imager out of the bag and set it on white hot with red hot for picking up above average thermal signature. We picked up two red hot signatures that were not moving – one medium size and one small. (The small one was a hot rock). I gave my thermal imager to my colleague and told him to scan the area while I was going to walk to the medium size target to see what it was. The target was about 30-40 ft away up the hill and I could not tell what it was with thermal or flashlight. When I got within 10 ft of it, I shined my flashlight and clearly saw a small dead deer (looked like a fawn). I told my friend that I was going to get closer to take a photo when he said there was a bigger red hot target above me that was moving. Then he said it was a cougar and to get the out of there quickly. The cougar was about 30-40 ft from me per my friend’s assessment. I quickly retreated and took back my thermal imager to see what he was seeing and indeed saw a large 4 legged creature moving sideways (not towards us). We quickly packed up our gear and left. That deer must have been killed recently because its signature was just as hot as the cougar. We did not hear any struggle of the deer (on the way north or south). Even when the cougar was moving, there was no noise. I believe that had we not had the thermal imager, I would have gotten closer to the dead deer and taken that picture and maybe the cougar would have protected its food. Lessons learned for me, when hiking at night: - Look for eye-shine (left and right of trail) as you are hiking - Keep your thermal imager ready to better detect wildlife When I camp solo, I usually do not hike at night and stay put at campsite. But in this case, my colleague and I wanted to explore at night. There are risks when hiking at night and we humans have the disadvantage.
  4. 7 points
    As stated in the "How far up the ladder does knowledge of Sasquatch go?" thread, I did an email interview, in about 2009 or so, with Li Guohua, a Chinese Yeren investigator. He has been researching the Yeren for over 30 years, in the mountains of Shenongjia. Here is the translated version of that interview. Questions for Li Guohua What first got you interested in the Bigfoot (Yeren) phenomena, and how long have you been investigating this creature? Can you describe your first encounter with the Chinese Yeren? Was it a visual encounter, auditory encounter, or an evidence encounter (footprints, hair, scat, etc.)? Can you describe, in as much detail as possible, one of the Yeren that you have seen? What kind of equipment do you use when you go looking for the yeren? Do you have any evidence (eg: plaster casts, hair, scat samples, photos, etc.)? Have you ever experienced eyeshine? Have you ever experienced wood-knocking? Hve you ever tried to initiate contact, or are your field trips totally passive in nature? Have you ever experienced an aggressive Yeren? How would you characterize the Chinese Yeren’s behaviour towards humans? Are they curious, shy, bold, etc.? Have you ever had vocalizations between both yourself and a Yeren, or experienced vocalizations between creatures? How frequently do people report encounters to you, and do you have any current or ongoing investigations? Hello, Mr. Li Guohua! I am Xiao Jie who sent you a text message some time ago. I work in Tonghua Iron and Steel Company, Jilin Province. My husband is a Canadian teacher. Below is the email I sent to you in lieu of him. Thank you for your time and communication with me. I really want to know if the methods and means of tracking savages are different from those of North Americans. My question is as follows: What makes you interested in the phenomenon of savages? How long have you been tracking the savage? Dear Canadian Savage Explorer: Hello! My name is Li Guohua. Before retiring, I was a staff member of the Scientific Research Institute of Shennongjia National Nature Reserve in Hubei, China, and the former member of the scientific research team of the Northwestern Hubei Province. Thank you for your interest in the Yeren exploration business in China. I also hope to learn about the experience of wild people in the foreign countries and the way North Americans explore wild people. I am very happy to discuss the savage in nature with your husband. My nature determines my life pursuit. I like to explore adventures since I was a child. In 1972, as a young intellectual of the year, I left the lotus town in the suburbs of Yichang, my hometown, and became a lumberjack in the Shennongjia forest area in the northwest of Hubei. Our engineering team is located at the halfway up the southern slope of the main peak of the Great Shennongjia at 3106.4 meters above sea level. In the spring of 1973, the mountains often filled with fog, and the wind and snow were mixed. Every day we started to slash in the virgin forests of the mountains and valleys. It was during that time that I often saw clusters of rare animal golden monkeys in the forest and saw the big footprints of the savage on the snow many times. This made me know that there is a kind of human being in nature that can walk upright. A savage of a senior unknown primate exists. Interested in rare animals, interested in mysterious savages, and prompted my destiny to form an indissoluble bond with the savage. In May 1973, I transferred from the engineering team to the cultural department of the forest area. While specializing in local cultural work, I used all my spare time to start an adventure career with the goal of tracking the Yeren. Counting it, I have been searching for them for almost forty years. As long as the existence of the wild man is confirmed, this is not only the most important discovery in the field of natural science in the world, but also has great practical significance for studying the origin and evolution of human beings. According to Engels, “there is a kind of human being in the process of human evolution. The theory of non-inhuman non-human primates can also be scientifically justified. Since the 1970s, the report of local cadres, workers, and peasants witnessing wild people has been constantly spread in the northwest of Hubei Province, and has attracted the attention of the state. The Hubei Provincial Government and the Chinese Academy of Sciences have also jointly organized the scientific research team to enter the mountain twice and conducted investigations on the wild people. On the afternoon of December 12, 1980, Vice Premier Fang Yi and Vice President of the Chinese Academy of Sciences Hu Keshi specially organized a meeting to hear the singularity of the Northwestern Hubei Branch of the Wuhan Branch of the Chinese Academy of Sciences. After listening to the report on the progress of the investigation of the Yerenn by Vice President Cheng, the deputy prime minister of the Chinese Academy of Sciences pointed out: "The problem of Yeren inspection, the scientific problem is most arbitrary. We should not oppose those who have the will. You can't blame people like this. There is such a person in the world, or there will be no Columbus. If you can't find the New World two days later, Columbus may be killed. For those who are so enthusiastic and even disregarding life, we can't say You can't do it, you can't be too arbitrary." Dean Fang Yi's speech inspired my fighting spirit and made me a follower of Columbus. As a member of the scientific research team of the "Singular Animal Science Research Team in Northwest Hubei", my dream is to use my lifelong efforts to uncover the mystery of Yeren for human beings. 2) Can you describe your first encounter with a savage? Did you see it, hear it, or some trace? (such as footprints, hair, stool, etc.) The first time I encountered a savage was on December 5, 1978, when I was interviewed by a colleague from a forestry cultural department to an engineering team that I used to be a lumberjack. When we occasionally climbed the main peak of Shennongjia, we found a large number of wilderness footprints left by a group of Yeren on a mountain snow called Tianlianling. The footprints were 40 cm in size, 30 cm in size, and more than 20 cm - a footprint similar to the footprint of our human adult. The step length was 150 cm in the snow. Seeing the traces of so many savages in the inaccessible, uninhabited alpine jungle, people felt terrified at the time. We pursued along the traces of the savages, and on the hillside not far away, we saw that several Yeren were hunting in the jungle. Because of the fog on the mountain and the distance, I can't see the creatures. I can only see that it is some upright walking. The primitive people who are similar to our human ancestors chased and hunt a large wild animal in the snow. The sight of the Yeren is shocking, and it is very scary. Because there was no preparation, and the traces of the tigers were found on the mountains, we did not dare to approach them. We had to return to the campsite of the Yamashita engineering team dozens of miles away when it was dark. 3) Can you describe the savage you see as much as possible? After discovering the wild man for the first time on December 5, 1978, my heart was completely fascinated by the Yeren. Since then, I have continued to use my Weibo's salary income, using the annual family leave, alone to witness the savages in the past, and discover the wild in the mountains. I don't have a camera, the only inspection tool is a bandit. (A gunpowder shotgun) Every time you enter the mountain for ten days and a half, and for four or five months, you have been lurking in the inaccessible deep mountain virgin forest to search for Yeren. In the mountains, I have to rely on eating dry food for a long time. At night, I can only live under the cliffs with my clothes and spend the cold night around the campfire. The winter climate of the mountains is particularly cold. After several months of continuous in the inaccessible mountains, people have been exhausted. This has caused me to die almost in the mountains several times. On February 28, 1980, I rested under a cliff and suddenly saw a person's shadow coming to me not far away. Careful observation revealed that it was originally a humanoid animal walking upright, with red hair, and no tail. I found the Yeren, I was very surprised, I saw the beast is very tall, but I felt a panic because my body was extremely weak. The Yeren's height is two meters high and the body is very strong. Our distance is only fifty or sixty meters apart. I couldn't catch up, and I didn't have a camera. I saw the Yeren observing me for a while and found that I was not the animal he needed to hunt. He turned and walked away. In desperation, I had to raise the bandit in my hand and aim at the wild man. I thought that as long as I injured the savage, I could catch up with him and find the cave where he lived. But I pulled the trigger several times and the bandit didn't fire. After watching the wild man walking away, I realized that the gunpowder in the bandit had become damp. 4) What equipment do you use when tracking the Yeren? Unfortunately, I am just a scientific explorer who is curious about the Yeren and wants to unravel the mystery of nature. Because the Yeren has not yet been recognized by the academic community, many people in the academic world are not believing in the Yeren. Although I have worked hard to find the wild man for a lifetime, I have never found a funder. Until now, I have not had any high-tech research equipment. In June 1980, I participated in the "Shanxi Animal Scientific Investigation Team in Northwest Hubei" organized by the Chinese Academy of Sciences, I became a scientific research team organized by the government and the Chinese Academy of Sciences, but at that time each scientific research team member was only equipped with a rifle. There are no cameras and other inspection equipment. According to my in-depth investigation for many years, it can be concluded that the Yeren not only exist, but also have a wide distribution. They are basically distributed in Shennongjia and the surrounding counties in the northwest of Hubei Province. The main difficulty in uncovering this natural mystery is that there is no high-tech research equipment, and because the Shennongjia in the northwest of Hubei and the surrounding Daba Mountains are the dense forests of the mountains, it is not a plain or grassland. As long as the Yeren enters the natural barrier of the forest in the deep mountain canyon, the expedition team members can no longer find them. Although I have found five Yeren in total, because the wild people run faster than people, the distance is far, the Yeren is only fifty or sixty meters away from me, I can't catch up with them, so I have been difficult to get the direct science of the existence of the wild man. evidence. The Yeren is running very fast in the forest, so that human beings can't catch up with them. If there is a person who supports me, help me solve high-tech research equipment, and install some far-infrared cameras or far-infrared places where savages often appear. The camera, in the age of our lives, unveiled the mystery of the savage is completely achievable. But in society, especially the conservative forces in the academic world, they all insist on denying the view of the savages. I will not first uncover the mystery of the Yeren to confirm the existence of the wild man. Who is willing to take risks to help me continue to explore the mystery of the Yeren? 