georgerm Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Hey............welcome Roblester........................first post...........come on back. Pretty wild story and they lift you up, then crash you down. Maybe this one is different.......LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roblester Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I'll be around, at least for this story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimB Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 A few years back I was working with a lawyer, He is a family friend and is aware of my bigfoot hobby. His wife at the time was a Legislator, She sat in on the conversation I am going to relay to you. I asked the lawyer, What would you do if I were to retain your services if I captured a bigfoot, or found one dead? How would you as my lawyer proceed to protect my rights to ownership? He said first make sure the animal is in a safe place, purchase a commercial freezer if it is dead, and contain it if alive. But under no circumstances do you tell anyone outside of those involoved and your lawyer of course. My highlight added to enhance the most important aspect of this story... Tim B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roblester Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I know waiting is always the worst part, That seems to be the one universal complaint. Why wait to show it to the world if you have a body/specimen. This has not been discussed by me with any of the participants other than DW. This is MY opinion only, but it makes sense. A few years back I was working with a lawyer, He is a family friend and is aware of my bigfoot hobby. His wife at the time was a Legislator, She sat in on the conversation I am going to relay to you. I asked the lawyer, What would you do if I were to retain your services if I captured a bigfoot, or found one dead? How would you as my lawyer proceed to protect my rights to ownership? He said first make sure the animal is in a safe place, purchase a commercial freezer if it is dead, and contain it if alive. But under no circumstances do you tell anyone outside of those involoved and your lawyer of course. Letters and phone calls would have to be made to the interior department. Fish and game department, Forestry department...and he mentioned several other government agencies that I don't remember. He said first you have to make absolutely sure to secure the specimen/body "Legally" for you to have any rights to it. No matter who had an interest in the specimen, you can and have to secure your rights as the discoverer and owner. It would take some time, even with all these things in place pre-capture, It would still take time before you could even reveal it's whereabouts, or it probably will be taken under all kinds of statutes. But you would have rights, and most things would be negotiable, even with the government, once and only once all legal documents are secured by you. It would be you and your lawyer's responsibility to get all that done. And even then, it is still going to be a tough difficult thing to accomplish if the government wants it. I thanked him and got up to leave, He said call him if this ever happened. lol I had never ever really thought of the ramifications of all these things that would nee to be in place before bringing it out. But everyone always speculates that the MIB or government agency would swoop in and take it, after this discussion, I am sure of it. Remember, this is just my opinion, and my lawyer's too. But it only makes sense. It takes time. I had spent some time today emailing about 7 States. So far, I have one reply from Texas. I will post my email to, and the email from, with some editing out of mine as to not offend anyone.( you never know ). From what I have been told by Troopers here, and others, I have all ways thought if a unknown animal is caught, or killed, it is not protected, and is the property of whoever did it, or found it. As it looks, I am correct. Also, Steve Kulls ( spelling ) had a very good point....If a Bigfoot is ever caught or killed, first place it should be taken is the local TV station, even if waiting on the front steps is the option. Hello, This is going to sound like a joke, but it is not... If a Bigfoot, or any large new species or animal were caught or killed, is there a law, or protocal from the Governemnt, or any local agencies to take it?. What keeps coming up all over the place is how Government agencies would take it away and such. So, can you please either tell me, or lead me to the right place to find out if ( very big if, and just a question ) a new large species of animal were caught, or even killed, what should the protocol be for the person that caught or killed it? We are taking a new species no one new exists, like Bigfoot. Are there laws for this? Is it the property of whomever killed or captured it? This information is impossible to find, other then hear say, or opinions. Please let me know. Thank You, Robert Lester I would suggest contacting the Biology department of a nearby university to ask about typical protocol if a new species were discovered. I will say that new species are being discovered all the time and government agencies do not take them away. We have had several species of salamander discovered right here in the Austin area, they remain in the wild or with those who discovered them. Mark Klym Information Specialist Wildlife Diversity Program Austin, TX http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Texas-Wildscapes/224879157526926 http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Texas-Wildlife-Diversity/202258796511399 http://www.conservationplate.org Anyone is free to verify this, and contact all other States also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VioletX Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Thanks Roblester for doing a little research and for a thoughtful post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roblester Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Thanks Roblester for doing a little research and for a thoughtful post. No problem Trying to write a email to State Wildlife agencies about Bigfoot, and trying to make it taken serious is not easy. As said, I sent I believe 7 States emails, and only received the one from Texas back. I think it would be nice to have things like this clarified, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VioletX Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Thanks, so depending on the laws in the state that is not Oklahoma...maybe Texas,(LOL), those guys should be cleared to release their information, right? ; D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roblester Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Thanks, so depending on the laws in the state that is not Oklahoma...maybe Texas,(LOL), those guys should be cleared to release their information, right? ; D No, nothing says that either. I just do not get why someone would hide such a huge find. I have seen the excuses of possible government taking the subject quite a bit. Not saying it on this case, although I seem to remember something, but not sure whom replied it. Now if you mean " cleared" as in " safe ", then yes. I wish I had Oklahoma's answer. Either way, I can not see any reason to hide