Guest Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 The grey individual is in the neighborhood of 8 feet tall. It's very wide and stout. Built a lot like the PGF subject. Based on what our people have seen, we estimate it would easily tip the scales at 700-800 lbs. This is based on the direct observation of people well familiar with livestock and other game animals. Perhaps a 1,000 lbs was a bit of stretch, but not much of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salubrious Posted September 13, 2012 Moderator Share Posted September 13, 2012 Have you put thought into what Area X would be like if you are successful with bagging one? Just guess on my part, but I suspect it may become uninhabitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunflower Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Many times you refer to them as apes. However, I've only seen apes in black or albino and someone please correct me if I'm mistaken. How does one explain reports of all different colors and even a calico type or mottled in other cases. My brother saw one that he said looked like a tan color. The one that jumped over his car was more dark brown or black. Does anyone have an answer? And what about the human type faces? Have you guys noticed any differences? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 Orangoutangs have quite a wide variety of coat colors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FootDude Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 (edited) You're talking about this: http://bigfootproject.org/TBRC/TBRC_OE_voc.mp3 xVery interesting snippet here Bipto. Some grunts and then 'Get Back'. Silence then near the end of the clip at least one more (very agitated) grunt and then loudly 'Back Away!'. 1. What were your investigators doing at the time they recorded those words spoken by what you assume to be a Bigfoot? What was the chronology of events leading up to this? 2. Was there anything recorded shortly before where your investigators used either of those 2 short sentences? Edited September 13, 2012 by FootDude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 1. What were your investigators doing at the time they recorded those words spoken by what you assume to be a Bigfoot? What was the chronology of events leading up to this? Our investigators had taken up a high position near a cabin. They could were talking to each other and listening and watching for activity. They could hear occasional noises, but never saw an animal. They may have heard the long, drawn out sound at the beginning of the clip, but they didn't hear the chatter. 2. Was there anything recorded shortly before where your investigators used either of those 2 short sentences? There is much recorded of our investigators talking, but nobody said anything about getting away. We wanted them to come closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southernyahoo Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 The sound was recorded on the last morning of the Labor Day weekend and had happened each of the three days the team was present. It was the first time we had experienced the behavior. This was not part of Persistence, it was an ad-hoc operation. WRT Ape Canyon, many of us have remarked about the similarities between our experiences and those claimed by Fred Beck. However, the debris rain didn't happen in conjunction with a shooting incident. I don't think one can make a causal connection. You know, if most of that debris were handled by squatches, it was raining DNA on you guys as well. Were any of the debris items collected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunflower Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 bipto, Thanks, forgot about the tangs........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 13, 2012 Share Posted September 13, 2012 (edited) I’ve read some very thoughtful questions and responses in this thread. I think Biptos response regarding live capture well illustrates a noble intent, and a sincere concern for the well being of these animals. I would venture to say that the same sentiments and altruistic motives are shared by the majority of people who have been collectively labeled as the "pro-kill camp". It isn't that I "want" to kill or harm one. It isn't that I don't feel compassion, and empathy for the animal. The thought of having to kill one of them is quite disturbing to me. If the situation presented itself, I'm not 100% sure if I could personally go through with it. What if they are far rarer than some believe? What if they are responsible for protecting and providing for others? I have debated it inside my own head endlessly. There is a very broad spectrum of opinions regarding every single aspect or perceived attribute of these animals. There are endless questions that drive us to come here, and to do all of the things that we do in trying to piece together a puzzle that will lead us to the truth behind the enigma. The one thing that I believe we all can agree upon, is that we all want to learn as much as possible about these animals. There are only so many roads that will lead us there though. It is with careful and solemn deliberation that each of us must decide for ourselves whether it is worth the cost of one animals life to get the scientific community to acknowledge that there is at least one species of large undiscovered primate roaming North America, and take the appropriate measures to ensure their future well being. What were your investigators doing at the time they recorded those words spoken by what you assume to be a Bigfoot? I listened to that clip approximately twenty times with studio grade headphones when the podcast that contained the recordings was released. Until I read this thread it never occured to me for even a second that these were "words spoken". Once it was suggested, I will