5) Do you have evidence? (such as footprints, hair, stool, photos, etc.) During my participation in the singular animal science expedition team in northwestern Hubei Province, I have worked with my colleagues in the scientific research team several times to fill the model of the Yeren footprints with gypsum powder in the mountains. I have also worked with the companions of the expedition team several times in the mountains. The hair of the Yeren, but as a member of the expedition, the plaster model of the footprints we produced was handed over to the expedition team, and may now be stored in the Shennongjia Forest Cultural Center. About the Yeren's hair, we obtained Yeren hair eight times, and then handed it over to the expedition team. Some of them were sent to more than 10 research institutes such as the Institute of Vertebrate Paleontology and Paleoanthropology of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, and they made scientific identification of wild animal hair and wild animals such as orangutans, gibbons, chimpanzees and gorillas. The results of these tests confirmed the hair of the wild man, which is different from the hair of four kinds of human beings and other wild animals known as orangutans, chimpanzees, gorillas, and gibbons. It is confirmed that the Yeren's hair is closest to human hair. There is no Yeren hair in my hand. But I also have photo data of the Yeren hair and photos of the plaster cast of the Yeren's sleeping nest, feces, and Yeren found in the mountains. 6) Have you seen the Yeren's eyes shining at night (eyeshine)? The savage was found many times during the day, and no savage eyes were seen shining at night. 7) Have you ever experienced the savage people interacting with each other by tapping the wood (wood knocks)? I have heard many times in the mountains that the wild people are calling each other for the connection with the same kind. Their voices are extremely rough and monotonous. They are usually called between their companions. They are all "hey, hey, hey, hehe" Howling. No phenomenon was found in which wild people communicated with each other by tapping wood. Are you actively communicating with the savage, or is your field trip only passive? I have found Yeren many times. If in the age of my life, someone can support me to solve the research expenses and high-tech research equipment, such as a digital camera with a telescope head, I can easily shoot it. But until now, I am a lonely and helpless self-funded investigator, so it has been difficult to realize my dream of uncovering the mystery of Yeren for human beings. The Yeren's body is tall, can reach about 2 meters in height, and is particularly stout. They are not like modern people, and their faces are terrifying. Because after seeing the wild man, there is always a certain sense of horror in the psychology of the person. Every time I see the Yeren, I want to approach them. I hope to actively communicate with them, but with the psychological pressure, the Yeren will turn with the eyes. There is a feeling of doubt in people, but to leave in a hurry, which makes me unable to communicate with the Yeren and cannot be friends with them. Yeren does exist, but they should not belong to humans. According to the views of anthropologists of the Chinese Academy of Sciences who participated in the study that year, the Yeren should belong to a family of cockroaches, a descendant of giant python (note: I have no idea what he means by this). During the period of our investigation, the Chinese Academy of Sciences also discovered fossils of ancient giant pythons in Shennongjia in the northwest of Hubei Province and in the surrounding areas of Jixian and Lichuan. Some of China's most famous anthropologists even concluded that the Yeren is the living fossil of the giant clam. The main purpose of my search for wild people is to obtain the physical specimens of the wild people and let the international community recognize the existence of wild people. But I have struggled for a lifetime, and I have never found a funder or supporter in the age of my life. I can only find Yeren again and again, and I can only fail again and again. This is the regret of our time. This is the sorrow of our time. 9) Have you seen an aggressive Yeren? So far, I have not found any savage Yeren, but in the hundreds of Yeren we have documented in recent decades, there are many Yeren who have caught the ire of the Yeren. The example, and there are many examples of modern people who have been caught by the Yeren and escaped after a fight between life and death. For example, the mountain people Yin Hongfa, Zhu Guoqiang and other local mountain people have been caught by the Yeren and they survived after fighting with the wild man. There are also many examples of being caught by wild people into caves. 10) How do you think of wild people's behavior and attitude towards human beings? Are they curious, shy or daring? The Yeren is a worldwide phenomenon, distributed almost everywhere in the world. At the same time, the Yeren is an unknown high-level primate that cannot evolve into human beings. Although they have the characteristics of being able to walk upright, they live in the big forest. In the same way, like the ancestors of our human beings, relying on hunting animals, living with blood and living in the living habits, with the omnivorous characteristics of carnivores and herbivores such as orangutans and bears, the first thing is the wildness of the beasts. They have been able to survive from ancient times to the present. Through my long-distance observation of the wild people, when they saw human beings, they first expressed their curiosity and doubts. They seemed to want to be close, but they were somewhat feared. So after seeing humans, most of them chose to escape. Of course, individual differences, they also have the phenomenon of actively attacking people. 11) Is there an activity between you and the savage? Or is there a voice activity between Yeren? In order to find Yeren, I often like to learn the call of the Yeren in the dense forests of the mountains, and call the creatures. Because of the many materials I have collected, the Yeren hear the humans calling each other and bringing them closer to humans. . Another reason I like to make wilderness calls in the forest is that in the deep mountains isolated from the world, a person is sometimes too lonely, too boring, and calling is also to energize people's spirit. A person often stays alone in the inaccessible mountains and forests for several months. Sometimes he is afraid of his own frequent dysfunction. Sometimes he will learn to call the Yeren in disapproval. This is also because he feels lonely in his own spirit and even fears his own spirit. A condolence to one's own spirit. 12) Do people tell you more about their encounters with the Yeren? Do you have an investigation that is currently underway? During my 30 years of wilderness adventure, I have gone through dozens of dangers of dying, because I have lived in the wild mountains of the uninhabited mountains, so that I have discovered Yeren five times in my life. In the northwest Shennongjia and surrounding counties, Zhushan County, Zhuxi County, Wushan, Wuxi, Chengkou and other counties, I have interviewed more than 400 wild witnesses in more than 90 natural villages with wild people. 400 expedition study notes. My goal in life is to reveal to the world the truth of the existence of wild people in nature and realize the value of my life. My investigation activities have never stopped. In recent years, I have planned many plans to follow the mountain adventure to track the Yeren. If in the age of my life, I can find a rich man who can be interested in Yeren, and fund me to solve high-tech research equipment and funds - (to help me go into the mountains to search for Yeren clues, transport luggage, install far infrared Cameras, cameras and other facilities, as well as the transportation expenses of the inspectors in the mountains, and the expenses of the labor expenses of the collaborators, may only cost 2 million yuan. It takes only one year, and I can shoot the first in the world. A documentary about the habits of Yeren in nature. At that time, all Chinese people may be happy, and all the people on Earth may be happy. But after more than 30 years of hard exploration, it is not easy to find a Yeren. To find a rich man who can have an interest in the Yeren and is willing to help me uncover the mystery of the Yeren may be a hundred times more difficult than finding a Yeren. Traditional ideas are the enemy of scientific progress. Because in China's biological world, especially the animal research department, the animal protection department almost always denies the existence of wild people. I don't first uncover the mystery of the Yeren, I can't conquer the traditional views of the experts who deny the existence of the wild people. . Although China's CCTV, many local TV stations in China, many foreign TV stations, including China's Youku, Hubei TV's story China column, Sichuan TV's charm discovery column, have walked into the place where I work, to me again and again. After discovering the Yeren, there were no more than two hundred interviews. Anthropologists, explorers, and media reporters from all over the world did not have hundreds of people. They traveled across the ocean to China to interview me, but I did not come up with Yeren first. The scientific evidence of existence, the conservative forces in the academic world are still doubting the existence of wild people, no one in the world is willing to give me any support and help before I succeed. Therefore, if a rich person is interested in the Yeren, it may take only a year to uncover the mystery of the Yeren, but I have struggled for a whole life. For nearly four decades, I have been able to use my own Weibo salary, and I have insisted on my own expense to find wild people in the mountains year after year. In my life, in order to uncover the mystery of the Yeren to the world, I was not married until I was 41 years old. Because I have been inspected at my own expense, I have been injured in the mountains many times, and I have to pay for public funds to go to the hospital for treatment. Until I retire, I still owe the public funds of the unit. If the sky has eyes, it will enable me to find a Yeren head in the forest in an extremely difficult and difficult situation, so that the international biological community can recognize the existence of the wild man, I can become a successful