Do They Live In Caves?

[Guest]

They probably use caves like we use hotels or motels, just to stay the night or for a short time.

[GuyInIndiana]

^ If you can find anything more on that story I'd be interested in hearing it all!

Don't squatches have "eye shine"? And doesn't this indicate night vision? So, maybe being in a dark cave isn't so debilitating for them(??)

No. The presence of "eye shine" is not proof of *night vision*. Even human eyes can and do reflect *eye shine* and we clearly do NOT have night vision in the context everyone wants to associate with a sasquatch...

[bipedalist]

Is Matt Monneymaker a member here?

I thought I saw a couple single word posts from somebody looking suspiciously like he.

One BFRO sighting in Arizona found a type of nest structure in a high-walled cave:

Mogollon Rim: http://www.bfro.net/news/arizona_cave.asp

Edited August 12, 2012 by bipedalist

[bipedalist]

Well, if you excavate and build something underground is it a cave?

Are we talking does Sasquatch live underground or live in a cave (a geological feature when originally formed)?

Heck the excavation of the Vancouver Island squatch could be a cave under that definition too.

[Guest]

I was just about to suggest what Aaron D beat me to suggesting. Perhaps Bigfoots have night vision of some sort, and can see in the dark? If so, they could travel deep into any cave they pleased (given it was big enough) without vision problems.

But night vision needs some kinda ambient light to amplify (or in animals the eye to collect). I don't think animals can see in total darkness with out some kind of light source, unless they produce their own illumination. Edited August 12, 2012 by squating squatch

[Guest MikeG]

Correct, SS. Which is why cave-dwelling species often evolve to lose their eyes.

However, bats (and other animals using sonar), apparently "see" an image as a result of interpreting the returning echoes. I've never heard anyone claim sasquatches use echo-location.............

Mike

[Guest]

JudasBeast, you're a genius. That actually makes perfect sense.

[AaronD]

^^^ SS what you're saying makes sense to me, even the keenest of night vision needs "some" light to function. And if zero sunlight finds its way to the back of the cave then a seperate source of light would be neccessary. Evidence of this was when I once looked into buying night vision binocs (before FLIR was available). I found a good set, comparably priced, which could use the amount of light a cell phone screen gives off to illuminate an entire football field, which IMO is very good, but even those couldn't produce an image 5 ' away once the light source was off......

[Guest BFSleuth]

Eyewitness reports often claim that these creatures carry an odor that's equivalent to sulphur. Stalactites and stalagmites,mildew,bacteria and algae would undoubtedly contribute to the creatures unpleasant smell. Seldom do I read about researchers who make cave explortation part of their investigtion. Why is that? I wonder if some of the caving forums actually bring this subject up?

Lava tubes or other volcanic caves would smell like sulphur. I had a room mate that climbed Mt. Rainier and got stuck in a lenticular storm and took refuge in the ice caves formed by the vents around the crater rim. All his clothes and his entire kit smelled like rotten eggs, it took quite a while to get the smell out of his car, with several boxes of baking soda sprinkled on the upholstery and vacuumed out...

I thought I saw a couple single word posts from somebody looking suspiciously like he.

One BFRO sighting in Arizona found a type of nest structure in a high-walled cave:

Mogollon Rim: http://www.bfro.net/...rizona_cave.asp

Very interesting trip report: a cave modified without benefit of metal tools, rocks moved, dirt moved in to smooth the floor, stalactites knocked off from ages ago by rock on rock, and a comfortable 1 foot thick bed of grass making a bed that is 3 or 4 times the size of a king size bed. With a cave situated with a commanding view of 3 canyons.

Well, if you excavate and build something underground is it a cave?

Are we talking does Sasquatch live underground or live in a cave (a geological feature when originally formed)?

Heck the excavation of the Vancouver Island squatch could be a cave under that definition too.

That is one of my favorite sighting reports. It may not be a cave per se, but certainly they are building a very well fortified "underground" nest, albeit under a pile of huge logs. Other mammals (and man) create underground homes or nests, it affords a consistent temperature (which would be a huge benefit in hotter climates) and protection from predators.

That sighting report, with BF leaping down a cliff, the booming tree knocks or?... etc. Very spooky.

[southernyahoo]

Correct, SS. Which is why cave-dwelling species often evolve to lose their eyes.

However, bats (and other animals using sonar), apparently "see" an image as a result of interpreting the returning echoes. I've never heard anyone claim sasquatches use echo-location.............

Mike

Well if they claimed it, would you believe it? You might check this link out about human echolocation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_echolocation

Then if you go listen to some of those MRP recordings, you can hear a subject hissing as it walks around, as if using a method to search for or locate something.

http://www.mivocals.moonfruit.com/#/recordings-portal/4532791466

[bipedalist]

....Kish had his eyes removed at the age of 13 months due to retinal cancer. He learned to make palatal clicks with his tongue when he was still a child -- and now trains other blind people in the use of echolocation and in what he calls "Perceptual Mobility".^[11][12][13]Though at first resistant to using a cane for mobility, seeing it as a "handicapped" device, and considering himself "not handicapped at all", Daniel Kish developed a technique using his white cane combined with echolocation to further expand his mobility.^{[13][14][14][12]}

Clicks, how novel, now we've never recorded putative BF clicks now have we!

