Guest thermalman Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) Isn't that why you're here? To find out more about BF from those with more knowledge and expertise? Edited October 15, 2012 by thermalman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RayG Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 As I said a couple posts ago... no, I came here because I've been a bigfoot enthusiast for as long as some footers have been alive, and this seemed to be the best bigfoot forum. I can't honestly think of a single piece of actual bigfoot 'knowledge' I've learned since I became a member here nearly 10 years ago though. How many teeth does an adult bigfoot have anyway? Can you give me one bit of definitive bigfoot knowledge you've gained from a bigfoot expert? RayG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indiefoot Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) How much of the "knowledge" that science now stands upon will be true one hundred years from now? Scientific truth is always changing, always evolving. If there are experts in anything, they are temporary in the grand scheme of the universe. If there is a rule that says it is wrong to conclude someting exists before science recognizes it, please show me the rule. I just want to talk to others about what I've seen and what they have seen. Edited October 15, 2012 by indiefoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thermalman Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) ^I know a lot more now, than I did before I came here. But then again, I came with an open mind. I don't know how someone could proclaim themselves a "bigfoot enthusiast", only to hang around for 10 years voicing skeptically and gain nothing else. But, then again, it seems word definition is not your strong point. Edited October 15, 2012 by thermalman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiobill Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) Someone who has done examen with the witnesses' statements, looked at multiple pics and vids, looked at physical evidence etc., has more expertise than you or I on the subject of BF. Further to, even though they have HB now, there are multiple questions they still do not have answers to, regarding HB. Yet, those people would be the ones I would pose any questions to, about HB, as they are the ones with the most expertise at this point. You believe that witnesses are "experts"? The same witnesses who many proponents believe are mistaken or lying in up to 95% of the sightings? Everyone on this forum looks at the witness statements, pics/vids, evidence, etc. - are we ALL experts? It seems obvious that the same physicists who proposed HB, designed an experiment to detect HB, and are working to fully understand HB would be the ones to consult about HB. Where are the counterparts in the hunt for bigfoot? Where are the experiments? Where is the body? There are NO bigfoot experts. 1/2 the researchers say bigfoot is ape, 1/2 say human. 1/2 say nocturnal, 1/2 say diurnal. 1/2 say bigfoot detects EMF and avoids trailcams, 1/2 say bigfoot is likely to be found in suburbs, houses, outside casinos, etc where EMF is much stronger. At least half the researchers are wrong on these and all the other split contentions which means that at least 1/2 are lying, misguided, or full of BS. Does that sound like an "expert" to you? Edited October 15, 2012 by ohiobill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 That sounds more like guessing to me. Anyone's guess is as good as mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Lot's of Bigfoot "authorities" but no experts. There is a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thermalman Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) You believe that witnesses are "experts"? The same witnesses who many proponents believe are mistaken or lying in up to 95% of the sightings? Everyone on this forum looks at the witness statements, pics/vids, evidence, etc. - are we ALL experts? It seems obvious that the same physicists who proposed HB, designed an experiment to detect HB, and are working to fully understand HB would be the ones to consult about HB. Where are the counterparts in the hunt for bigfoot? Where are the experiments? Where is the body? There are NO bigfoot experts. 1/2 the researchers say bigfoot is ape, 1/2 say human. 1/2 say nocturnal, 1/2 say diurnal. 1/2 say bigfoot detects EMF and avoids trailcams, 1/2 say bigfoot is likely to be found in suburbs, houses, outside casinos, etc where EMF is much stronger. At least half the researchers are wrong on these and all the other split contentions which means that at least 1/2 are lying, misguided, or full of BS. Does that sound like an "expert" to you? Incorrect assessment. Try again. Edited October 15, 2012 by thermalman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiobill Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 What part is incorrect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thermalman Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 EXPERT a. 1. Taught by use, practice, or experience, experienced; having facility of operation or performance from practice; knowing and ready from much practice; clever; skillful; as, an expert surgeon; expert in chess or archery. A valiant and most expert gentleman. - Shak. What practice, howsoe'er expert In fitting aptest words to things . . . Hath power to give thee as thou wert? - Tennyson. n. 1. An expert or experienced person; one instructed by experience; one who has skill, experience, or extensive knowledge in his calling or in any special branch of learning. 