scientific explorer in the world today. I walked into the solemn Great Hall of the People to report my feelings of success to my motherland and the people. I can only report to my motherland and the people, "I have dedicated my life to me when I am alive. My most loved nature is dedicated to my most passionate scientific exploration. If my spirit of scientific exploration can be understood by my motherland and the people, my best wish is to be able to make friends with the Communist Party in China. The scientific exploration cause that is beneficial to the progress of human science can be supported by the great Communist Party of China and can be supported by my motherland and the people. My life comes from nature, and my life is exploring. I have spent the rest of my life in science. I have been serving nature for the rest of my life, and I am protecting the ecological environment on which human beings depend. Fighting, in order to protect precious forest resources, at the expense of their own lives to fight against poachers. I have no regrets in life, all my scientific exploration achievements and my spiritual wealth will belong to the world. It will belong to all mankind. I firmly believe that the scientific spirit of mankind cannot be smothered by stubborn conservative forces and traditional ideas. Those who hold the Communist Party and the people to give them power cannot serve the Communist Party and the people. Some bureaucrats of the national and national service forestry authorities, corrupt officials, their powers, will be reclaimed by the great Chinese Communist Party and the great Chinese people. They are targeted by Chinese scientific explorers. The scientific ban on "the Yeren belongs to the folk singularity, the necessity of not examining...there is no organization, no participation, no hype" will be abolished by the great Chinese people." In 2006, 46 experts from Hubei Province signed a joint letter, and wrote to the Party Central Committee and State Council, "Proposing the State to Continue to Organize Shennongjia Wild People Scientific Investigation." The leaders of the Party Central Committee and the State Council attached great importance to it and promptly made the instructions of "hoping to organize relevant experts to demonstrate and negotiate settlement." Jackie Chan, a famous international movie star in Hong Kong, said that he is willing to pay tens of thousands of yuan to support us inspecting wild people and filming Yeren documentaries. However, many domestic animal protection departments, many experts in the animal research department, insisted on denying the view of the existence of wild people, and resolutely disagreed with the state's continued organization of scientific investigations of wild people. Some bureaucratic leading cadres of the state forestry authorities also strongly disagreed. The state organization carried out scientific investigations on wild people. On the grounds that "the wild people belonged to the folks and did not have the need to organize inspections", they even signed the joint signing of 46 experts from the Party Central Committee and the State Council for Hubei Province. The spirit of the instructions of "I hope to organize relevant experts' arguments and negotiate settlements" made by Shennongjia Yeren Scientific Investigation was not accepted, and it was issued that "the Yeren belongs to the folks, there is no need for organization inspection, no organization, no participation, The document of "No Hype" has been resolutely stopped against the Yeren investigation activities that the people of Hubei Province will soon organize. This forced Jackie Chan to fund the local science expedition staff in Hubei Province to prepare for the shooting of the Yeren Documentary. Human civilization begins with exploration. Scientific exploration of the cause is a noble cause that promotes the progress of human society and promotes human civilization. Although it is necessary to carry out the scientific exploration of Yeren in China and the tremendous resistance of some leaders of the forestry authorities, I have been working hard, now I have also began planning the next plan to track the wild people into the mountains. To photograph the Yeren, the main difficulty for me is that I can't solve the high-tech research equipment. I need a financial sponsor or collaborator to help me. After nearly forty years of field exploration, I know the distribution of Yeren, know the habits of Yeren, and there are many adventure lovers in China who want to participate in my activities. They are constantly in contact with me and hope to participate in my adventure tracking Yeren's new plan. Not taking the living habits of the wild people in the forest as documentaries, not only the animal research department, the experts of the animal protection department, the leaders of the forestry authorities expressed doubts about the existence of the wild people, opposed the organization inspection, and the people always expressed their existence to the wild people. doubt. The people have the right to know. Article 47 of the Constitution of the People's Republic of China, Article 3 of the Law of the People's Republic of China on Science and Technology Progress, Article 22 of the Human Rights Law of the People's Republic of China, stipulates: "Citizens of the People' Freedom." "Citizens of the People's Republic of China enjoy the freedom to organize scientific research, literary and artistic creation and other cultural activities. Encourage and promote innovation and international exchanges and cooperation in scientific activities such as science, literature and art." Encourage scientific exploration and technological innovation to make science and technology reach the world's advanced level." I hope to uncover the ideal of the savage nature of human beings, and believe that it is also the common aspiration of all mankind. Now, I have written and published a book, My Yeren Career, based on my own experience of tracking wild people for more than 30 years in the forest. At home and abroad, hundreds of media outlets have reported at home and abroad. At present, I am in good health. As long as I find the first partner in the world who is willing to sponsor me to shoot a savage documentary, I am willing to work with the partners to realize the dream of human beings finally uncovering the mystery of the Yeren. I am also willing to cooperate with the partners. Together, share the success and achievements of the exploration of science. In the age of my life, in my home country, many Chinese people sang the international song "to fight for the truth." But when the Chinese really want to fight for the truth for life, in the face of the firm opposition and suppression of certain bureaucrats in the forestry authorities, in this era of our lives, who is willing to disregard some of the bureaucrats of forestry Resolutely oppose and stop, dare to help me shoot the first documentary about the habits of Yeren for the world? Struggling for the truth for life is my belief in life. Regardless of the bureaucrats of China's forestry authorities, how to ban Chinese people from exploring the mystery of the wild people in the natural world, I will carry out my own career of exploring wild people.
  5. 7 points
    More stories about coverups and genocide only help push the subject more into the realm of Woo.
  6. 6 points
    When I had my first round of stuff happen in 2012, my new neighbor told me her story. She's one of those hard-core environmentalists who have on occasion handcuffed themselves to trees and blocked forest roads to stop logging. She said they were way out in the mountains, camped out, planning their activities. They had a basecamp, tents, tables etc. One night they packed stuff up for the coolers after dinner, but forgot to put them actually away. They felt like they were under constant observation, but attributed the feelings to nerves. That night something ate the food left in the Tupperware, but the lids were back on. Everyone swore it wasn't them the next day. Then they started finding prints. Eventually they began leaving treats for their Bigfoot visitors. Well, until they were all arrested and the camp demolished. When my truck broke down on Memorial Day, I forgot that I was still wearing my knife when the to truck showed up. I removed it and unloaded some gear from my truck. When the driver curiously asked what I was doing in the woods, I just flat out told him that I was bigfooting. His trainee gasped and started yelling at him to tell me his story. Turns out he had his own sighting nearby, same area that we were at. He was on a call to rescue someone, and pulled over to do something (can't remember, maybe to pee?) And when he got back into the rig, 50 feet ahead of him a 9-foot tall, totally ripped male bigfoot crossed the road, looked ight at him, and walked into the bush. The two truck driver said that the Bigfoot knew he was there, and deliberately did it, like it was a test of nerves. He said it was taller than his truck, he would have been eye to eye. You just never know who has had experiences!
  7. 6 points
    About 1977, I was camping near a small lake in a deep mountain valley on the N side of the Fraser River with my 2 sons, who were 13 and 7 at the time. While the youngest boy and I were off-loading gear from the back of my '72 Suburban, the older boy, Steven, was goofing off, not helping. As I was about to call him over to give a hand, he started calling "Dad! Dad! look at this!". I ignored him the first couple of calls, then stepped around the truck the 3rd time he called. He was pointing up the clearcut hillside on the opposite side of the logging road from our campsite. Following his pointing finger, I saw a large patch of black just disappearing into the timberline at the top of the cutblock. I said, "Wow, you just saw a black bear, now come and help us". He insisted that it wasn't a bear that he saw, but a huge, hairy black figure walking on 2 legs. I pressed him pretty hard about the description, and he remained adamant that it walked like us, not like a circus bear on its hind legs. It was in that same valley, a year later, that I had my own sighting, about 10 km (6 mi) from that campsite. The following spring, I found a trackway, in the wet spring snow, on the same side of the valley, crossing a saddle over the mountain to the next valley eastward. This time, I contacted John Green, who lived about 30 km from there, and took him to the trackway the next day. That trackway find, and my telling of my son's sighting, are both in his database. My research partners, Magniaesir, Steenburg, Alohacop, and BigfootHunter, all have either firsthand encounters, or stories from family and friends, that brought them into this field, and brought us all together to continue to search for tangible proof of Sasquatch.
  8. 6 points
    This growth or trend that you have noted has only taken place due to a lack of mental discipline and the need to feel special/important. Many of the characters have been in it now for a decade or more and slowly ease into this way of thinking as there is no better way to explain their failures in their ( half a$$ ) search. Failure shows the faults of the human brain, it is that simple. There is not a drop of evidence for the paranormal Sasquatch and you can take that to the bank.
  9. 6 points
    @JanineRSP OK- I'll bite. I encountered two BF back in 1990 at night near Telluride CO on what is known as the Dallas Divide. I had each one of them in my brights of my truck at very close range- about 8 to 10 feet. I had a camera and might have been able to take a photo, but the idea of putting my camera outside the truck so as to avoid windshield glare when the flash went off was a bit daunting. They were really big; both were seated and I got a good idea of how larger they were because to get past them I had to drive around them- they were literally seated in my lane on the hiway.
