Paul Freeman Footage.....believe It Or Not?

[MagniAesir]

Then I'll ask. Why would either of you search for a creature you have concluded does not exist?

Simple the topic fascinates me

I won't answer for the other skeptic, except to say that he had a very strange occurrence happen to him while solo camping in Northern California years ago

I will give you a couple of reasons that keep me interested

1) BC Witness has posted his encounter on here.

I have known BC for a couple of years now and consider him a friend. In the time that I have known him, not once has he given me any indication that he is a liar.

At the time of his sighting, he had been hunting, camping, 4x4'ing, hiking and mountain biking in this area for well over 20 years.

His sighting was during a bright day, fairly close up and lasted long enough for him to get a good look at it

It is hard for me to think it was misidentification

I have been to the location of the sighting

Given the terrain of the location and how warm BC said it was that day, I don't believe someone in a suit could travel through that area. And the object was far enough of the road, it is unlikely that someone driving down the road would have seen it

I also frequented that area during the 1980's and back then a hoaxer would have waited at least hours and probably days there before someone stopping at that location due to it's remoteness

For these reasons I don't believe that he was hoaxed

Although I did not know BC back then, given that he had his family with him. I don't believe that drugs or alcohol were involved. Nothing in our conversations would indicate to me that this was ever an issue for him

BC has also been steadfast in that fatigue was not a factor as it was mid-day and he was rested

2) My one brother in law who has never met BC had an encounter within 2 kilometers as the crow flies from BC's encounter AND it happened within 2 years of BC's encounter

My BIL is a black and white type of guy that always maintained that only the weak minded believed in ghosts or sasquatch

He and another guy were bear hunting on a beautiful spring day.

They saw the creature walk by the road in front of him according to him he thought "that bear is walking on 2 legs"

When they stopped the truck and went to where they saw the bear, they found tracks

once again to quote him "I thought who would be walking out here bare foot, with feet that big"

Just to be clear his oldest brother is 6 foot 6 inches tall and wears size 16 (sometimes 17) shoes and at the time weighed over 400 pounds and he said the footprints were bigger then his brother's feet

While they were looking at the tracks he heard a noise and saw the "bear walking away on 2 feet"

This is when the penny dropped and he suddenly got very scared and the 2 of them quickly went back to the truck.

I cannot explain away this encounter for similar reasons that I cannot explain away BC's

3) I have met Bob Gimlin a couple of times and my gut feel is he is not lying

I consider Thomas Steenburg a friend of mine and he finds it hard to believe that his friend Bob has been lying to him for over 40 years

I trust Thomas' judgment

I also love going out into the woods and both Cryptozoology and mythology have always fascinated me

I hope that this answers your question

Edited July 28, 2015 by MagniAesir

[MagniAesir]

Excellent point Crow...

No one is actually looking for bigfoot anymore.

It would be hard to get people to spend time/money to go into the forest and sit there and look for real bigfoot evidence... it would be way too boring...%

 

You stated no one is actually looking for bigfoot

 

^ please enlighten me with "the real world".

 

Then you said enlightened me

I stated that you were wrong and gave you three examples of people that are actually looking for bigfoot.

So rather then admitting that you were wrong on this you came back with

 

Well whip out the evidence......

 

Or 

 

Are these people you mentioned just as ineffective as the people who knock on trees and whoop in the dark?

 

Sasquatch Tours, Books and Speaking Engagements are no different than "Finding Bigfoot" (that you appear to mockingly refer to as my knowledge base) as a source of information.

 

There has to be a reason that you, as a non-believer, spend time in the woods looking for something you don't believe exists.  WHY?

 

Your WHY could be because you like hanging out with friends, spending time in the woods or any of wide range of reasons.

 

But It can't be because you think you are going to find a bigfoot as you readily admit that you don't believe they exist.

 

What's your WHY?

 

ps. No Finding Bigfoot for me...... I'm more of a "Mountain Monsters" fan.... at least they seem to have a sense of humor... the Sheepsquatch Episode was the bomb.

