Just Suppose...

[Guest]

Vann, clearly many here are interested.... YOU need to decide what direction YOU want to go and take a position... PERIOD.

Throwing the candy out there and NOT doing anything is a lot like the beautiful girl that whispers "sweet nothings" in your ear, but has no intention of following up...

don't be THAT girl Vann, just sayin'

times two

[Guest]

How would you introduce this evidence to the world? There are certainly many wrong ways to do this, so what would be the proper course of action to keep the situation from turning into a circus? Nobody is trying to make a buck here, but at some point the experience and knowledge needs to be shared. The safety of the creatures must also be taken into account. Yes, there were more then one and they dont' exactly look like the PG creature. Note - this evidence was taken by an individual who was open minded but did have doubts to the existence of these creatures. Not anymore.

If the footage is legit, sell it, make as much money off it as you can. It is going to get praised and slammed either way, no matter how good it seems to be. Make a deal with a TV show or a network. If it is real, don't give it to anyone in the BF world, no matter how warm and fuzzy you think it will make you feel, they'll still get to analyze it after you make your money. But in the end, since I doubt it is real, you can still make your money, but be prepared to feel the wrath of Bigfootery!

[Guest]

You're saying you have both some incredible audio as well as stills and video. A taste would be nice. Even posting some of the audio would be a good start.

Personally I'm not getting my hopes up. Talk is cheap.

Weren't you one who supported the *tracker* videos that showed nothing as being truthful?

I think/know it was you who PM'ed me.

So pardon me if I question you proffering a *talk is cheap* stance when you supported a really poor video that showed *nothing* as proof previously.

Vann, if you need help on deciding what to do with your video I can help I think.

I have direct lines of communication to some of the most respected scientists and researchers.

I'll never ask you to share your video with me.

I will help you sort out your best avenue to get it into the proper hands.

Just PM me if you need help.

[Guest toejam]

I support Tracker because I know he's telling the truth.

[Guest]

Yet his videos show nothing but a bunch of blobs and blurs.

Dunno, thought I would ask as you seemed to really challenge Vann Johnson and then my memory kicked in.

So you know tracker is telling the truth, support his really poor video evidence, and then confront Vann Johnson when you haven't seen his evidence.

Gotcha and thanks.

Sarcasm alert above...

[Guest toejam]

I was just stating that talk is cheap. How many times have we seen someone state they have the goods, then nothing becomes of it?

I supported one of Trackers videos that showed something pulling behind a "stump" as he panned towards it.

This thread is claiming to have close up video (several minutes) incredible audio as well as still shots. Here we go again.

I'm also willing to admit when I'm wrong.

Edited September 15, 2012 by toejam

[Guest]

Poor videos, as tracker submitted, claiming proof are much more harmful.

I have a video that shows 7 minutes of clear BF footage and 2 subjects.

No red or yellow circles required as were on the videos of tracker.

I didn't take the film but it was sent to me and I'll be visiting the property in which the film was obtained in November.

Just might be Vann has an equally cool video that is unblurry and clear.

Found it surprising you would poo-poo it so quickly when you supported some really poor footage previously.

That's all. Not looking for a fight.

But I would suggest you supply the same standards to the *tracker* videos, you apply to the ones Vann mentions that you have never witnessed if you wish to be taken seriously.

If you see a BF in those *tracker* videos then I'm not sure you will ever be taken seriously.

Vann would not have to go too far to come up with much better footage as those submitted by *tracker* were really poor.

I can assure you I have 3-4 better videos that have been shared privately and never been posted.

Talk can be cheap if you do not have the material to substantiate the talk.

I'd submit that going out and filming a bunch of blurry objects, stumps, and blobs while promoting them as clear evidence of BF is more harmful than discussion of other videos will ever be.

I've seen what clear video footage of BF looks like.

[Guest toejam]

As I mentioned, I supported one of Tracker's videos. Yeah it's too bad his equipment sucked. Oh well. Hopefully he has just as much luck this year with better equipment.

If there was something posted on this thread instead of just talk, it'd be a different story. I wasn't poo-pooing anything except mentioning talk is cheap cause I've heard it countless times already.

Can't blame me for being cynical. I just voiced it, that's all. No big deal. I'm allowed to do that.

Just a taste is all I asked for. Several minutes of video, incredible audio, still shots, the whole shabang. It's easy to be cynical with this subject considering the amount of hoaxers and b.s. that goes on almost daily.

Personally I've never make any claims as "clear evidence". In fact I've been persuaded to come to a different conclusion through the perspective of others.

[BobbyO]

Vann, another golden rule..

Whatever you do, DON'T send it to the Bigfoot people on Facebook for validation.

[Guest SquatchinNY]

Posted at the request of Vann Johnson.

This is one of the best prints I have ever seen.

[Guest]

Do you know how long the penknife is?

[Guest Vann Johnson]

4 15/16"

It's a vintage Hibbard-Spencer-Bartlett jack knifeThanks to SquatchNY for posting it, I was having trouble getting the image to link up

Edited September 16, 2012 by Vann Johnson

[Guest]

So the print is about 15" give or take a few 16ths?

[Guest Vann Johnson]

As I relayed to squatchNY in pm's, this is one of the prints that was photographed with my old pocket dig. camera and I used the knife to reference size. Yes, probably around 15"+ The rest of the photos/videos were taken with high quality equipt and measuring sticks.

I guess since everybody was asking for at least a "teaser" pic, I thought I'd throw this one out. It's not a fresh track, as you can see it got rained on pretty good, but for now, it will at least show the folks here what we're dealing with.

ps , we have photographed and measured 5 sets of tracks ranging from 13" to 17" long, some of these were documented moments after creature was witness , of course we waited til they left area!

The chunks of rotten redwood probably give our location away, to a degree

[Guest VioletX]

Nice print!

Sometimes when I see a print like this, I wonder how we can think of the BF as apes...

Edited September 16, 2012 by VioletX