  10. 6 points
    POST 1 This summary of my interviews with Frank Ishihara has been delayed awaiting corroborative information from sources both inside and outside the United States. Despite the delay I have chosen to summarize the majority of the information, presented below. I will post any corroborative information relevant to these interviews in this same location should it become available in the future. I contacted Frank Ishihara in May, 2017. I expressed my interest in his knowledge about Kodachrome processing generally and specifically about the issues surrounding the Patterson Gimlin Film. I found him to be quite open to the idea of our discussion. Prior to our interviews I sent Frank several items: the William Munn’s book WHEN ROGER MET PATTY ( 2014), and photocopies of several email messages authored by Frank in 2006 relevant to film processing issues. My goal was to interview Frank about his knowledge of 16mm Kodachrome film processing in the Seattle area during 1967. By talking about the circumstances of film processing in Seattle I hoped to learn the likelihood of a ‘garage lab’ or subterfuge on the part of lab employees somehow being responsible for the processing of the PGF. The interview was framed with Frank’s understanding 1) any portions of our conversations he deemed confidential would be maintained as such, 2) argument has been published to support the PGF as having actually captured on film a real creature, that the answer to the processing questions was a worthy endeavor, and that 3) I would be offering incentives to another witness (Al DeAtley) to speak with me about the processing timeline. After he indicated he had reviewed the documents we conducted our first interview by phone. Our primary interview occurred on June 19, 2017. Over the summer we had several conversations and exchanged a number of emails. We ended up covering a number of topics. I began the initial interview after making certain Frank was clear on three points. 1) We discussed Bill Munn’s book and I made clear Bill’s opinion the film is genuine, that Bill bases his opinion to only what is seen in the film. 2) I explained my background and my intention of documenting my work by affidavit, and 3) that after we had covered a few topics I would focus the last of my questions on his 2006 email messages. I felt it important our interview be framed as a worthy endeavor without influencing Frank’s personal feelings as to whether the Patterson Gimlin film was real or hoax. POST 2 TOPICS COVERED IN THE INTERVIEW: Qualifications and work experience of Frank Ishihara, Frank talked about his education as a chemist at UCLA, his eight years as an Army reservist during the Korean conflict, his initial work at Dynacolor as a lab supervisor, head of chemical mixing, then head of quality control, eventually supervising several shifts of Dynachrome, Kodachrome K-11 and K-12 systems. Frank explained his innovations to the Kodachrome process. We discussed Frank’s recruitment by Technicolor to install Kodachrome processing laboratories at four locations: Seattle Washington (October 1965 thru March 1968), Long Beach California, Rialto California, and Phoenix Arizona. These installations employed Frank’s innovations to the K-12 process including one of the patents he held jointly with his Seattle boss, Leonard Tall. Frank said the goal of the Seattle installation was to introduce a local K-12 processing service to the Pacific Northwest. Dynacolor’s relationship with Kodak/Kodachrome processing We covered the progression of events leading to the availability of K-12 processing in Seattle. Frank explained the suit against Kodak (US versus Kodak, 1954, for anti-competitive practices) and the resulting consent decree that eventually forced Kodak to license the Kodachrome process to competitors. The decree also morphed into a variety of requirements of both Kodak and any licensee, ostensibly for the protection of both. (The requirements are discussed below) Frank explained how Dynacolor purchased such a license early on and not only processed the original Kodachrome film stock (K-11) but also formulated a generic 16mm film stock called Dynachrome, a process very similar to original Kodachrome. Eventually, Dynacolor was licensed to process Kodachrome II film stock (K-12) when the original Kodachrome was discontinued. Dynachrome generic film stock and processing were developed as a consumer/mail-order transaction, a feature Frank later employed with the Seattle K-12 lab installation (see below). The generic film stock was also marketed by Ferrania in Europe. Both Dynachrome and Ferrania were purchased by 3M in 1964. Kodak alone produced K-12 film stock. Discussion about the Northwest division of Technicolor and K12 processing in Seattle Frank talked in detail about his former boss, Leonard Tall. Leonard owned a collection of five camera supply stores during the ’60s and was consequently sensitive to the needs of the consumer photo industry in Seattle. Tall joined the Technicolor corporation in Los Angeles but over a period of time developed a disenchantment with the corporation. He eventually returned to Seattle with a Technicolor plan for establishing a Kodachrome II processing laboratory serving the Pacific Northwest (Tall later co-founded CX Corp., a provider of the majority of photofinishing equipment in the US). Frank said the Seattle installation was focused on branding the name Technicolor as the sole local provider of K-12 processing and doing so with a consumer-direct mail order component for processing. Considerable thought was put towards making the investment pay off as the installation costs were considerable. Technicolor purchased a license from Kodak and then recruited Frank from Dynacolor to install and supervise the K-12 lab in Seattle. Frank’s modified both a Pako linear processor and the K-12 process itself while staying within the requirements of the Kodak specs. In some cases, the modifications were patented. Custom boxes and envelopes were created for handling processed films (clearly labeled TECHNICOLOR and printed in Seattle). Frank redesigned the ‘twin-check’ system that he initially used at Dynachrome, adding the mail-order component to the operation. After the Seattle installation Frank went on to install K-12 processing in Long Beach, Rialto and Phoenix, incorporating several changes to the Pako processing machines unique to the Seattle plant, including at least one alteration that was subsequently patented. Frank reviewed his resume and verified he was in charge of the Technicolor K-12 lab in Seattle from October 1965 to March 1968. He said he didn’t remember taking off any sick days in the time he was in Seattle. (personal email, June 23, 2017) Frank said the operation was shut down Friday morning (6 am) and not started up until Sunday night (6 pm). Nothing could be processed between Friday morning and Sunday night without special arrangement, an event that was provided for and occurred once in Frank’s memory. Frank recounted working with the Seattle laboratory Alpha Cine saying he knew the supervisor there during his time in Seattle. He recalled Alpha Cine did ‘out-lab’ work for Technicolor NW. Frank said Technicolor did all Kodachrome processing for Alpha Cine. In response to my questions Frank wrote, “Never heard of Forde that I can remember since I never had contact with such. I had the only Kodachrome processing operation in the state of Washington. The nearest other Kodachrome processing lab was in San Francisco”. (personal email, June 23, 2017) Discussion of the specifics of the PGF We spent considerable time talking about Bill Munn’s study of the Patterson-Gimlin Film. Frank reviewed Bill’s web site and also read Bill’s book “When Roger Met Patty”. Frank indicated he was open to meeting with Bill for the purpose of determining the film stock and potential processing solutions. At the time of our discussions Frank considered the possibility the film had been produced with 16mm Dynachrome film, a consideration that opened alternative processing solutions. After examining still from the film Frank said he was doubtful it was Dynachrome. Frank believed the stills from the film showed more resolution than afforded by Dynachrome. He said Kodachrome 16mm film stock had in the edge print “Kodachrome” or Kodachrome II” every eight inches. (Bill Munns has since advised me he has found definitive proof the PGF was made with Kodachrome II film stock.) Frank always displayed an interest in examining the original film. On several occasions he said he could prove the film was not processed at Technicolor if he could somehow examine the original film. He explained his alteration of the Pako processor installed for the Seattle lab left latent, tell-tale markings on the emulsion side of the 16mm film stock. He said the markings are not visible in the image area of the film but only along the edges of the stock. I got the impression from Frank the markings were difficult to detect and that you had to know what you were looking for to see them. We talked at length about the problems involved with after-hours film development on weekends. Nothing could be processed from Friday morning till Sunday evening. Frank said the laboratory had a procedure for after-hours operation just for such an occasion as the PGF processing. Frank described one occasion when they did after-hours processing for the government; Leonard Tall called Frank on a Friday evening saying a film needed to be in Washington DC on the following Monday. They (Frank and Leonard) processed the film. Only Frank and Leonard went into the lab on that Saturday and they processed the film together. Frank indicated that Leonard Tall was the only other individual at the Technicolor lab capable of processing a Kodachrome film outside of normal hours. Together they did the government order and “reviewed that picture” before releasing it. Frank said operation of the lab was complicated enough and involved enough people that it made no sense for someone to keep any processing a clandestine operation. Their lab had procedures in place for after-hours processing and the staff would have been very happy to do a professional job for a fee. Working outside lab policies could risk a mistake that would invoke a violation of the license with Kodak. Frank said, “ Leonard Tall would not risk losing the process for a few hundred bucks by letting someone else other than my team run it. Then, there is no covering up a screw-up”. From Frank’s email message of June 23, 2017, discussing the complexity of secretly processing the PGF: “DeAtley's remarks do not hold water. I would give DeAtley a lot of credit for being able to find any lab on the west coast, make contact with a management person (on the weekend?) to authorize and bring in operators(s) to process it (the film), then pay them off. Now we are looking at thousands of dollars. And he would have to negotiate deals with more than one person, maybe weeks in advance.” Frank said keeping the after-hours processing a secret made no sense. In the early weeks of August 2017, I tried to contact Frank for clarifications on several topics. He did not answer my emails or return my calls. In October I was contacted by Frank’s daughter. She indicated Frank entered the hospital on August 8 and was never discharged. He passed away on October 8, 2017.
  11. 6 points
    True, but that might be primarily because of the military role they expected the apes to play. Dogs have been weaponized since before recorded human history and they remain in use for multiple roles. We’ve used chimps as human-like guinea pigs in the space race and other scientific experiments. Dolphins are in use currently in several naval roles. Frankly, I don’t see a role for apes or sasquatches that humans can’t do better primarily due to reliability. Dogs and dolphins want to please. Even humans are iffy on that account. Mature apes and sasquatches would as soon blow you off as a bear would, especially males. Even R&R time with the local women doesn’t seem to improve their attitudes and cooperation. They’re like our own Incorrigible1: completely incorrigible..........especially with the local women..........
  12. 6 points
    Two weeks elk archery hunting no luck but still a great time. Skamania County WA, right in the heart of BF country. Squirrels made some great knocks with those big fir cones. My partner ran into a big black bear that was chowing down on huckleberries. He left the area because all he was carrying was a bow. Took his revolver with him after that. I followed a cougar this morning that was tracking a deer last night. Hope he got it so he wasn't looking for something else for dinner.
  13. 5 points
    It’s easy to look at sighting reports and pick em apart. And things like audio files in which a pack of coyotes is being described as Bigfoot vocalizations. But do any of us have any close family and friends claiming to have seen a Bigfoot with conviction? Unlike some of you? I’m not a knower. But I would like to share a few stories with you. With the standard disclaimer that physical evidence is needed. My father had a cabin up by mount Index, one night while walking back to his cabin in the dark. Something large and grey crossed the road in front of him. Now he openly admits that he had been drinking..... but not that much. He said that it could have been a mountain goat. But he had never seen a mountain goat that low before and along the river. Dad was a prolific hunter in his younger days. Had a friend who sold me my engraving shop. She swore while coming back to Kettle Falls along the Kettle river by the boulder creek road she had a Bigfoot cross the hwy 395 right in front of her. Her husband is a good guy, but definitely gave her quite a bit of flak for sharing that story. But she has never backed down. She was adamant being a local it wasn’t a known animal. My packing partner who is also a member of the BCHA claims to have heard a frightening sound while riding his horse. He never saw what made it. I had some examples of the Sierra sounds and he picked out the sound byte that starts out as growls, snarls and gibberish and then breaks out into whistling as the closest to what he heard. He said that his horse was having none of it. And it freaked him out. He lives in Ferry county and has Bears and Cougars in his yard. No joke. One of our own BCwitness who I have met twice with in BC while doing some jet boat repairs up there had his own sighting. I respect him to the utmost as a woodsman and his prowess in the woods. And BC is BC.... it’s a massive province with most of the population living in one city.... the rest is mountains, trees and glaciers. I think BC is likely the best last place on Earth for the search. I have spent a lot of time in the Kootenay region as they call it, a lot of country up there. Like Alaska big....and as remote. Getting guns up there is problematic tho. Of course my own snow track story you guys have heard a million times. Do any of you have any stories to share of your own or others? Does having someone close to you a witness sway your own beliefs? Discuss!