anything. Well, I can, but I will not test those waters here. As I said, I agree with Steve Kulls.... " I would take it straight to the steps of the local TV station " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VioletX Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 yes I meant safe. I guess if they have been planning this for years they must have a method to their madness, and we will find out too...one day,lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roblester Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) Email just came in from Washington State : Sir, I have to say I this was the most interesting e-mail I received today. My expertise in protocols associated with newly discovered species, specifically a Big Foot, is limited………..but hey, you asked, so here is my best shot from a Fish and Wildlife Police Officer perspective (pun intended): In order to determine the agencies regulatory authority, I had to consider a number of factors. The first question that must be answered is, does Big Foot fall within the classification of wild animals ? As you know, the name of this animal varies on the location; i.e. bigfoot in America , sasksquatch in Canada and yeti in Asia. My understanding is that all these references are used interchangeably with respect to the same animal in America, which can be confusing. Not to digress too much, if I ever have anything to say about it, I would advocate eliminating those apparent regional designations to reduce confusion over whether we are talking about the same critter, an aberration of the same critter, or a completely different critter. Recognizing that sub-species may exist, some separation could be made up front, such as “lesser Big Foot, Greater Big Foot, Mountain Big Footâ€â€¦..etc. At the end of the day, at least we know we are talking about a “big footâ€. Anyhow, I couldn’t find where Big Foot was specifically defined as a wild animal anywhere. But if it could be determined that a big foot was indeed a wild animal, I could pinch the captors for poaching a big-foot closed season because “to hunt†and its derivatives mans an effort to kill, injure, capture, or harass a wild animal or wild bird. Some believe its ancestor to be Gigantipithicus, an ice age great ape, who roamed the continents thousands of years ago. I guess if apes were running around in Washington in a wild state, I could regulate it, given that Wild animals" means those species of the class Mammalia, whose members exist in Washington in a wild state. The term "wild animal" does not include feral domestic mammals or old world rats and mice of the family Muridae of the order Rodentia. I don’t think Big foots are either. Whether we would actually cite or arrest someone given such a large discovery would be an interesting discussion in itself. I am guessing that if the critter was captured unharmed and turned over to “scienceâ€, we would exercise officer discretion and take no action. In all seriousness, if this ever happened, we wouldn’t know what to do………….the shock would be too great. RCW 77.08.010 Definitions. 65) "To hunt" and its derivatives means an effort to kill, injure, capture, or harass a wild animal or wild bird. (73) "Wild animals" means those species of the class Mammalia whose members exist in Washington in a wild state. The term "wild animal" does not include feral domestic mammals or old world rats and mice of the family Muridae of the order Rodentia. RCW 77.15.430 Unlawful hunting of wild animals — Penalty. (1) A person is guilty of unlawful hunting of wild animals in the second degree if the person hunts for wild animals not classified as big game and, whether or not the person possesses the wild animals, the person has not purchased the appropriate hunting license issued to Washington residents or nonresidents under chapter 77.32 RCW. (2) A person is guilty of unlawful hunting of wild animals in the second degree if the person: (a) Takes or possesses a wild animal that is not classified as big game, and owns, but does not have in the person's possession, all licenses, tags, or permits required by this title; or ( Violates any department rule regarding seasons, bag or possession limits but less than two times the bag or possession limit, closed areas including game reserves, closed times, or any other rule addressing the manner or method of hunting or possession of wild animals not classified as big game. (3) A person is guilty of unlawful hunting of wild animals in the first degree if the person takes or possesses two times or more than the possession or bag limit for wild animals that are not classified as big game animals as allowed by department rule. (4)(a) Unlawful hunting of wild animals in the second degree is a misdemeanor. ( Unlawful hunting of wild animals in the first degree is a gross misdemeanor. Above from Mike Censi DFW Deputy Chief Mike Cenci, Field Operations Mike.Cenci@dfw.wa.gov Edited January 3, 2013 by roblester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 (edited) Quantra meeting tonight ...below is the text from Ed Smith's most recent news: http://www.mid-ameri....php?f=4&t=8038 From Ed Smith, 1-2-2013 wrote: I am restricted in discussing any of our past project work for a period of ten years. I am further restricted from participating in research even for my own private enjoyment (trust me there was a price for that one) for seven years. That sounds more like a Non-compete clause/agreement. Very common with businesses that have some kind of 'trade secret" they don't want another business having (that is similar to theirs). So, they force outgoing employees who know this information to sign a Non-compete clause/agreement, and they usually have a set amount of years this agreement/clause is enforced. I suppose this Non-compete clause/agreement could have been added to the NDA. But, in my experience these are separate documents. But, I guess it could be added easily enough. And if he did sign either type of document - he could be sued - and may be sued - for discussing anything about that text he received by their error. Before anyone asks -- no I have not seen either agreement (although I wouldn't mind taking a gander at one or both) - I am simply discussing what I read that was posted. I have no new information either Edited January 3, 2013 by Melissa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Has anybody been able to track down any info from last nights meeting in Houston? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Bass Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 I think I would be just satisfied if a meeting happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Luckyfoot Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 Email just came in from Washington State : .......................................................... Deputy Chief Mike Cenci, Field Operations Mike.Cenci@dfw.wa.gov Well done roblester. Plussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Theagenes Posted January 3, 2013 Share Posted January 3, 2013 If a bunch of trust fund baby yahoos actually succeeded in capturing a live BF I would hope very much that someone from a Federal agency like USFW would swoop in and take it immediately before it is harmed or dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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