Rick Dyer Again

[Guest]

I will say that I do think there probably has been a certain amount of 'lacing' done to this story. I wonder about the cameraman being knocked over for instance but I think that they overall basics of the story ie. BF showed up and was shot, is true. I think unfortunately because Rick Dyer leaked the story back in September, and because he has to wait for the evidence to be released mainstream, he is trying desperately to keep our interests and take centre stage - and he is achieving it. I for one have been thoroughly entertained by the whole Musky build up story and statement and now waiting for the next person to authenticate it. Who is that guy giving a statement on Rick Dyers blog? I think he pretty much says the same thing? Not all details are true but the basis of the story is.

Okay Jacki. I don't agree but okay.

[Guest]

Ok...You are a film company wrapping up a documentary. You've won some awards, but you are not a household name. You suddenly have the biggest discovery of the century...the biggest discovery in biological field ....a household name ( known by many names ) ...has just fallen into your lap. You have a film debut only months away, but you keep the body secret and force everyone to sign nda's. Massive amounts of nda's! Waterfalls of them! ( you get my point ) You've been assisting in storing the body in an undisclosed location outside of las vegas and monitoring who is viewing and examining the body. ( more ndas )sharing this responsibility 50/50 with a madman named rick dyer. If a bigfoot was really shot on film and in possession, i think minnow films and the bbc should really look into hiring some new PR!

Edited February 8, 2013 by simplyskyla

[Guest]

with a madman named rick dyer.

Ohhhh Skyla, I sure hope you don't have a criminal record! lol

[adam2323]

Lots of NDAs, Adam. Lots of NDAs.

He also claims 3 university people examined the body at some point. No proof of course. What university, where, when, and whether they were faculty, students or maintenance staff, no one knows.

How ridiculous is this story!

there is no NDA's cuz it never happened

okay okay..put it like this. If no bigfoot showed up during that week in San Antonio and no BF was shot and RD is making the whole darn story up, yeah, WHY WHY WHY arent all the people who were ALSO there in San Antonio during that expedition (we are talking about the expedition members and the Minnow Film Crew), why have NONE of them come forward and say 'this is rubbish'?

.....Oh yes course! Rick Dyer is paying all of them to keep their mouths shut and Minnow is sitting there enjoying him inventing up a story to an an audience who dont even know of his existence. You know earlier this week when we were all there waiting for Musky to give his statement, I glanced down at the viewing numbers here to see how many people were waiting. It said about 60-70! Wow! Minnow are really getting lots of publicity for this story arent they. I mean 60 - 70 people - thats like..........the whole world!!!! LOL

For heavens sake give me a break. Your theories are even more ridiculous than mine now - and thats saying something because my theory is based on something that could feasibly have happened whereas yours are just totally ludicrous.

Jacki go have a drink and calm down Rick doesnt need to pay anybody he never had a body..sad you would believe he ever did

You wouldn't need more than the fingers on your hand to add this up jacki.

exactly !!

[Guest]

Ohhhh Skyla, I sure hope you don't have a criminal record! lol

Let's see if there is anything interesting he can dig up on me.

hmmmmm.....I have two college degrees.....an extensive musical background....and i'm currently a stay at home mommy.

Good luck! kinda boring over here. lol

[southernyahoo]

I think this all hinges on the musky identity and his connections in the BF world.

Dyre is the type of person that has no concience or shame. So it hinges on having a real body, and real names examining it.

[Guest TH68]

RD shoots and kills a Bigfoot in of all places San Antonio! Cops come, look at a dead 9 foot bigfoot and don't do anything except say move it off the street before Home Depot opens. They don't call the DA? No cell phone pic for the guys down at the station or the local dunkin' doughnuts? Then the body is packed up and taken to where? Las Vegas? Really?

Enter some unknown kid with an on line identity who gets his pic taken with RD outside of a Casino whose name is rdciculously apparent in the photo. By the way, this skeptic just happens to be the same age as RD and looks like he could be related. You would think that the famous skeptic would be perhaps more mature looking and not an RD clone?

Rewind to the Minnow films documentary. As their website says it is about people who are obsessed with monsters, so much so that is has taken over their lives. That folks is what the film is about. It is an artsy quirky documentary about folks who search for monsters and never find them. (sound familiar MM?)There is no HD film of a Sasquatch, dead or alive There is no body. There is no secret facility outside of Vegas. Dr. Meldrum was never contacted by anyone.

There will be an exhibit at the Excalibur in the future, but it won't contain a San Antonio Sasquatch.