  14. 5 points
    I apologize for my tardy response Hiflier. I have been thinking about how I might answer your questions (and whether or not I could). 1st a disclaimer: I was educated as a paleobiologist. I have studied fossil invertebrate populations with regard to their specific variations (variations within a species due to ontogeny - that is growth from infant to adolescent to adult), parasitism by competing organisms, and evolutionary considerations as they impact our understanding of the genus, family, and order classifications in a particular class of invertebrates. I have taken graduate level courses in genetics and evolution (but a long time ago - invertebrate zoology was one of my two minor subjects), BUT I AM NOT A GENETICIST! So take what I might say with some healthy skepticism - and I welcome discussion from real geneticists (and I am guessing from your questions that you already know most, if not all, of what I am going to say). Some good news: With regard to DNA, hair is amazingly stable in a variety of environments that would be considered risky in other respects. That is mainly due to the presence of cuticle, the outermost hard layer of a three-layered hair shaft (inner medulla, medial cortex, outer cuticle). The cuticle protects the medulla, and the medulla contains a lot of mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA). Some bad news: Nuclear DNA (nDNA or nuDNA) is lost in the process of cornification - in which protein cells become hair. Although many people think that a follicle needs to be attached to a hair shaft for extraction of nDNA, nDNA has occasionally been extracted from the medulla of a hair shaft - sometimes months or even years after the hair has been pulled/shed from a human body - I guess this should be included under the "good news". In most cases the best that one can expect from hair in terms of DNA is mtDNA. mtDNA is not pertinent for ID'ing individuals, but works for ID'ing species (if that species' genome is included in an existing gene bank - and it should be useful as a match for higher classifications as well, such as genus, subfamily, and family). According to at least two hair experts, Sasquatch hair commonly lacks a medulla, and, when present, the Sasquatch medulla is discontinuous and not prominent. A number of mtDNA studies of purported Sasquatch hair have suggested Homo sapiens, and the natural conclusion is human contamination. There are a variety of methods for decontaminating DNA samples, and actually hair, again because of the protective cuticle, is especially prone to successful decontamination. As I have said in other threads, there exist in all know human DNA (ALL HUMAN DNA) genetic markers that are unique to Homo sapiens, so any DNA researcher looking to verify human contamination or to suggest the existence of other than human DNA, must look for one, or a few, of those markers, else he/she is falling short of performing adequate study (trying to be kind here to past researchers - I would rather say #*&@&%$*!). I think study of suspected Sasquatch hair is worth study, without regard to external environmental challenges and without regard to time in environment. I am not like the body of posters on this site (mainly inductive reasoners - some brilliant, some notsomuch) that can run through a myriad of explanations and possibilities addressing a single data point. I am admittedly not brilliant - I am a plodder. I try to gather a lot of data and methodically work through that data to try to understand it (that's a tough thing in this Sasquatch world containing a fair bit of purely anecdotal data). If I were confronted with testing old hair for DNA or making the determination no to do so because conclusive results might be unlikely, I would say do the analysis - one never knows what might turn up (my experience has been the more one learns, the more one realizes there is more to learn). I had planned to address your questions more directly, but I am running out of gas. The subject does interest me, however, and I look forward to more communication with you.
  15. 5 points
    Now that I have nothing to do on the weekends, since my truck is broken down, I've been rewatching some of my favorite videos. This is one of my favorites. It's the one I show folks who question if bigfoots might actually exist and why they behave as they do.
  16. 5 points
    Godel would like a word... Why are more and more researchers going to "the other side"? Simple: more and more are realizing that's where the information leads. What's meant by "paranormal" anyway? Beyond our comprehension. In that sense, sasquatch is "paranormal" no matter which reported aspects you pick for your image of them and which you leave on the vine. Do their eyes glow? Yes absolutely, reported and recorded ad nauseam, personally witnessed at length. How is this possible? We have a handful of vaguely plausible mechanisms from examples of biochemical luminescence, but I think we'd all agree this phenomenon is a bit beyond our comprehension. How does "zapping" work? Oh infrasound, we have precedence in elephants and tigers, sure... and so perhaps sasquatch can "somehow" direct this in such a targeted way to provoke a specific response in humans, sure. But we have no confirmation it's even infrasound they're using to begin with, no recordings of growls with microphones with sub-20 Hz ranges to study the frequency spectrum. A bit beyond our comprehension. Why does someone like Les Stroud come forward with a mindspeak experience? He has no need for the extra attention, and he probably knows full well it's not going to get him the type of attention he's looking for with regards to his pursuit of sasquatch. Guts, as Sasfooty says, or put another way, intellectual integrity. The idea that the "paranormal" side of sasquatch (hereafter referred to less with the less loaded term 'high strangeness') is a cop out to make it easier to accept a lack of this or that evidence is itself a cop-out, helping you to feel comfortable to not bother scrutinizing any of this information, and to ignore and dismiss anyone who does. Want some more testimonials? I'd highly recommend these couple of interviews with DB Donlon and Rich Germeau, who both do a great job portraying how the strangeness of sasquatch can confront you personally, irrespective of how you feel about it (site seems to be under construction, hence the archive links). I think I'm a bit the opposite of many of you in that I'm a scientist by day and a sasquatch hobbyist, a "casual", where you all do anything but science by day and bring this sort of hell-bent enthusiasm for a "scientific approach" to sasquatch. There's a heavy emphasis on tangible evidence and obtaining proof, and an aversion to speculation. Published science relies on these things. However, the aspect of the practice of science I think goes often unappreciated is the amount of speculative thinking and dialogue behind the scenes. Scientists love to speculate, this is hypothesis generating. A lot of thought goes into just making sense of a lot of different angles of phenomena in the abstract. Then you design experiments around your hypotheses, and hopefully you get some compelling data you can publish. I have no interest in proving sasquatch to the world, and I've come to favor the idea that this goal is directly at odds with what I am interested in, which is learning the truth about them. They seem to want our discoveries of them to be personal, and like it or not, they seem to have ample ability to control situations to get their wishes. So if this is an "epidemic" as you say, it's an epidemic of open-mindedness, not of lazy thinking, and I think that's great. If it's all nonsense, time will tell as it will lead nowhere. But I think there's already a trace of the level of consistency in reports with high strangeness aspects as there are in the more mundane traditional reports that have accrued in great numbers, and that consistency is something to really pay attention to as data comes to your attention.
  17. 5 points
    Thank you. I must admit to being dumbfounded that a purely technical and factual answer of laboratory procedures is somehow "disapproved". It reminds me of our dear departed court jester, Squatchy, who voted down a posting of mine that was pure fact and technical reference. Maybe some people are offended that i actually have some knowledge to contribute to the discussion. Oh well. I'll just continue to dwell in the land of facts, knowledge, and truth. Nice place to live. Bill
  18. 5 points
    First, there's only one film reel confirmed, a second one widely rumored but not confirmed, and no evidence of a third reel. Lab technicians do examine film after they process it, but they are looking for three things: 1. Scratches on the film, because if there are scratches, the customer will likely blame the labs equipment for the scratch, when it can be from the camera. So the lab technician checks to protect the lab from a complaint. 2. The lab technician looks for any footage that is sexually explicit, because back in 1967, there were still many obscenity laws and a lab could be held criminally liable for processing such. 3. The lab looks for film that may be noticeably out of focus or over-under exposed, or other flaws in the camerawork so they can advise the customer. I had Spectra labs process some 16mm footage used in PGF research in 2008, and the camera used had a weak hinge on the pressure plate, so the film partially pulled down during the exposure, causing pulldown motion blur. Spectra labs called us as soon as they saw that, to let us know, so we'd have time to re-shoot if possible. Aside from those three situations, they are not really looking at the content of the pictures, and the PGF (when glancing at the footage itself, not projected), just looks like some footage in a forest. Nothing to arouse suspicion or inspire a closer look.
  19. 5 points
    Certainly. This: Do you have any idea how inhumanly cold blooded that sounds? That answers your own question better than I ever could. I choose not to participate in murder. If a body is required for proof, and I think it likely is, then proving oversteps my ethical boundaries. The ends do not justify the means. MIB
  20. 5 points
    Interesting comment - forested acres by state. I put the number of BFRO listings by state into a spreadsheet with BobbyO's forested acres by state, added state populations (2010 census), and generated a graph showing BFRO listings normalized for forested acres and population. Here are four graphs: 1 Number of BFRO Listings by State 2 Number of Forested Acres by State 3 Residents per Forested Acre by State 4 BFRO Listings by State Normalized for Forested Acres and Population. The last graph, while still being the result of some fairly sloppy data, to me represents a more likely sasquatch population distribution. If data for the Canadian Yukon, Northwest Territories, British Columbia, and Alberta (and perhaps Ontario) could be added, I think we could better flesh out what appears to me to be approaching a log-normal population distribution (common in nature). 1 BFRO Listings by State.pdf 2 Forested Acres by State.pdf 3 Residents per Forested Acre by State.pdf 4 BFRO Listings Normalized for People_Forested Acre by State.pdf
  21. 5 points
    As of today, there are only 200 "unclassified" reports in the SSR database. Within a few months, I plan to have that number at ZERO. There were 858 on December 18th. That's 658 old reports done in 4 months, plus 15 brand new ones.There are 6640 "classified" reports completed. Here is how they break out:
  22. 5 points
    It helps to understand a camera operator's behaviors. In a planned and deliberate filming situation (such as a filmed performance, or a hoax), the camera operator never puts his/her finger on the camera trigger (start/stop device) unless the operator is intending to film. Once doing that, the operator holds that steady for the duration of the intended shot. If moving on uneven or irregular ground, the camera operator puts the camera on with a control that doesn't need a constant hold to continue. And the K-100 has such a control. The trigger lever has four positions. "OFF" is the default position. "One UP" with take one frame of film only, for stop-motion filming effects. "One-Down" will run the camera continuously, as long as the operator holds the lever in that position, and a spring will push the lever to "OFF" if the finger releases hold on the lever. "TWO-DOWN" position locks the camera on, and the operator can release the finger hold, and the camera will continue to run, until a finger deliberately pushes the lever up to "off". So an operator filming deliberately and wanting to insure the camera runs without interruption simply pulls the lever two steps down to locked "ON", and can let go, until desiring to stop the filming. If Roger was faking the film, that's what he would have done, given his actor a signal to start walking, and he's switch on the camera locked in "on" position, and chased his actor until he ran out of film. Then he could shake the camera all he wanted, let it fly around as he ran over the uneven terrain, and get the appearance of a wild chase. But the camera wouldn't have started and stopped six times in the filming. An operator filming in an unplanned situation, where there's no control of the filmed subject, will keep his/her finger on the trigger lever and only pull down to the first "on" position, so he can release it and stop the camera as soon as he's aware the shot may not be useful footage, to save film. And he may accidentally release the lever unintentionally, and then re-start as soon as he realizes what happened. A operator filming deliberately, would never stop and re-start because that would signify he was an amateur, and might likely get him fired from the job when the producer reviews footage in the screening room.
