Urban Bigfoot, Seriously?

[Guest]

 LCB, saw the news today about a bear attack in a gated community in Orlando, FL. It appears there is quite a problem there with several bears. Said they were baiting the traps with glazed doughnuts! http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/bear-attack-orlando-mother-narrowly-escapes-21079492

[Guest]

46 years of being outdoors, months of camping in remote areas, none of this has brought me

into contact with the creature.  But moving adjacent to this marsh and becoming aware of them

has brought me a whole lot closer,  I suspect that if I just continue attempting to document the

activity and pay attention I will have an encounter of a more significant variety right here in my

backyard, albeit only 100s of acres large.

 

Enough of my self absorption, somebody else needs to help me

get the Urban topic back to life, I mean the last comment by

Jonathan illustrates the common perception that these creatures

could not go undetected in more populated areas like where I live.

Anyone questioning the population around me need only listen to a few

of my recordings littered with cars and planes, trains, and in the summer

the drone of boats on nearby lakes, all this makes up my area that

I truly believe is home to a small family of Sasquatches.  I suspect from

the vocalizations I heard, a Mother and Juvenile, and a much more

reclusive male.  I think they are here in spurts of several weeks then

gone for several more, have not pinned that down, though the pattern

seems to bring them around at some point during the month.  If this holds

up thru the winter I will be very surprised.

 

Not entirely impossible, though you have to think about it this way:

 

Sasquatch or similar creatures have made an appearance in every major ancient culture and in every Indian tribe in the U.S. + Canada and continue to be seen, with hundreds of reports every year. If real, they are already living under our noses, could they be even closer than previously thought?

 

Only evidence can prove this, though in the bigfoot world evidence doesn't exist, only proof. With the thousands of sightings, videos, photos, and other forms of evidence, this animal should have been accepted as biological fact decades ago.

 

But since it looks like us, no evidence will prove it exists. Only proof will, the proof being a full body. I don't even think a large piece would be enough to convince the most conservative cynics. If they do live in urban areas, although unlikely, I would think we would have found one by now.

 

 

(More on the need for a body: http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.ca/2013/02/sorry-dr-ketchum-dna-wont-do-it-we-need.html)

[Trogluddite]

 LCB, saw the news today about a bear attack in a gated community in Orlando, FL. It appears there is quite a problem there with several bears. Said they were baiting the traps with glazed doughnuts! http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/bear-attack-orlando-mother-narrowly-escapes-21079492

 

Surprised they're not catching more off-duty cops ..... <<rim shot>>

[Lake County Bigfooot]

Jonathan,

 

  Yah being from BC I guess you would not really have a perception of what we out east here are experiencing.  The proximity

of Sasquatch to Urban areas is the norm not the exception,  only look at the BFRO reports around cities like New Jersey, Chicago,

New York, and you'll find plenty of sightings within 50 miles or so.  All it takes is for them to have adequate cover and food and

they will come around, maybe not in any numbers, and maybe not for long, but if the food is there and they can avoid detection they

will run the risk of living right in your backyard.  The marsh I live on is small, but has ample cover and some pretty thick brush that

no one ventures into, so I think the ones I have heard in the area are stopping in for short spurts and then making the rounds.

I cannot speak for what attracts them to an area to start with, or if they are just forced to use areas because of necessity, but there

are Sasquatch moving around these semi-urban, but really slightly rural areas.

[Lake County Bigfooot]

Alright here is a little documentation of just such a report, the line on the google earth image

is 32.8 miles from the heart of New York urban sprawl, observe how quickly the outlying areas become

wooded, this is fairly recent and demonstrates the situation.

Report # 29139 (Class A)

Submitted by witness on Monday, April 18, 2011.

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Afternoon sighting while hiking at Mahlon Dickerson Reservation

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YEAR: 2011

SEASON: Spring

MONTH: April

DATE: 15

STATE: New Jersey

COUNTY: Morris County

LOCATION DETAILS: Mahlon Dickerson Reservation

NEAREST TOWN: Jefferson township

NEAREST ROAD: Weldon Road

OBSERVED: On April 15, 2011 my sons and I were camping at Mahlon Dickerson Reservation near Jefferson Township, NJ. The temperature was approximately 52 degrees and the day was overcast. At around 3 PM the three of us struck out from our campsite directly into the timber. There was no overgrowth and the trees were still bare. This is the reason we didn’t take any of the marked trails in the area. The terrain is very rocky and over the next hour we hiked and climbed. Circling back into the camp area we emerged at the far end and headed toward the road that runs the length of the campsite.

From our position on the road, immediately to our right would be the beginning of a two-way trail. The lower trail heads off and skirts the bottom of the mountain while the upper trail heads up it. As we got to the road I looked over my right shoulder (Why I did this I still do not know. In other words, there was no noise that I heard or any other reason I can think of that made me turn around). There, at the beginning of the upper trail was a tall bulky black figure. It moved from right to left. Its arms were long and swung in large motions as it walked. The head was dome shaped and very close to the shoulders. In fact, it seemed that it would have had to turn its entire body to look in any direction other than straight ahead. It walked out of site rather quickly.