2. (Law) A specialist in a particular profession or department of science requiring for its mastery peculiar culture and erudition. 3. A sworn appraiser. v. t. 1. To experience. Die would we daily, once it to expert. - Spencer. N. expert - a person with special knowledge or ability who performs skillfully Adj. expert - having or showing knowledge and skill and aptitude; "adept in handicrafts"; "an adept juggler"; "an expert job"; "a good mechanic"; "a practiced marksman"; "a proficient engineer"; "a lesser-known but no less skillful composer"; "the effect was achieved by skillful retouching" expert - of or relating to or requiring special knowledge to be understood; "technical terminology"; "a technical report"; "technical language" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 It's simple, just because someone is proficient in their field of study doesn't make them a expert on bigfoot.All they can do is use their skills to assess the evidence put in front of them and give an opinion. None of these so called experts have had the opportunity to study a specimen first hand. It's all conjecture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest baboonpete Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Lot's of Bigfoot "authorities" but no experts. There is a difference. the word authority suggests there is a chain of command is bigfooting which is just plain silly. you have people claiming they've been out a ridiculous number of times, I remember seeing 3000 claimed by someone on facebook, which is comical both due to the number itself as well as the observation that if you've been out that many times and have little to show for it, you're clearly not an authority in what you're doing. There are no experts There are authorities, just people who market themselves more aggressively and those who venerate them. And that past is much of whats wrong with the efforts of many currently. ^ You're forgetting about the actual witnesses Ray. Someone who has done examen with the witnesses' statements, looked at multiple pics and vids, looked at physical evidence etc., has more expertise than you or I on the subject of BF. Further to, even though they have HB now, there are multiple questions they still do not have answers to, regarding HB. Yet, those people would be the ones I would pose any questions to, about HB, as they are the ones with the most expertise at this point. witnesses are not experts and you know it, silly concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Why does it seem to be an issue on this forum that skeptics participate? Why question their motives for even being here? Unless they personally insult another member (and there are rules for that), they add us much to the conversation as any of us do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest baboonpete Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Why does it seem to be an issue on this forum that skeptics participate? Why question their motives for even being here? Unless they personally insult another member (and there are rules for that), they add us much to the conversation as any of us do. that inconvenient part that many don't want discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thermalman Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 (edited) the word authority suggests there is a chain of command is bigfooting which is just plain silly. you have people claiming they've been out a ridiculous number of times, I remember seeing 3000 claimed by someone on facebook, which is comical both due to the number itself as well as the observation that if you've been out that many times and have little to show for it, you're clearly not an authority in what you're doing. There are no experts There are authorities, just people who market themselves more aggressively and those who venerate them. And that past is much of whats wrong with the efforts of many currently. witnesses are not experts and you know it, silly concept. I never said witnesses were experts. It is a silly concept. So is outright denying the actual definition of expert and conforming to one's own definition. To be an expert, we do not need a BF body. Just a massive knowledge of information derived about a subject. Take HB for example, many skeptics were available for that, until its discovery, now they're as invisible as you are behind your computer screen! Now THAT was a silly concept! No apologizes, no admission of wrong, no more nattering, grunting or chirping that HB does not exist. In order for HB to be discovered, there HAD to be experts on the subject working towards its discovery, otherwise it would not have been pursued and discovered.. Simple concept of experts! That's why people are here, to derive info from those who know more about BF than we do......EXPERTS. You would now be more knowledgeable to other, lesser knowledgeable people, who will now consider you an expert on BF, based on the limited amount of what you know, but much more than them. Edited October 15, 2012 by thermalman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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