If you went to Thomas' website you could hear the thoughts of a long-term well respected researcher that stays away from the crap

As far as my whipping out evidence for you, what makes you think that I would present stuff on this website as evidence of Sasquatch's existence when it hasn't convinced me

While I will not and can not speak for the others as it is not my place

However Thomas has always been forthcoming with his evidence, so if you are truly interested email him

sasquatch@telus.net

[Guest DWA]

I'm not interested in producing anything for Martin.  I am OK with letting people stew in their misery when their stances don't do much for me.  Let him figure it out on his own...not that he's doing such a good job at that, given all he has to do is read.  And, oh yeah, think.

 

I will never understand why any bigfoot skeptic considers any proponent worried about convincing him.  When it's obvious that you don't want to think about this...you don't interest me, except as a rhetorical punching back for instructing budding researchers.

 

Watch Martin come back with something that indicates he thinks I care.

Edited July 28, 2015 by DWA

[WSA]

MagniAesir: It is not up to me to decide in which category you place yourself, but on reading your entire post above I don't see anything there of which you are skeptical.  You might better describe yourself as an "un-accepter." When people you trust bring you those kinds of accounts, and you have ruled out every  other reasonable possibility of an alternative explanation, you have arrived at your answer... you just don't wish to accept what the evidence tells you is all. This is something entirely different from a skeptic.  Don't feel alone though. We've got many here of that kind.   

[Guest WesT]

I can relate because I've been told by people of impeccable character, and that I trust, that the creature in question does exist. His post strikes close to home as it reflects why I decided to have a look for myself.

And I can say from my own experience the inner debate goes on and on. The skeptical side accuses the open minded side of an overactive imagination. The open minded side reviews and reflects upon the evidence seen and documented and says to skeptical side "hello... McFly.... anybody home? The reality of it is unnerving,for some reason, so the inner debate continues.

[Guest DWA]

MagniAesir: It is not up to me to decide in which category you place yourself, but on reading your entire post above I don't see anything there of which you are skeptical.  You might better describe yourself as an "un-accepter." When people you trust bring you those kinds of accounts, and you have ruled out every  other reasonable possibility of an alternative explanation, you have arrived at your answer... you just don't wish to accept what the evidence tells you is all. This is something entirely different from a skeptic.  Don't feel alone though. We've got many here of that kind.   

To me, trust isn't totally it.  Not of individuals, anyway.  Someone told me recently they'd seen a chupacabras.  Well, the evidence to me doesn't add up the way it does for this, so I didn't go all gaga.  She got kinda crestfallen, like "you don't believe me."   It's not about their story being proof for you.  She saw something.  I just don't know enough additional to know what it was she saw.  But that she saw something unusual, it is actually useless to doubt.  The only question is what it was. 

 

A person I trust thinks he may have seen one of these.  Sounds like it.  Someone else, a mountain lion in WV.  Someone else, lion tracks on Mount Rogers in VA.  None of those are proof for me.  But when one adds to it, for just this putative animal, now, the many reports by people I know nothing about...which are consistent on points that generally are only known to primate specialists...and are bolstered by anomalous track finds, not reflecting human feet nor gait, many in places only a fool would leave them but couldn't have been a fool - in fact would have to be a certified genius - to have accomplished the task...which cross-index completely to the animal people are seeing...and then you have a film that could not tie those two threads together more compellingly...and add to that the numerous other signs, wholly consistent with those left by animals we know about...

 

What I trust is what I can do with evidence, thought, and time.  And those have made me a proponent.  I'll always be a skeptic, about pretty much anything.  Don't "believe in" a single thing.  But I know when I see a trout in the milk.

 

I can relate because I've been told by people of impeccable character, and that I trust, that the creature in question does exist. His post strikes close to home as it reflects why I decided to have a look for myself.

And I can say from my own experience the inner debate goes on and on. The skeptical side accuses the open minded side of an overactive imagination. The open minded side reviews and reflects upon the evidence seen and documented and says to skeptical side "hello... McFly.... anybody home? The reality of it is unnerving,for some reason, so the inner debate continues.