One more thing. Is there anyone out there besides me who thinks they have seen that tent video figure someplace else before all of this? I can't put my finger on it but something is just not right about that video.

I remember quite well the Ga. hoax and the buzz about it on the old forum. This is the same thing folks. Sure Musky what's his name sounds believable in the FB interview to all who want to believe. Heck most of us want to believe. We all want to see a body rolled out to finally prove BF existence and validate all of the eyewitnesses who have seen them. That is the basis of the scam. RD has found a way to make money off of this. Nicely done con.

Edited February 8, 2013 by TH68

[Guest]

Do me a favour - take yourself down to your local corner store and buy yourself a calculator......

Ouch Jacki and here, all along, I was trying to be so nice and respectful. In fact, I probably should just let it go and agree to disagree and I will after this, but, quite frankly, your curt dismissal of my point kind of got my dander up and I feel like I need to reiterate my argument.

So, while I know I'm just a dumb Yank, let's see if I can do the math in my head here just for fun....

Let's add up what we know. We have;

1 suspect video which was released under less than full honesty + 1 Claim by a known hoaxer that the subject of that video was shot and killed later that day + 1 corroborating statement by an unknown self proclaimed bigfoot researcher turned skeptic who won't even reveal his real name so folks can verify his bonafides + 0 bodies + o physical evidence of said bodies + 0 statements from anyone not connected to the known hoaxer that a body even exists + 0 statements from anyone on the film crew or the other 'researchers' who were supposed to have witnessed this event + 0 evidence that the unknown skeptic really went anywhere and viewed anything + 0 evidence that the supposed lawyers, NDAs, body or HD film of the claimed event exist at all outside of the imagination of Slick Rick and his new best bud.

Now I don't have a big fancy scientific calculator, but if I take my socks off and use my toes as well, I think I can pretty well add up that the cost of this fiasco so far is virtually nothing. After all, if Rick and Musky aren't telling the truth then none of these other things even exist and therefore there are no costs associated with them.

Basically, with the total lack of any corroborating evidence or witnesses it boils down to a completely subjective question; Do you believe Rick Dyer and Musky Allen? I know you do and I fully respect your choice to. I, personally, do not.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that this is absolutely a hoax. As I've said before, I still believe there is a slight possibility that this really did happen, but there does not need to be a huge, complex and expensive conspiracy in order to make this what I suspect it to be, another hoax by Mr. Dyer.

Best regards.

[Guest]

Basically, with the total lack of any corroborating evidence or witnesses it boils down to a completely subjective question; Do you believe Rick Dyer and Musky Allen? I know you do and I fully respect your choice to. I, personally, do not.

I wouldn't say "total lack of any corroborating evidence", as you mentioned, there is the Tent Video. And thats twice as much evidence as we usually get...

[Guest blackbriar]

And again, I just don't understand why some people are so fixed on the idea that Minnow MUST care about what is happening. Honestly, why would they?

Exactly, their film is about the Bigfoot / monster obsessed people out there, this thread IS just what they were thinking about when they had the idea of the film, it's about us, not about Bigfoot, dyer has a few months to play his game till the film is screened and then the jig is up, play along its fun while it lasts

An annoying but entertaining shot in sasquatch's arm.

[Guest]

I'm wondering what musky and dyer talked about on the 3 hr drive back. Musky obviously didnt ask him much because in the interview he said he didn't know if the skin color changed after death and he doesn't know if it is being kept frozen, etc... It sounds like he didnt really ask dyer much about it. You would think they would discuss the nail and foot pad colors and other things. Musky supposedly researched Bigfoot for half his life and then became a skeptic. How did he not want to talk about some of the things that don't fit typical Bigfoot descriptions and everything else about it. 3 hrs is a long time to sit in a car with someone and not talk about the dead Bigfoot you just saw.

[Cisco]

Double post. Mods. Please delete.

Edited February 8, 2013 by Cisco

[Guest]

Maybe Dyer did all the talking, and Musky was in a bit of shock. Who knows...

[Cisco]

Good morning fellow RD junkies!

I'm done beating the stretcher/ gurney horse and I'm now moving on to other oddities in this story.

My next one is the "magic" bullet.

We can all agree that MA has told two different stories. In one, he claims the bullet entered the neck and exited the mouth. In another, he claims the bullet entered the back of the head and exited the mouth.

It's worth mentioning that RDs original story also states the bullet entered the head and exited the mouth. It was later, and after we had deduced this would have been impossible, he changed his story and said the bullet did enter the back of the neck and exit the mouth.

