Operation Persistence

[Guest]

It's all tax-deductible.

Yes it is. And that's the whole point of this entire charade. You and your buddies get to play in the woods and buy all kinds of cool stuff then write it off your taxes.

If bigfoot was really out there on that land there is no reason you couldn't have had one on a slab by now.

You know it and I know it..

That's also the reason you're so sure you're not being hoaxed.

[Guest]

Although I went over it earlier in the thread, it bears to stand repeated in the face of jerrywayne's questions. There are really only 3 possible explanations for Operation Persistence. If I've missed another one please let me know.

1) The TBRC is telling the truth and is encountering a family/troop/whatever-you-call it of hairy non-homo sapiens bipedal apes. Maybe they occasionally jump the gun or get something wrong, but in general the rocks being thrown, the several sightings, the unclassified sounds, etc. belong to the unrecognized creature commonly known as sasquatch.

2) The TBRC is lying and pulling an elaborate hoax on the bigfoot community. I'd wager that if we checked into it though, all of these people are taking off of work and actually going somewhere in the Ouchitas. Which means they're fairly dedicated to the hoax.

3) An extremely dedicated group of people is intentionally hoaxing the TBRC.

If you absolutely can not accept the existence of a sasquatch-like creature (and I totally understand that position. Many days I share it.) then do you really honestly believe that option 3 is more likely than option 2? The two sub-options from #3 are an outside group that has multiple members, the ability to be out in the woods day and night for 4-6 months out of the year, and possess an insane and never-before-been-documented level of dedication to a hoax or the family that owns the property is hoaxing the TBRC, even after the Echo Incident and with the full knowledge that several members of the TBRC will kill them if they get caught too close to camp wearing their monkey suit.

Dude... I'll come out and say it. I'm a man of faith. I believe in several things. Some days I even believe in bigfoot. But nothing anyone can say is going to convince me that human beings are hoaxing the TBRC. I really, really, really want to believe Brian's (and others') account of what happened. But I'll bet 100 times out of a 100 that those human beings in the TBRC are lying to me before I believe that some other group of humans is wasting that much time, money, and energy and risking their life on top of it just for ****s and giggles.

Like I said, I really understand being a hardcore skeptic. But I've never heard of a hoax that dedicated. Cons, sure. People will do insane things to make a big payoff. Or they'll waste a night making crop circles for attention. Nobody wears a monkey suit for 6 months, living out in the woods, getting shot at, for no glory and no money. That's just a mind-boggling explanation for events when a far more likely one exists.

[kbhunter]

FuzzyGremlin,

Your above post regarding bipto's post being referred to as a Charade by definition; "an empty or deceptive act or pretense <his concern was a charade>" as defined by Merrium -Webster's on line dictionary, is border line here to being out of bounds. However, It does to me sound antogonnistic. I will give a STRONGLY worded suggestion to not play in that sandbox.

Respect for all is paramount to all, please keep it that way please.

KB

[Guest Transformer]

With all due respect I think the matter is a straight forward breach of contract issue between you and the lab. You paid X dollars for a sample of blood to be analyzed and the sample was not analyzed. As long as the sample was legally obtained the lab has an obligation to carry out its contractual obligation. If any judge ruled against you because of what the sample of blood was purported to be, the judge would be in error and such prejudice itself would be actionable. No judge in their right mind is going to put themselves on record as being such an idiot. I really think you need to revisit your decision not to pursue the matter further.

As a service to other people who may want to have their samples tested I would suggest that you post the name of the lab and the address so others will not send samples to them.

Bipto I posted this a while back and have seen no response to it.

[Guest]

Yes it is. And that's the whole point of this entire charade. You and your buddies get to play in the woods and buy all kinds of cool stuff then write it off your taxes.

That's actually pretty funny. Wait, let me stop laughing...

I own a business that employs 25 people. I get to pay my taxes quarterly because they're so much. This *quarterly* payment is often in the neighborhood $15-25,000, depending on how business has been (and that's just my share - my partners pay the same amount). And you think this is some kind of tax dodge? First, I don't need the deduction. Two, I don't take the deduction. And three, if you don't like that I could if I wanted to, take it up the IRS.

If bigfoot was really out there on that land there is no reason you couldn't have had one on a slab by now.

You know it and I know it..

I know we're trying. What are you doing? Oh, wait. I can see what you're doing.

That's also the reason you're so sure you're not being hoaxed.

So you're in the "we're lying" camp. Gotcha.

[Guest OntarioSquatch]

It's always either a misidentification or a hoax. It could never be the real thing, right?

Edited September 25, 2012 by OntarioSquatch

[Guest]

Bipto I posted this a while back and have seen no response to it.

I don't have the name of the place handy. It was in Canada, though. Montreal, I think. Avoid all Canadian DNA labs just to be safe...

[Drew]

Brian, I don't think you're lying.

I think you are overconfident that you are not being hoaxed.

Bigfooters are easy targets, they are hoping to see an ape-man, and if they see something like an ape-man, they attribute super-human speed and size to it, and call it a Bigfoot. It is the same as a hunter in the pre-dawn darkness, he hears what is actually a squirrel jumping through the leaves, and attributes the size of a large deer to those noises.

[Guest VioletX]

I think you are right Drew,I sense this could be masterminded by:

[Guest]

Who would continue to hoax after narrowly escaping death at the end of a 12 gauge? The people who are out there supposedly hoaxing the TBRC would have to be ten times as dedicated, and it would involve WAY more planning and money than the TBRC members have invested in these operations.

"Hey wouldn't it be funny if we hoaxed the TBRC? Let's get together at least a half dozen people, elaborate costumes, and camp out for ninety days hoaxing them day and night while they shoot at us with Shotguns, and .45-70's. This is going to be hilarious. Wait until we release the video."

It's absurd, I would accept that they were lying before I would accept that they were being hoaxed. I just don't see it.

[Drew]

From what I read, no one else actually saw what the person was firing at.

Is this a true account of the record?

[Guest]

From what I read, no one else actually saw what the person was firing at.

Is this a true account of the record?

There have been multiple sightings and multiple shots taken, some with more than one member present. Perhaps 20% of what's happened has been discussed publicly.

It is absolutely inconceivable that this is human hoaxers. I have zero doubt, and that's not because I'm a "bigfooter." I'm 100% confident in what I'm saying.

[Guest Flatlander]

I have a bigfoot costume, and I would die from heat exhaustion if I tried to wear it for more than 5 minutes in the heat of Eastern Oklahoma in the summer.

[Guest]

That is one of the myriad reasons it couldn't be hoaxers.

[Drew]

How many different people have shot at the monsters? Have you fired at one yourself?