  23. 5 points
    They know your mind and they know your heart. "Worthiness" is why 99.99% of persons attempting an encounter will fail. ShadowBorn, it never occurred to me that 'ShadowBorn' could be an Indian name. I am 100% anglo, but if I had an indian name it would be " Slower traffic keep right".
  24. 5 points
    gigantor, Here it is, really no comparison to the PGF sasquatch. Just another example of a man in a suit lookin' nothin' like the filmed sasquatch seen in the PGF. Even the few steps he takes wearin' the suit, he seems to have trouble with. Pat...
  25. 5 points
    Some skeptics have gotten themselves into a strange negative feedback loop wherein something must be a hoax for the sole reason that the thing shouldn't exist, not for a reason that is some kind of rational or logical breakdown of some form of evidence. If they find some evidence within the map itself that indicates that it is not legitimately old through dating or material analysis then that is a reasonable reason to present it as a hoax. If they merely find the prospect that something interferes with their presumed model of history to be distasteful that is not sufficient reason to discount an actual material piece of evidence. These sorts of behaviors are a defect in academia that has likely developed much as any trait evolves; for self-preservation. Thousands of eye-witness reports by reputable witnesses in all levels of society, foot prints with dermal ridges verified by foremost experts, unidentifiable DNA in biological specimens, audio recordings analyzed by audiological experts and cryptolinguists to be legitimate, all in combination with film that cannot be disproved even if it cannot be wholly proven on its own, a historical record of reports accurately describing the same observances worldwide. At a certain point it's not illogical to entertain the possibility of a cover-up because there is a level of obstinacy and denial that sometimes seems more mysterious than Sasquatch, which itself is not in my view not nearly the preposterous prospect that so many people seem to view it as.
  26. 5 points
    "They" most certainly exist, and they exist in substantial number. Perhaps very few frequent this particular forum, but if you broaden the terrain they occupy, to include the general internet presence and other forums, or broader still to the general population, including "The Amazing Meeting" participants, then you'll find that "they" are legion. Most extraordinary claims fail because they are based largely (or solely) on anecdotal evidence, which is the bottom of the evidence barrel in terms of quality or reliability. Thus those refuting the claims tend to heavily explore the "backstory", the circumstances surrounding the claimed event. The PGF is unique in the sheer volume of good empirical evidence available to study and determine conclusions. And it always surprises me that those who are confident it is a hoax don't delve into that remarkable trove of good empirical evidence to prove their claim, that the film is a hoax. All attempts thus far have been lame and failed to achieve the goal, so people advocating a hoax have seized the "backstory" as their last hurrah, their "hail Mary" . And the timeline controversy (how, where, and when the film was developed) is one of the centerpieces of their attempt to prove a hoax with the backstory. It never ceases to amaze me that those who dwell on the backstory somehow embrace a foolish hope destined to fail, and that is the hope that the backstory will somehow rise above and defeat the truth the image data, the excellent empirical data, reveals. It never will, any more than if a mouse got into a shoving match with an elephant. The sheer mass of the latter, compared to the utter lack of mass in the former, guarantees only one result. The sheer mass will prevail. The sheer mass of the PGf is the empirical image data, an awesome trove of 954 photographic images in a motion picture sequence, filmed on a very high quality film and processed for an excellent image quality level. I see the occasional skeptic or critic try to belittle the "Just look at the film" approach, but it is merely a desperate smokescreen. When there is excellent empirical evidence, it will lead to the truth, and messy, vague and conflicting human anecdotes will never defeat the real evidence. But "They" will keep trying. For the record, by "They" , I am referring to those who advocate the film is a hoax, and rely upon the backstory as their principle argumentative resource.
  27. 5 points
    I have no issue with what you believe, your perspective is born of your experience and I simply think that it may not be accurate. I can respect honesty and humility and I do believe that you have expressed both, to my knowledge you have not claimed a great secret or expertise from your experience. I respect that you can't explain your position and that you do not try to wave it around as a fact. I do have issue with the majority of folks who endlessly claim that Sasquatch in fact have supernatural or advanced capabilities, these people can't produce a single piece of evidence that has weight. Not a single one can lay clear casts on the table, show an unknown hair example or play an audio clip of anything other than an owl, coyote or neighbors arguing in the distance. They instead claim that they have all this knowledge, info and top shelf evidence but they will not share it out of respect or special interests. You will also note that any topic always comes around into self importance or what they know and what you don't. It never seems to be about expanding the truth or explaining how. But why would they, they after all are the 13th member of the council of 12. The strange thing about this is that for some reason there are people out there who who can produce this information and they are not having Woo experiences. These people actually focus on the details you can see, touch and breakdown. Why does this methodology pan out far better than anything else suggested or plastered on an internet forum of facebook ? It also just happens that these people can actually explain things in detail, they have a natural ability to lead by example, they can consider other perspectives and the different ways people arrive at conclusions and most of all they don't consider themselves to be the most important aspect of the situation. For some reason they can track a set of prints, predict report generation, gather unknown audio recordings, and record thermal footage. This really should not sit well with anyone who genuinely examines all the information, why do the guys with less information on the " reality " of Sasquatch end up with a weighted table ? I have sat down and talked with many people who claim Woo experiences ( dozens ) and strangely the majority of them are either self important and deceptive or unstable and delusional. This is not just my perception and conclusion, the majority of friends and family that interact with these individuals often have further evidence that this is true or at the very least agree that they are mentally unwell in some way. This is yet another win on the side of science, this test is repeatable and consistent just as much so as the flesh and blood search results. The only argument left to try and suggest is that this group has not come up with a body and that argument has been put to bed long before this hour and so we still end up right here in the conversation. I have also watched people switch sides and it was more than easy to predict, these people simply lack mental discipline and need to believe something to feel significant or to cope with something. Dealing with failure is simply harder than saying that the subject is just bigger than what anyone can handle or prove, it is huge release to be able to believe you are in the midst of these creatures and that you are special or chosen. You then don't have to feel like you lost or gave up, you just get to sit back and experience. It is easy to believe in magic, all you have to do is not pursue the physical truth long enough. This is entirely a human problem. The individual mind finds ways to explain what it can't grasp and most often this conclusion is not the measurable truth. To address the BFRO comments I am going to quote myself from another topic. " The BFRO does not guide you out to gander at Sasquatch the way people do at animals in Yellowstone and nor do we put you on a pack-horse into the most remote locations where a tire may not have met the road in a decade to prepare for a 6 month grant program to be the next Jane G. This is a common misconception of what we are about as an organization ( I am not speaking for ever single expedition or organizer, some members have their own code of ethics and conduct ). The BFRO as a whole provides a form of education on the entire subject and how it relates to area ecology and history. Folks have the opportunity to learn and connect with BFRO members for guidance on some of the points below. We provide attendees to accessible locations that repeatedly generate reports at particular times of the year, we put people in the best position possible to have an experience but we do not promise anything except research methodology and environmental education. We give directed presentations on witness evaluation, reported behavior, field operations, implementation of thermal/audio technology and basic ecology. We also offer classes on habitat evaluation, report documentation, data mapping, track casting, DNA collection and nighttime observation. We offer perspective, knowledge, methods, tools and hands on experience so you can go out on your own and maximize your odds of encountering these animals. It is not impossible that hoaxing does take place on a small percentage of expeditions, both attendees and X-members have been caught in the past doing so. I can speak for the majority of the western US expeds as being honest and professional in nature, no monkey business. Honestly it is getting more and more difficult to hoax in events like this because of thermal cameras and drones ( the BFRO has a number of units ). On the expeditions I have been a part of we did allow folks to have handguns as long as they abide by the laws of the region and do not make presence of it in group settings. That being said some organizers are exception as they personally feel the risk of something going wrong is high, having a bunch of folk running around in the dark all jazzed up over something popping in the bush could end badly. On another note, if an attendee was inclined to try and hoax something then there is a possibility they themselves could be hurt or worse if another person carrying reacts incorrectly. I had never heard that attendees had to stay in their tents, that is new to me. On the expeditions I have been a part of we actually encourage folks to stay out as late as 3 am to try and provoke interaction or possibly get something to follow groups back toward base-camp . We do setup folks in groups to be moved with a member or repeater, this is a safety policy so nobody is hurt or lost.
  28. 5 points
    When I was younger in the coastal rain forests of Oregon , in one year of hunting and hiking/camping, I would see 300 plus black tailed deer, at least half as many porcupines and as many coyotes, and several bobcats. Rabbits and California quail abounded. Elk were everywhere. Now in one year I see about 20 to 50 black tailed deer, two or three coyotes, zero porcupines ,bobcats, California quail, and elk. Some years I can see up to 12 elk but rarely any at all. My point is, as populations and the habitat changes, it effects every living thing. I don't see any reason why Sasqatches would be any different.