All this has been discussed to a certain degree but has not gotten as much attention as it should have.

So, first question; why have the stories changed?

1. It would have been impossible for RD to have shot the BIgfoot in the back of the head AND result with the bullet exiting the mouth.

Why? It's very simple; the trajectory or angle would have been wrong.

Bigfoot, in this case, is 8 ft tall and RD is 6 ft tall. At the distance RD claims, he would have had to point his rifle "up" to hit the head. This would have resulted in a bullet trajectory that would have continued going up, at a slight angle, and would have exited somewhere between the nose and eyes.

I think we can agree this would not work and would not match the claimed results?

The second scenario, The one where the bullet enters the back of the neck and exits the mouth, is the one that may actually be plausible as the angles/ trajectory would be correct.

Again, I think we can all agree on this, in theory.

Please keep on mind, I'm not a forensic expert. I'm just a guy that has some experience hunting with a variety of calibers and one of those happens to be a 30.06. I also do some reloading and I'm familiar with load performance.

The best load, that matches this story, would be the 30.06, 150 grain, full metal jacket round.

Now, according to RD, he shot at a distance of about 40-70 yards. At this distance, the round I mentioned, would be traveling at a velocity of 2750 ft per second and would have about 2500 ft lbs of energy.

This would allow the bullet to enter the back of the neck, continue upwards and exit the mouth with minimal damage to the face of the creature.

However, even though the bullet itself may not cause much damage, the energy, in its wake, would cause significant damage.

So, with this additional info; why has the story changed so often? Does RD not remember where he shot it and does MAs new story match the ballistic capabilities?

I think this can help make or break this story.

So, why has the story changed? It appears to be an important detail, not easily forgotten.

Any ideas?

Edited February 8, 2013 by Cisco

[Guest]

Good morning fellow RD junkies!

I'm done beating the stretcher/ gurney horse and I'm now moving on to other oddities in this story.

My next one is the "magic" bullet.

We can all agree that MA has told two different stories. In one, he claims the bullet entered the neck and exited the mouth. In another, he claims the bullet entered the back of the head and exited the mouth.

It's worth mentioning that RDs original story also states the bullet entered the head and exited the mouth. It was later, and after we had deduced this would have been impossible, he changed his story and said the bullet did enter the back of the neck and exit the mouth.

All this has been discussed to a certain degree but has not gotten as much attention as it should have.

So, first question; why have the stories changed?

1. It would have been impossible for RD to have shot the BIgfoot in the back of the head AND result with the bullet exiting the mouth.

Why? It's very simple; the trajectory or angle would have been wrong.

Bigfoot, in this case, is 8 ft tall and RD is 6 ft tall. At the distance RD claims, he would have had to point his rifle "up" to hit the head. This would have resulted in a bullet trajectory that would have continued going up, at a slight angle, and would have exited somewhere between the nose and eyes.

I think we can agree this would not work and would not match the claimed results?

The second scenario, The one where the bullet enters the back of the neck and exits the mouth, is the one that may actually be plausible as the angles/ trajectory would be correct.

Again, I think we can all agree on this, in theory.

Please keep on mind, I'm not a forensic expert. I'm just a guy that has some experience hunting with a variety of calibers and one of those happens to be a 30.06. I also do some reloading and I'm familiar with load performance.

The best load, that matches this story, would be the 30.06, 150 grain, full metal jacket round.

Now, according to RD, he shot at a distance of about 40-70 yards. At this distance, the round I mentioned, would be traveling at a velocity of 2750 ft per second and would have about 2500 ft lbs of energy.

This would allow the bullet to enter the back of the neck, continue upwards and exit the mouth with minimal damage to the face of the creature.

However, even though the bullet itself may not cause much damage, the energy, in its wake, would cause significant damage.

So, with this additional info; why has the story changed so often? Does RD not remember where he shot it and does MAs new story match the ballistic capabilities?

I think this can help make or break this story. Anybody?

Back, and to the left.

In all seriousness, I have unfortunately seen more victims of gun shots than I ever thought I would. And no two injuries look the same. Most I've seen have been self inflicted suicides & attempts. Sometimes there's nothing left, other times you can't even tell a bullet entered the body.

As for the murders I've seen, the wounds are never what you'd expect, and take hours upon hours of forensic investigating to figure out. And it's not your average chump cop doing the forensic investigating. Forensic investigators are experts and have to be right, and will never assume a conclusion. So for us to discuss bullet wounds with any certainty is a little out of our league.

Edited February 8, 2013 by Mounty