 

I'm fortunate that my first look at this was at not quite age 11, already knowing more about animals than most adults, in a mainstream magazine maintaining an open mind...and viewing the creature as an animal, nothing more, nothing less.  There's never been anything to overcome. 

 

Critter.

Edited July 28, 2015 by DWA

[Guest WesT]

I was about 12 or 13 years old when I first saw the PGF. Like yourself I enjoyed learning about animals then, and still do today. I'm not sure why the reality is unsettling to me. It just is.

[MagniAesir]

For me it is the evidence as a whole

As a general rule I have a low opinion of eye witness accounts for various reasons

I myself have never found or seen a sasquatch track although I have seen plenty of casts

My skepticism comes from the lack of a body, fossil evidence or even a repeat of the PGF

So while I cannot explain what they saw, I can only say

If sasquatch exist, then they saw one

If sasquatch doesn't exist, then I have no explanation to what they saw

[Guest DWA]

^{When eyewitness accounts start mattering to me is (1) when there are a lot of them and (2) when they make clear a lot of people are having an experience of something external to them and not copying; being hoaxed; hallucinating; etc.}

 

^{Doing the science in this field absolutely requires a thorough read of the reports.  Nothing about the individuals posting them matters; all that signifies is the information they contain.  All one has to do is ask the question:  what is the likelihood that all this adds up to a false positive?  This is a question one is unable to answer if one does not make a significant study of them.  When one has done that one knows:  this isn't made up; this isn't mistakes and lies.  It's just far too long a shot to bet.}

Blanket statements about eyewitness testimony do not ring true - at all - to anyone who has made a thorough study of sasquatch encounter reports.

[MagniAesir]

And your opinion on this differs from mine

There are many reasons on why eye witnesses report similar observations

Not just that sasquatch is real

While I find it perfectly reasonable that someone could look at the same evidence as I have and reach a different conclusion

You don't seem to share that

[Guest WesT]

It's not that I don't trust my sources. I just like to see for myself instead of taking someone else's word on something. I've always been that way. I can relate to MagniAesir's line of reasoning.

[Guest DWA]

I simply don't think that the conclusion "I don't trust eyewitness testimony" displays sufficient thought about the information that is in the reports... and the simple statistical odds that all of it gets in there when what it is all describing is not, literally, the literal thing that is being described.

Edited July 29, 2015 by DWA

[Guest WesT]

Well that's something I'll let him address. He stated he had his reasons and I'm not going to do someone's elses thinking for them.

[WSA]

Well MagniAesir, it does put you in an unsettled state, but there is a tremendous amount about human tendencies I admit to not understanding.

 

To me, your statement, "If sasquatch exist, then they saw one" is nothing more than a back-bend to avoid coming to terms with: "If I have no reason to conclude they didn't see it, then Sasquatch exist."

 

I wish you all the best, but I think also you've got some things to come to grips with.

[Guest Crowlogic]

Well whip out the evidence......

 

Or 

 

Are these people you mentioned just as ineffective as the people who knock on trees and whoop in the dark?

 

Sasquatch Tours, Books and Speaking Engagements are no different than "Finding Bigfoot" (that you appear to mockingly refer to as my knowledge base) as a source of information.

 

There has to be a reason that you, as a non-believer, spend time in the woods looking for something you don't believe exists.  WHY?

 

Your WHY could be because you like hanging out with friends, spending time in the woods or any of wide range of reasons.

 

But It can't be because you think you are going to find a bigfoot as you readily admit that you don't believe they exist.

 

What's your WHY?

 

ps. No Finding Bigfoot for me...... I'm more of a "Mountain Monsters" fan.... at least they seem to have a sense of humor... the Sheepsquatch Episode was the bomb.

From what I've seen in most of the independent bigfoot channels and videos is that a great many of the people out there whooping in the dark and knocking on tree actually don't have anything better to do.  Many seem to be responding to the pressures of being short on possibilities and opportunities.  Everybody needs something to cling to, something to believe in and bigfoot seems to fill that kind of need for many.