Guest Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 I remember reading (somewhere) that cave dwelling came along about the same time as the use of fire and tools for neanderthals. So if your squatch lives in caves then he might use tools and fire. Which is all speculation at best. So if a bear sleeps in a cave it might be able to use tools and fire? Give me a break! If they lived full time in caves we would have proof of them by now. At best like 99% of animals, they take advantage of being able to stay out of the rain and weather when they can. So unless they have some invisible house they live in, they most likely are somewhat migratory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyInIndiana Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 ^Caught or trapped by what? Caught by "anything" they're trying so hard to avoid, like humans. In other words, IF they were to dwell in caves, they would be boxed in with no where to go. The one thing they are clearly adept at DOING, is avoiding humans. They aren't dumb enough to make that mistake by going into something there is no way out of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelly Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 What I mean is that on all of the Monsterquest etc type shows where they go into caves there is pretty much not a sign of much living there at all. Not that people don't find fossils in spring caves etc. Russian bigfoots are purported to live in caves but then the Russians seem to believe their creatures are some sort of Neanderthal type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest poignant Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 By Ostman's account, rocky outcrops with overhangs at higher elevations seem more likely. Sulfur smell could be due to deep cave dwelling, but the H2S or oxygen shortage will kill. Speculation: the strong smell is due to musk/musth or a result of a cursorial creature. Sweaty (which is distinctly human and equine). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bipedalist Posted August 10, 2012 BFF Patron Share Posted August 10, 2012 Caught by "anything" they're trying so hard to avoid, like humans. In other words, IF they were to dwell in caves, they would be boxed in with no where to go. The one thing they are clearly adept at DOING, is avoiding humans. They aren't dumb enough to make that mistake by going into something there is no way out of. I agree, they will be long gone before they inhabit an accessible cave without multiple exits for any significant period of time, and they will have an early warning system inferior to none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 (edited) Which is all speculation at best. So if a bear sleeps in a cave it might be able to use tools and fire? Give me a break! ........ Sleeping in a cave from time to time and living in a cave as mentioned in the header of this topic are too different things. People commonly believe that bigfoot lives caves. I was just pointing out something I had read and found interesting regard another bi-pedal primate's evolution. If it is true regarding man,cave, tools and fire then wouldn't it be reasonable to look for some of the same traits in a bigfoot that "lives" in a cave? For the record I don't think bigfoot lives in caves or uses fire. Edited August 10, 2012 by Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tontar Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Blue whales are not all that seldomly seen. They are extremely rare due to all the hunting of them, but they've been visible for hundreds of years. Still are, in fact. The PNW has lava tubes here and there around the volcanic mountains, but it would be a mistake to think that the PNW is a cave ridden paradise for cave dwellers. And considering the widespread distribution based on sightings, the whole country would have to be built like Swiss cheese! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indiefoot Posted August 10, 2012 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Thousands of Viet Cong and NVA avoided detection by using hand dug underground systems. I would be more inclined to think of a hand dug shelter in an inaccesable place to winter in. They can travel a fairly long distance to move from seasonal ground to seasonal ground. What I have not heard of is the kind of food gathering that would be necessary to get through a winter without everyone leaving tracks all over the place. If you had access to an underground moving water source your waste would be taken care of. They have had a lot of time to look for hidey holes and to redecorate them to suite their needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Twilight Fan Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Caught by "anything" they're trying so hard to avoid, like humans. In other words, IF they were to dwell in caves, they would be boxed in with no where to go. The one thing they are clearly adept at DOING, is avoiding humans. They aren't dumb enough to make that mistake by going into something there is no way out of. That's kind of a silly thing to say, IMO. Sasquatch hiding in caves would be IDEAL for avoiding humans. Why? Well first, most humans assume they live in the forest, and search for them there. Second, humans almost NEVER venture into caves unless they are researching something or taking well-lit and guided tours in famous caves. Other than that.....humans don't go into caves. And even if they DID, they couldn't see a darn thing because caves are dark as black holes the deeper you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-n-bit Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Skip and I are totally with GII on this one, and not you, TF... Humans DO go into caves! I (bit) personsonally do so to get myself past my claustrophobia (aka fear of tight spaces) and I absolutely love it!!! I have been in caves with openings big enough to drive a semi through and those with openings small enough that you have to climb/crawl in feet first to get in to. I personally don't see a squatch using either of those with any safety having been through as much of them as I have been through as there was no get-away about either one of those caves systems. They were in middle TN. We are now in Arkansas, and living on another cave system. I don't see Sas's using these to live in, either. Not a full-time researcher, but a hobbyist, and it's one thing to sit and speculate from the safety of the computer and a whole different world to actually get out there... Bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Twilight Fan Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 How far do you go into them, skippy? My guess is to say you are in the minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronD Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Logically speaking, a 9' x 800lb squatch isn't going to be found in a hole that we can barely snug through, so that only leaves the larger ones, and most of which we haven't toured entirely. I'm going to guess that they may use the caves at their convenience, but perhaps not the way we might assume since squatches seem to jive with the elements of weather, temperature, day/night, and so on....better than we could hope to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Yes they do live in caves. I remember reading an eyewitness account in a book about 2 men , i believe it was in South America, who wandered into a cave and were driven out by several loud screams when they entered a large dark room in the cave. I believe rocks were also thrown at them. They managed to escape the cave. One of the men was so scared that his hair turned white and started to fall out. This account was from a Sasquatch paperback book in or around 1980. I forget the name of the book though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronD Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 I remember readin a book in the 70's called "A darkness of giants" was all about some boys travelling with mules through the pacific NW, interesting.....and if I recall right the binding of the book said "non-fiction" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thermalman Posted August 11, 2012 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Bears and other predators live in caves, so it would seem logical that BF would as well. Protection from the elements would come instinctively. Although, I don't believe they could build fires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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