Release Of Forensic Dna Results For Sierra Kills Sample

[Guest]

I do sincererely hope, and have some confidence that perhaps other samples in her arsenal will support her claims. But that camp always claimed that Justin's samples were the most prominent pillar in their support system, so it becomes problematic.

Okay, I've read your statement of possibilities on the other site.

I've heard (reading Ketchum's facebook) that there were 107 (think that's the number) specimen samples. With the statement about the other camp and the prominet support with Justin samples. How can then this be possible given the evidance found with this lab? Perhaps she wasn't saying the Justin samples were prominet for the evidence of "squach" DNA. Perhaps the other samples, were DNA "squach"!

,,this is a tangle web. Somewhere along the line, a part is missing.

Edited December 28, 2012 by treadstone

[Guest]

Wait, wait, WAIT!

If JS couldn't find the adult BF when he shot it...how did he find it (or we thought) when he returned a week or two later and just started digging in the snow?

He had a closer suspicion on the whereabouts of the juve it would seem? As he never knew where the adult went.

So should we be surprised he started digging in snow, found a piece of flesh (a week later) and it doesn't test as BF?

It's the only reasoning I can come up with as other people involved believe his story. They seem to be saying he caught a tough break and missed his opportunity, but he is being truthful.

[Guest Scout1959]

Wasn't it more like 5 weeks?

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[Guest]

Oh my goodness....I HOPE NOT! I can't remember, it's been so long I read the account....but if it was indeed 5 WEEKS! We all look foolish for thinking he actually happened to stumble upon the spot where they BF died...when he couldn't even find it the original day.

It still neglects: Why didn't he go where the juve died because he was sure of that location, or at least as sure as he could be since this didn't take place in his backyard.

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[Guest Scout1959]

Yep it was 5 weeks later.

http://bigfooteviden...erra-kills.html

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[Guest]

Well SOMEONE SHUT THE FRONT DOOR!

Skeptics and believers alike should be ashamed! We actually expected JS to have successfully harvested a sample of the creature he shot 5 weeks prior? When he didn't even know where it went down on the day he shot it?

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[Guest Scout1959]

Boggles the mind doesn't it...

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[Guest OntarioSquatch]

Justin said he knew where he hid the juvenile, but I guess that disappeared as well.

[Guest Tyler H]

It still neglects: Why didn't he go where the juve died because he was sure of that location, or at least as sure as he could be since this didn't take place in his backyard.

He did go there - several times - it was gone.

Nobody takes lie detector tests as fact anymore - that can be tossed out, so there will still be doubt.

Nope, polygraphs are certainly not infallible. But it's the best we had/have. When you add it to the body of information and behaviours and witness statements - all the other evidence as a whole, then it starts to build a case. None of those aspects are unassailable in and of themselves, but as a whole, I personally find them compelling enough to investigate further.

Certainly if he had failed the polygraph, we'd all use it as evidence, right? So it has to count for SOMETHING that he passed it.

And, if we are faced with one party who has passed a polygraph, complied with everything that has been asked of him, been transparent, and shared his samples quite freely and then another party that has not taken a polygraph, and complied with none of what was asked of them, and has been secretive and manipulative, who do you put more faith in?

[Guest slimwitless]

I have some serious questions about that timeline. Smeja says he shot the creatures on October 8, 2010. In his statement about this DNA analysis, he says he recovered the flesh sample on November 10, 2010. His famous first post about the shooting (on taxidermy.net) was dated November 7, 2010 - only three days before. After that thread spiraled out of control, the story goes that Ken Walker called Smeja, got the scoop and then subsequently gave Derek Randles a heads up. On Randles web site, he says he was put in touch with Smeja about two weeks after the shooting. But that can't be - Smeja revealed his story to the world four weeks after the shooting. Even if Randles is mistaken about the time period, I seem to recall an interview where he said it took quite a bit of prodding to get Smeja to go back up there and look...we're talking many days, if not a week or two. Now the official timeline suggests he recovered the steak three days after his first post. That doesn't ring true.

WTH?

Edited December 28, 2012 by slimwitless

[Guest]

Tyler, thanks for sharing the information you and Bart have paid for. I appreciate that. I have a question though not related to the test as much as your experiences there obstensibly with the close kin of the two Sasquatch which Justin says he shot. First, did you sense antagonism from the creatures watching your camp and where you fearful of the element of revenge possible being present there?

[Guest slimwitless]

Tyler, do you happen to be the "Tyler H" that joined Smeja's taxidermy.net thread in December, 2010?

That thread is an interesting read. Smeja was largely ignored as the debate about BF raged on. For some strange reason, it seems they removed all of skywalker's posts from the discussion.

One more thing. Do you or Bart have any thoughts on my questions about the timeline?

[Guest]

What if Smeja let one fly while the BF was shape-shifting into a bear? And, don't we have some evidence, via the Jacobs photo, that bears and juvy squatches run around, frolicking about the woods together?