admit that these do sound like words, but I honestly think that it is a coincidence. Our brains are wired to try to decode sounds in such a way. Assuming these creatures do have a language capabilities, how in the heck would they be speaking English? Think about it for a second. They don't use fire, but they speak English? Even if they had a language of their own, specific English words would have no meaning to them whatsoever. They would still just sound like random sounds to them. If the sound in the recording sounded like the word Lasagne, would we assume he had a hankering for some Italian cuisine? I suspect that either that is not a sasquatch, or more likely it is just a coincidence. Just something to chew on. Edited September 13, 2012 by Irish73 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Mentioning Ape Canyon.... Beck thought he was dealing with spirit beings, not mere apes. Bipto, in your podcast, if I am recalling correctly, you make a statement seeming to suggest you flirted with a paranormal explanation for what you witnessed, especially regarding the speed of the (supposed) ape. Were your comments just musings, or is a paranormal explanation a serious consideration for you? The hair.... The human head is the only place known where we may find hair without medulla. Does this preclude your sample from the ape category? Would this cause you to reconsider a human sasquatch? The siege of thrown objects.... Very spooky. I would have phoned 911! You mention that the perp(s) was throwing "twigs" (along with rocks and nuts). Wouldn't this suggest the tosser was close? Even a giant ape would have a problem throwing lightweight twigs any serious distance. And the tosser was not located? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacemonkeymafia Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Thanks for the pics of the orangutans. There certainly is color variation along with facial features that are different among individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southernyahoo Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 I listened to that clip approximately twenty times with studio grade headphones when the podcast that contained the recordings was released. Until I read this thread it never occured to me for even a second that these were "words spoken". Once it was suggested, I will admit that these do sound like words, but I honestly think that it is a coincidence. Our brains are wired to try to decode sounds in such a way. Assuming these creatures do have a language capabilities, how in the heck would they be speaking English? Think about it for a second. They don't use fire, but they speak English? Even if they had a language of their own, specific English words would have no meaning to them whatsoever. They would still just sound like random sounds to them. If the sound in the recording sounded like the word Lasagne, would we assume he had a hankering for some Italian cuisine? I suspect that either that is not a sasquatch, or more likely it is just a coincidence. Just something to chew on. The recording is a little too distant for a definitive determination of the phonetics, but that is a humanoid voice, and that would be evident in spectrographic analysis. The evidence is in the acoustics and how it follows source filter theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Transformer Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 Mentioning Ape Canyon.... Beck thought he was dealing with spirit beings, not mere apes. Bipto, in your podcast, if I am recalling correctly, you make a statement seeming to suggest you flirted with a paranormal explanation for what you witnessed, especially regarding the speed of the (supposed) ape. Were your comments just musings, or is a paranormal explanation a serious consideration for you? The hair.... The human head is the only place known where we may find hair without medulla. Does this preclude your sample from the ape category? Would this cause you to reconsider a human sasquatch? The siege of thrown objects.... Very spooky. I would have phoned 911! You mention that the perp(s) was throwing "twigs" (along with rocks and nuts). Wouldn't this suggest the tosser was close? Even a giant ape would have a problem throwing lightweight twigs any serious distance. And the tosser was not located? Human hair can be with or without a medulla on many parts of the human body. http://www.forensicscience.org/resources/animal-and-human-hair-evidence/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BFSleuth Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 After listening to the sound clip with the "Back Away!" at the end, my first impression is that the "Back" is pronounced more like "Bock" or the Korean pronunciation of "bak" (ë°•). As such I don't think they are speaking English, but it sure sounds like phonemes that are guttural and percussive like the Korean language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FootDude Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 After listening to the sound clip with the "Back Away!" at the end, my first impression is that the "Back" is pronounced more like "Bock" or the Korean pronunciation of "bak" (ë°•). As such I don't think they are speaking English, but it sure sounds like phonemes that are guttural and percussive like the Korean language. 'Get back' and then after a very agitated growl, 'Back away!'. IMO the way the 2 phrases were used 'together' and that they are very similar in meaning makes me give pause to a conclusion it is mere coincidence. When you consider the fact that according to Bipto no one from TBRC used the phrases in the time leading up, it makes one wonder why a Bigfoot would use those 2 similar phrases together the way he/she did??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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