  29. 5 points
    Massacre Theory aside, and regarding access to federal lands, below is a screen shot I finally figured out how to take from an SSR query downloaded to Google Earth. It is a map of the SSR database of bigfoot reports in the Six Rivers National Forest, including the Bluff Creek/Blue Mountain area. You can see the two clustered hot spots, the southern interior one being the Bluff Creek/Blue Mountain area, and the northern coastal one being the lower Smith River drainage between Crescent City and Gasquet. Of the two areas, the lower Smith River has many thousands of people living there, and has excellent access as the junction of US101 and US199. The cluster of reports is likely due to both a population of sasquatches in the area and a lot of people to see them. The Bluff Creek cluster is quite different. There are no cities there, and access is extremely limited. The only significant highway is Hwy 96, a secondary highway between Yreka on I-5 and Eureka on US101, and the several towns are all very small and on the highway. To get to the Bluff Creek PG site area one must travel 25 miles on Forest Service roads to where one must walk the final mile to the site. But all Forest Service roads in Six Rivers National Forest are closed to motorized vehicles from October 22 to June 15 each year, a total of nearly 8 months, or 67% of the entire year. So you walk, or ride a horse, or you are violating the law. Why is this? Is it to protect critical sasquatch habitat? Certainly not officially, but it sure gives that sasquatch population a good break from intrusion, harassment, and potential discovery, especially considering the fact that if they're moving around in snow, they're putting out many more footprints to follow than in the summer. Officially, this road closure is to protect the Port Orford cedar from the Port Orford cedar root disease that your nasty vehicle can spread: https://www.triplicate.com/error404/5791603-151/some-forest-roads-closed-to-prevent-port-orford So throughout the southwestern Oregon and northwest California national forest lands, which are also the majority of the regions remote land mass and one of the hottest sasquatch report areas on the continent, the feds are significantly limiting your access. The Forest Service has a huge toolbox. They have no need to "discover" sasquatches in order to keep you and I out of their playground. Coverup? Probably not. And it's extremely unlikely that this is an overt and specific move to keep thier sasquatches undiscovered. But it sure helps sasquatches stay secret. It sure would be interesting to be left in there on October 21st with a comfortable camp, plenty of food and supplies, and a pair of snowshoes, then when you run out of food, just walk out with your firearms and electronics, then drive back in there on June 16th to retrieve your camp.........and game cams.............
  30. 5 points
    For anyone interested, here is a basic primer on some of Google Earth's functions. My son introduced me to the program 13 years ago this month, shortly after we migrated from dial-up to broadband internet. Since then I have spent uncounted hours using Google Earth, including looking for our elusive bi-pedal primate. While I do use the mobile version of the app on my phone and tablet, it is much more limited in function and can be difficult to navigate at close range compared to the computer version. The following info is for the PC computer version, not sure if or how it may vary on a Mac. A year of two ago, Google made the Pro version available for free to replace the standard version. To ensure you have the latest version, click the Help button in the menu bar and select about. The dialog box should match the following image, if it doesn't just go to the Google Earth home page in your browser and update to the latest version: A quick way to determine if an object is a living creature or a landscape feature is to use the Historical Imagery tool; it is the small clock face icon with a green arrow wrapped around in a counter clockwise direction. To demonstrate I'm using an angled view of Yosemite Valley from about 2,000' above the valley floor. The first image is what shows without activating the function and is from 5/26/14. When you begin using this function you will notice, as in subsequent images, that the newest image may not be the one generally displayed when not using the historical imagery, which is generally the best of recent images. Also, for whatever reason, the views are sometimes out of order with a newer one showing up in an "older" spot on the slider, and sometimes the dates are inconsistent with the image, i.e. an image of a deciduous forest may appear with no leaves showing in an image dated in mid July, or vice-versa. On all but one of these images, I'm using the Snip tool in Windows to save the images rather than the Save Image button second from the right in the tool bar above the image area in the program. The reason is so that all of the tools and information show, which they do not if using the Save Image button as below: This will allow sharing a wider overview of an area without disclosing the actual latitude and longitude, which the OP has expressed a desire to keep confidential. The following are some representative examples of the historical images for this location, though there are many more not shown, more than in less well known areas. Notice that the newest is from 2017, but is of poorer quality than the default 2014 image. The 2012 image, as well as the oldest image from 1987 are both monochrome: The button fifth from the right is a ruler and opens a dialog box that allows measuring distances in miles or kilometers, or the size of smaller objects using meters, yards, feet, inches, etc. It allows straight line and path measuring, as well as some geometric functions I haven't explored: The next image shows a random line measured across the valley floor in feet; note that the result is shown in Map length (point to point), Ground length (accounting for terrain covered) as well as the compass heading of the line: There is an option for saving the measurements which allows the line color, width and transparency to be adjusted. Using the push pin icon in the toolbar allows a location to be saved in the same way. The next two images show the dialog boxes for identifying the location and setting the color of the marker pin and the legend appearing on the screen. You can also change the color of the pin or even select a different icon as I did with the tent icon in the second image. Note on the bar to the left of the image area, there is a box for Places. The last entry now shows the location I just saved highlighted in blue. While I have over a hundred saved locations and paths, they only show up in the image area if the box to the left of the item is checked. Things would be pretty crowded on my screen in some areas if all of the saved locations and paths were showing at the same time. The last item I'll cover is the Photorealistic 3D option (this is also available in the mobile version though the operation is a bit different). This option is relatively recent and new areas are added all the time. The 3-D images are created in a separate operation. The area selected is overflown in a grid pattern by a specially equipped aircraft using eight Hi Def cameras each pointing down at a different angle. The images are compiled by computer algorithm and are pretty spectacular (there is a youtube video explaining the process but you'll have to find it on your own). The option is selected in the Layers section at the bottom of the left hand sidebar. The next image shows the same area in Photorealistic 3-D: Hope this is useful. There are many functions I've never used in Google Earth, but if anyone has questions I'll try to answer.
  31. 5 points
    Its pretty well-known that many organisms have two aspects to better exploit the environment. The two aspects are 'robust' and 'gracile'. Some examples: ravens and crows, wolves and coyotes, rats and mice. Its well understood that humans are the gracile form of our species. Its a theory that our robust form is extinct. I can tell you that the two individuals I encountered were quite purposeful and obviously self-aware. Who knows if they are our actual robust form (one theory holds that Neanderthals are our robust form); I can't say anything about that.
  32. 5 points
    Haven't been here in ages, but this thread has been entertaining to say the least. Due entirely to my contrarian nature - to the OP - I'll make a few observations. First, I don't think they're migratory or perpetually wandering. Any canny man living in wild country that gets cold knows to set aside food supplies gathered in Summer and Fall. They also know to range and hunt far from their winter quarters - leaving the nearby game alone - as it's hard to hunt in the winter, and the closer game is to your winter quarters - the easier your life will be. Meaning - I think they're largely territorial - they may make a three or four day loop hunting - hitting some areas only once every three to four days - however large that territory would be - it would depend on terrain. Their Summer hunting areas will probably be just a bit different than their Winter quarters - maybe they'll hunt in the next valley over - even at higher elevations - and leave the game alone in the next valley over where they have Winter quarters. Normally, I'd never postulate one way or the other on whether these things are some kind of apes or something else - but I know they're not apes. No guessing, I know. Which would be why they're so adept at avoiding those whom they wish to avoid. They're smart. They have tactical excellence. They're finely attuned to their environment. They also have the ability to hide in plain sight. And have the patience of Job. They don't panic. The ape-believing crowd will go ape-**** at that concept - but none of them ever got a really close-up look at their faces. And it's not just me. Native Americans often refer to them as forest people, or forest men, or wild men - and through the ages in multiple cultures - they're often called variations of a wild man. The popular belief in these things being apes - is pushed by scientists - who by their own fabricated "science" and faulty history of man - they cannot allow for any type of cave man to still exist. They dug their hole, deep, and now they're stuck in it. I'd further suggest that if a person sees one, or if that one is making a racket - you're already flanked by others you don't see and aren't aware of - and you should really keep checking your six o'clock position. And while they may be spotted singly most often - I am firmly convinced that they live in family groups, or clans - and they can and do work with others from neighboring families or clans. Which also assists in maintaining a healthy breeding population - which must be really significant. We humans 'own' the day - they've apparently adapted and certainly 'own' the night.
  33. 5 points
    Welllll ... as of September 9th, still existed. How 'bout "know"? It's a good, and fitting, word. MIB
  34. 5 points
    I don't recall where I got this .. well, I do, it was a member of a group I used to camp with, but I don't recall where he got it. MIB
  35. 5 points
    Great questions James. I've been a wildlife biologist for 30 years. The one thing that can be stated with a very high degree of confidence is that nature takes perverse pleasure in making fools of human understanding. With that in mind, every species archetype requires a specific number of individuals for a healthy population. The more complex the organism, the greater number of individuals are needed to avoid species collapse at the genetic level. The smaller the gene pool, the harder long-term survival becomes. There are a large number of factors that have to be considered when calculating the minimum viable population for a species. In humans, the MVP can be as low as 15 individuals or as high as 4000 individuals depending on the variables used, conditions considered and potential morbidity and fecundity rates. We simply don't have enough information regarding bigfoot to make any realistic guesses as to whether the species is growing, stable or in collapse. What they eat will depend on what they are and that hasn't been answered yet. There is a lot of anecdotal information that indicates it's a largish mammal. Popular conjecture is that it is a primate. A strict vegetarian mammal requires a long gut to break down the plant materials consumed. In primates, this normally results in a pot belly physique. Lowland Gorillas are a good example. As protein intake increases, the body shape changes and gets slimmer in the middle. Most reports indicate bigfoot has a high protein diet based on general body description. Another indication of a high protein diet is intelligence. Bigfoot is reported to be very intelligent. If true, then protein is likely present in their diet. There are a number of primate studies that conclude that primates with diets containing 20-50% protein exhibit higher intelligence than strict vegetarian primates. Lowland Gorillas vs. Chimpanzees. You also have to consider brain size. Elephants are fairly intelligent for being herbivores, but their brains are 11-13 pounds compared to humans that have 3 pound brains. However, these musings are all guesses based on what "should" happen. It's inductive reasoning and suffers a few ad ignorantiam fallacies, but fun to consider. That brings us to how much a bigfoot eats. That depends on diet, metabolism, activity, and standard environmental conditions. That requires subjects for study and they seem to be difficult to locate reliably. Until someone figures out how to observe bigfoot for days at a time without them knowing, speculation will be the only information you will find. The same goes for where they sleep. It might be in caves, ground nests, up in trees, in abandoned mines, abandoned structures, or gullies. There is no consensus on this subject, but bigfoot seems to be as opportunistic about its sleeping arrangements. It if is as intelligent as the pundits believe, then it will take whatever the most advantageous accommodations are at the time.