[Guest]

Well if they claimed it, would you believe it? You might check this link out about human echolocation.

http://en.wikipedia....an_echolocation

Then if you go listen to some of those MRP recordings, you can hear a subject hissing as it walks around, as if using a method to search for or locate something.

http://www.mivocals....rtal/4532791466

I knew this was coming as soon as I saw Mike mention it.

[Guest Mandango]

Eyewitness reports often claim that these creatures carry an odor that's equivalent to sulphur. Stalactites and stalagmites,mildew,bacteria and algae would undoubtedly contribute to the creatures unpleasant smell. Seldom do I read about researchers who make cave explortation part of their investigtion. Why is that? I wonder if some of the caving forums actually bring this subject up?

Here's a map I found of regions in the United States that have bituminous coal. Bituminous coal is high in sulfur content. Maybe there is a correlation between sulfur smelling bigfoots and coal mines?

Edited August 13, 2012 by Mandango

[Guest Kronprinz Adam]

Hi everyone!!

I have heard similar theories on this "Ancient Aliens" Bigfoot chapter (I just listened all that interested me about Bigfoot, but I do not endorse these alien theories and I dont think we should discuss flying saucers here...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv9V4bjxZGk

Nevertheless, the video makes a retelling of some sightings and common knowledge about Bigfoot and Yeti and so on....my point is, at some point of the theory, they discuss that Bigfoot could make use of some extensive cave systems in North America, going unnoticed...

Sincerely, we don't know!! But I personally think that Bigfoot may use some caves and abandoned structures (some others have also mentioned sewers) to sleep during the day. Maybe it is possible to travel some distance on these tunnels...but I do not think about them as underground creatures. I think they simply find some "cozy place" (according to Bigfoot's living standards) to stay, sleep, rest undisturbed, and then they do long walks during the night to find food, animals, fruits, maize, rodents....(remember they have a larger stride than us)...then they take again a trail back home and that's all...

Greetings.

K. Adam.

Well, if you excavate and build something underground is it a cave?

Heck the excavation of the Vancouver Island squatch could be a cave under that definition too.

If I had the resources, I will get some advanced (and silent) quadrocopters with night vision, a robotic blimp or drone prototype and try to explore this Vancouver den at night from the air...trying get to get unnoticed and not disturbing the creatures...

Bears do not build dens...maybe they dig a little, but I do not think they should be able to build a den, dissasemble it and build it again in another location.

[Guest JudasBeast]

No. To do such, would be a risky thing. It would be like living in a cage. The chances of being caught or trapped would be simply too great, and they aren't going to risk that.

All I can say is "WOW". Isn't there some type of forum rule that frowns upon members who hold back inside information? If theres something you know, such as what the creatures likes and dislikes are,please do tell. But seriously, how can you possibly know this? The answer is 'you can't'. Please don't come off like these are all well established facts when they certainly are not. They are just your opinions and with probably nothing to back them up. Stick to what we know, which unfortunately isn't very much. IMHO,I think we have more then enough reason to call it a day and start looking elsewhere. At some point we are going to have to face it folks....they're not coming to the dance.

40 years or more of researchers whacking sticks against trees and we haven't gotten one inch closer to these things. At what point do we admit defeat and throw away the play book? Many would beg to differ and say research is thriving but I feel differently. This creature should have been put on a slab 30 years ago.Something is very wrong here people.We are doing something wrong.

In regards to the comment "they aren't going to risk that"!

{shaking head in disbelief}..."RISK WHAT?" Are you claiming that they understand the concept of being captured or caught? Trapped and hunted? If they are advanced enough to understand how our world works then maybe we need to shut off the baby crying loop and step up the game.If your claiming that these creatures understand 'mankinds bad intent' then maybe we need to start giving them more credit and come in at a different angle. For instance...Maybe the reason they arent seen that frquently is because they are held up in places that are for the most part inaccessible.HINT... A cave,an abandoned mineshaft,condemned homes and commercial property.

If I came off strong then I do apologize,but man people really need to think before they speak. When you use the words "cant" or "wont" in regards to someones idea {especially if its new or different} you better have very good reason for doing so. A gut feeling or a hunch don't cut it.

http://www.conservation.ca.gov/omr/abandoned_mine_lands/Pages/Index.aspx

It looks interesting..this was on their homepage.I wasnt expecting these kind of numbers.

This is going to take a while to go through but I will report back with what I found.

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Approximately 165,000 mine features* on more than 47,000 abandoned mine sites exist statewide.

• More than 39,400 abandoned mines (84 percent of 47,000 sites) present physical safety hazards, and approximately 5,200 (11 percent) present environmental hazards.
  
• More than 62,000 abandoned mine features (38 percent of 165,000 features) are hazardous openings.
  
• Federal lands contain approximately 67 percent of the abandoned mines in the State (primarily on Bureau of Land Management, National Park Service, and U.S. Forest Service property). Approximately 31 percent are on private lands, and about 2 percent are on State or local lands.
  

Edited August 13, 2012 by JudasBeast