I'm still not sure what to think about this whole escapade. I'm not sure what indicators people are seeing when they watch the Smeja interviews to determine that he is lying. It's possible that he could be, but he seems like he is retelling a story that he believes to be true, IMO. It seems crazy, I'm sure, for people who don't know that they exist, but when you do, you can see this event as being entirely plausible, even though I didn't believe one iota of it, initially. Would anyone running a hoax want those samples sent out to anyone else, if you've already got verification from Melba that they were + for Bigfoot? What would be the point, unless you were trying to deflect any possible criminal implications? The jig would be up once the bear results came back, which he would surely know that it was coming back bear, and would discredit him to many people, unless, of course, he didn't know what the sample was, and based on what had occurred in that location previously, he thought there was a strong possibility that he had some sort of evidence of his shooting. The chain of events leads me to believe, personally, that he was unaware of what he was sending in. Plus, how messed up would it be to have a buddy(Bart) spend his own hard-earned money testing something that he knew was nothing?

Edited December 28, 2012 by PacNWSquatcher

[Guest BartloJays]

Would anyone running a hoax want those samples sent out to anyone else, if you've already got verification from Melba that they were + for Bigfoot? What would be the point, unless you were trying to deflect any possible criminal implications? The jig would be up once the bear results came back, which he would surely know that it was coming back bear, and would discredit him to many people, unless, of course, he didn't know what the sample was, and based on what had occurred in that location previously, he thought there was a strong possibility that he had some sort of evidence of his shooting. The chain of events leads me to believe, personally, that he was unaware of what he was sending in. Plus, how messed up would it be to have a buddy(Bart) spend his own hard-earned money testing something that he knew was nothing?

You hit the nail on the head PacNW

She's already claiming it's from a bigfoot (Justin has been told this from the second it was supposedly tested), why not keep your mouth shut and stay shielded by her as she could keep your hoax running for quite a while and you don't have to do a thing. Matter of fact just get rid of your samples right? Instead what does he do? He makes sure he has the sample spread out enough places to be safe even a few emergency places and he pleads for indepedent testing with Tyler and I, who were already there for the checks and balances reasons alone. There is not one sign or action from Justin Smeja I've seen (and I had a pretty good look) consistent with someone who was intending to perpetrate a hoax...not one. He believed and still believes our labs may've gotten it wrong though he is willing to accept the results because he trusts reputable labs more then he trusts her (he has good reason). You'll know why within days I believe.

On another note, FYI, as I mentioned previously, it's already happening. Her camp is indicating (as I've heard from a few in "her camp" today that reached out to me) that the plan is to say that Justin sent her a piece right from the body and then sent Tyler and I bear pieces to avoid prosecution. It's really the only way out you see. Now you're expected to not only believe the Sierras shooting (which until substantiating evidence is provided is understandably a stretch for anybody) but that Justin would purposely sabotage himself to save himself from prosecution he has zero fear of, yet .......continues to be more interested and active in bigfooting.

I have some serious questions about that timeline. Smeja says he shot the creatures on October 8, 2010. In his statement about this DNA analysis, he says he recovered the flesh sample on November 10, 2010. His famous first post about the shooting (on taxidermy.net) was dated November 7, 2010 - only three days before. After that thread spiraled out of control, the story goes that Ken Walker called Smeja, got the scoop and then subsequently gave Derek Randles a heads up. On Randles web site, he says he was put in touch with Smeja about two weeks after the shooting. But that can't be - Smeja revealed his story to the world four weeks after the shooting. Even if Randles is mistaken about the time period, I seem to recall an interview where he said it took quite a bit of prodding to get Smeja to go back up there and look...we're talking many days, if not a week or two. Now the official timeline suggests he recovered the steak three days after his first post. That doesn't ring true.

WTH?

Slim, I believe the attempt for body recovery by Justin and Jack was Nov 13th 2010 as I believe Justin has a photo with a time/date stamp and gps back at the site (2 1/2 hr drive from Sac). In addition he should have pics of the recovered piece "thawed" back at his house much later in the same day/night. I'd have to ask Justin but I believe it absolutely took prodding to get him back to the site but I don't remember offhand if it was from a series of calls or just one from Derek. I think the mistake in estimated times are just that, poor estimates but unintentional. Justin is a hell of a shot and a highly skilled fisherman but he's admittedly lousy remembering blocks of time (days to weeks) and if he tells you he's taking you fishing to an unmarked lake in the Sierras I'd recommend you bring a gps, I "almost" learned the hard way LOL.

Edited December 28, 2012 by BartloJays

[steenburg]

Tyler H. Despite the disappointment you must have felt with the results I have to congratulate you guys with coming forward and not trying to hide or miss lead in any way. That is true research, We need much more of this in this field, Boys as far as I am concerned you guys are an example of that. You stuck to the facts and let the chips fall where they may.

Thomas Steenburg

Edited December 28, 2012 by steenburg