  36. 5 points
    Folks, I don't know about you but this SSR effort is just hands-down a monumental achievement. The concept and subsequent execution of such a task has not been only about classifying the source data- it has also been about working out the bugs in the program and system along the way to which GIGANTOR (and the name SHOULD BE in all caps ) can take the credit as he patiently took in all of the notifications of glitches in the SSR and worked through them in order to have the data perform as desired. BobbyO, who worked diligently in every spare moment he could muster, and RedBone who has been nothing short of a juggernaut who has been unstoppable on getting report after report pigeon holed into the dataset. We owe these people a immense tip of the hat and I personally thank them for what they have done though my thanks falls way short of what they deserve, Thank you guys for staying with your goals when I fell behind, and for doing it all so incredibly well.
  37. 5 points
    I went backpacking into the Siskiyou Wilderness (in northern CA) the first week of July. Spent 3 nights in the mid-section of the wilderness; backpacked from end of northern portion of the GO-road (Boundary Trailhead) down to Elk Valley. This trail is north of the Blue Creek drainage. Elk Valley is where we camped and is the beginning of Blue Creek. After exiting, we drove to the northern end of the Siskiyou Wilderness and spent another 3 nights. One night at Sanger Lake and then we backpacked into Youngs Valley. Youngs Valley is where Clear Creek starts and drains south. We saw plenty of deer on the meadows. We did not see or hear any bear or bigfoot. The wild berries were not out yet. We did find what appeared to be 2 footprints on the Boundary Trail on the way back. They looked like old footprints that were imprinted when the terrain was wet and muddy. One print is human size but could be a double print from a bear or just random formation. The other print is small (like from a toddler) and gives the appearance of showing the toes pushing the mud out. They were not very good and I am not claiming they are from BF but I took pictures anyway in order to document. I doubt that children will walk barefoot where we were. The map below shows where the footprints were found relative to TH entrance and other key places in Siskiyous (like PGF site and Louse camp). First photo is a view of Youngs Valley. Second photo is a view of Blue Creek drainage on the backpack along the ridgeline. Third photo is of what appears to be a small footprint Fourth photo is of what appears to be a footprint
  38. 4 points
    Summer is here and so is the heat, still hiking 3+ days a week though. There's an area that I pass through often, and is where 5 different trails converge by a creek, so I decided to throw out some corn in about a 10' circle. I knew the Hairyman was using some of these trails, and would be a good spot , thinking it would attract some type of prey species they could ambush. Well, the Hairymen found it first and ate every single kernel, I mean gone in one night! Tramped up the area pretty good, and left 2 sizes of prints......check 'em out, some are better than others, plus there's some track over track going on, first pic shows the disturbed area with Lulu jumping out of the creek. Also, nearby at the Gift Tree......more apples missing, I put several in the latched box hanging about 6' up in a tree, with a few more stuck on Deer antlers that I weaved that through cord....there one day, gone the next.
  39. 4 points
    haha ! Pretty cool !
  40. 4 points
    I was a believer in what I consider a dangerous myth. The myth being if you just go out and hang around long enough, BF will trust you and eventually reveal itself. The myth continues that eventually you could be hand shaking buddies. One conference speaker claims just that. My experience was completely opposite of that. I think I disrupted their daily life so much that I may have put myself in danger of being simply eliminated as a problem. I might have messed up deer hunts, kept them from water, or any manner of things I was oblivious to doing that bothered them. Things got more unfriendly with each interaction and the last event was being hit with infra-sound. I guess fortunately for me, clear cutting eliminated cover in that area about that time, and they moved off. We should always consider the fact that when we introduce ourself into their world, it might not be good for them. To think otherwise is the height of human arrogance.
  41. 4 points
    Over the past 15 years the Alaska Deot of Fish and Game, with the assistance of the Air Force and Army who own all of the land immediately north of the city of Anchorage and well up into the Chugach Mountains to the east, have been studying the bears that inhabit the city, bases, and surrounding area. After fitting a few dozen bears, including a thousand pound monster, one of their biggest surprises was that the bears descend into the congested parts of the city, even the downtown area, and essentially live in the greenbelts when the salmon arrive. And they do so, for the most part, without even being seen by the people. How do they do it? They fish the creeks at night, then go into the bushes and sleep all day long while people walk, ride bikes, skate, and travel the bike trails a few yards away. Then when the salmon runs subside, the bears head back up into the mountains to feast on the berries before winter. There are an estimated 300+ black bears and 60+ brown/grizzly bears within the municipality borders at any one time. The original Urban Bear study began in 2005. There have been at least three more since. Here's a link to one of the more recent studies of 9 bears. http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm%3Fadfg%3Dlivingwithbears.anchorageurbanbearsstorymap
  42. 4 points
    There seems to be a cottage industry of Blog or story tellers that take sighting reports and others experiences and then in most cases embellish them to make them more interesting. I had the opportunity to investigate one such report which was in for form of a internet radio blog report since I live in the area. If the area was BF active I certainly was interested in the site. It apparently never occurs to some story tellers that someone may be able to investigate, put boots on the ground in the area, and evaluate the report based on the facts presented. From the description I was able to go to the exact location of the encounter. It was encouraging at first when the road and side road mentioned matched the story, but soon the story began to fall apart. The terrain sloped the opposite direction than was described.. The location was confused in the mind of the story teller and if some parts were believed, then the road mentioned was 8 miles from the geographical mountain that was also mentioned. Of course when the encounter was in the early hours of the morning, the witnesses had to explain how they got such a good view of the several menacing BF in the dark. A nearly full moon was mentioned. Not only was the moon not near full on the stated date but it had set several hours before the stated encounter time. Oops! Those who defended the story tellers suggested that city lights from the distant greater Vancouver Washington are might have lighted up the area. However the location was in a deep river canyon making it unlikely that sky glow from the distant city would make much difference. Making up a story is full of traps in this day of internet access to astronomical and weather data. While I have no direct evidence, it was almost like they drove around, found the location, and created a story to fit it. What two men were doing parked out on a side road in the middle off the night off a forest service road is also strange to say the least, and was not addressed in the encounter report. There is probably more of a story to that than what happened. I guess that what I am saying is that if you hear a slick radio voice sounding like they are reading a script you might be suspicious.
  43. 4 points
    I don't think they go anywhere. By now, the deer and elk (aka "bigfoot cheeseburgers" :)) are already in the lowest elevations. The bigfoots will be nearby. They survive winter in the foothills of the Rockies, in the Bitterroots, Alaska / Canada, east slope of the Cascades and just follow the deer and elk herds. There's simply nothing western Oregon has to offer that's comparably challenging. To be what they are, they're biologically adapted to ice age conditions, and they survived that. This, while miserable to us, is likely akin to a day at the beach for them. It is a good time to think about opposites, about adaptations to avoid competition. Like Darwin's finches. We're adapted to shed heat, to be able to run incredibly long distances on open plains in summer sun without overheating. We're in the top 5 species on earth for such adaptation. So what's our opposite? Something that walks on mountains, in the cold, in the dark, without freezing. So it's also a good time to consider the trap of anthropomorphising ... while there are similarities, they're not us, and if we don't keep that in mind, we make mistakes in our expectations. ... or so I think. Best-est guesses. MIB
  44. 4 points
    This springs to mind. Squatchermetrics Published by Squatchermetrics Like This Page · 20 February 2018 · #Sasquatch - Let's talk Arizona. 85 Total Reports, with 11/15 Counties responsible for those Reports. What month is most common for Total AZ Reports ? August What AZ County has the most days of precipitation in August ? Coconino (5) What AZ County receives the most annual precipitation ? Coconino (The Northern portion of the Kaibab National Forest receives more than 20 Inches annually, on par with San Francisco) What AZ County makes up 80% of all Summer Reports (20/25) from the turn of the century ? Coconino What AZ County makes up 100% of Non Visual Reports from August in the last 12 years ? Coconino What AZ County makes up 100% of Actual Visual Reports from August in the last 12 Years ? Coconino Where do you think we should go on vacation this Summer ?
  45. 4 points
    We know for a fact that Lyle Laverty was directly involved in the Patterson-Gimlin film event as a witness to trace evidence at the site, was among the first people in the scene after the filming event, took photos of the footprints himself, was a government official at the time, and eventually rose through the ranks of government to a near cabinet level position: http://jkagroup.com/about/lyle-laverty-bio.htm# There are also indications that Laverty had his own sighting near Hyampom, and found a nest near the PG film site at Scorpion Creek/Lonesome Ridge.
  46. 4 points
    For anyone who is interested I have now posted two articals that were made in response to this insanity back in 2009 and again in 2011. On my blog site (www.ThomasSteenburg.com) Look for the posts titled "Here We Go Again" as well as "Here We Go Again part two" . Thomas Steenburg
  47. 4 points
    Unless I'm missing something, it could never be positive for sasquatch. There is no baseline to match it against. It could only come out as an undocumented primate.
  48. 4 points
    Wow! Didn’t know where to post this, but what an amazing piece of artwork. Hope y’all enjoy watching it being built.. 9-Foot Metal Sasquatch Sculpture Cheers!
  49. 4 points
    Hello Folks, I finally decided to publish my first book that is a first person collection of my early field experiences that had a profound effect on my way of thinking about who and what these elusive subjects of the forest are. I'm not offering proof of their existence, just sharing some of my material with interested folks. I have been blessed with many close encounters and I feel it is the result of my respectful attitude towards them and the fact that I do not intend any harm upon them. The book's title is how I personally feel about them. The preview link to it is listed below: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1719996768?ref_=pe_870760_150889320
  50. 4 points
    Personally, I am very convinced that Bigfoot Exists, especially after the experience gigantor and myself had a few years ago. No other explanation. But, seeing one would be the difference between believing and knowing.
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