I was completely caught off guard when I saw it. My very first thought was why is this guy walking up the trail wearing black from head to toe? That’s when it hit me that no one would. Sure there are hikers and mountain bikers on the trails but not at this time of year during a work day. In fact, we had spent the previous night here and were the only campers on the grounds. There had been no visitors to the grounds the entire day save one woman who came to walk her small dog. The next thought that ran through my mind was how big it was. It did not appear to be exceptionally tall (not eight feet tall anyway) but the sheer girth of the thing was impressive. It seemed to me that it could have wrestled a bear and easily won.

I have to admit that it took me a few seconds to gather my wits once it had moved out of sight. Once I did I told the boys to stay behind me and we moved up to where I had seen it. Once we reached the area I looked to the right where I had first seen it come into view and got another small surprise. I had thought it was walking along the upper trail when I first spotted it. However, that trail began where I had first seen it. The direction it came from was an off trail wooded area. We did follow the trail for about ten minutes but I decided to abandon it and head back to camp when the kids got spooked. On the way back I had my 12 year old, 155lbs, 5’6†son stand at the top of the trail where I had first seen the thing while I went back to my original spot where I first saw it. Whatever I saw that day was an easy 12†taller and three times bigger around than my son.

Those are the facts. Now, I have to add that my impression of this thing was one of curiosity. I had been having a feeling, not an overwhelming feeling but a feeling none the less, that as we hiked off trail that day we were being watched. I never felt threatened or perceived any danger or I certainly would have moved my boys right out of there. It seems to me that it had been watching us and once we had left its area and gotten back to ours it was more than happy to move on its way.

ALSO NOTICED: see

OTHER WITNESSES: My sons were with me

OTHER STORIES: Scattered reports but nothing substantial that I know of.

TIME AND CONDITIONS: approximately 4pm

ENVIRONMENT: Approximately 52 degrees, overcast

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Follow-up investigation report by BFRO Investigator Mike Aragona:

I met with the witness and his wife on March 10th 2012 at the location of the sighting. Both were very credible and I found no reason for them to be making this up. The wife did not see the Sasquatch as she stayed back at camp. She said she believed her husband because he does not scare easily and his face was white when he came back into camp to tell her of the encounter. It is important to note they were camping at the location the night before and were cooking on an open fire ring. Also during the day of the sighting the wife pointed out that the two boys were breaking fallen tree limbs against the trunks of trees and having play sword fights. The Sasquatch most likely was drawn in by the scents of food being cooked and the wood knocking the boys made during play, then followed the witness and his boys during their hike, emerging onto the trail as the witness and the boys made it to the parking area. We hiked the trail where the witness had seen the Sasquatch. On the way back I had the witness take photos of me using my hands for scale as a comparison to the Sasquatch.

[Guest]

Jonathan,

 

  Yah being from BC I guess you would not really have a perception of what we out east here are experiencing.  The proximity

of Sasquatch to Urban areas is the norm not the exception,  only look at the BFRO reports around cities like New Jersey, Chicago,

New York, and you'll find plenty of sightings within 50 miles or so.  All it takes is for them to have adequate cover and food and

they will come around, maybe not in any numbers, and maybe not for long, but if the food is there and they can avoid detection they

will run the risk of living right in your backyard.  The marsh I live on is small, but has ample cover and some pretty thick brush that

no one ventures into, so I think the ones I have heard in the area are stopping in for short spurts and then making the rounds.

I cannot speak for what attracts them to an area to start with, or if they are just forced to use areas because of necessity, but there

are Sasquatch moving around these semi-urban, but really slightly rural areas.

 

More reports (doesn't necessarily mean they are real) in urban areas is nothing surprising, you need humans in order for there to be a sighting. 

 

From my experience, sasquatch inhabit the deep reaches of the Pacific Northwest.

 

I can't speak for urban areas or even areas outside of the PNW in general, but from what I've gathered the places you're most likely to see sasquatch are British Columbia and Washington state.

Alright here is a little documentation of just such a report, the line on the google earth image

is 32.8 miles from the heart of New York urban sprawl, observe how quickly the outlying areas become

wooded, this is fairly recent and demonstrates the situation.

Report # 29139 (Class A)

Submitted by witness on Monday, April 18, 2011.

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Afternoon sighting while hiking at Mahlon Dickerson Reservation

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

(Show Printer-friendly Version)

YEAR: 2011

SEASON: Spring

MONTH: April

DATE: 15

STATE: New Jersey

COUNTY: Morris County

LOCATION DETAILS: Mahlon Dickerson Reservation

NEAREST TOWN: Jefferson township

NEAREST ROAD: Weldon Road

OBSERVED: On April 15, 2011 my sons and I were camping at Mahlon Dickerson Reservation near Jefferson Township, NJ. The temperature was approximately 52 degrees and the day was overcast. At around 3 PM the three of us struck out from our campsite directly into the timber. There was no overgrowth and the trees were still bare. This is the reason we didn’t take any of the marked trails in the area. The terrain is very rocky and over the next hour we hiked and climbed. Circling back into the camp area we emerged at the far end and headed toward the road that runs the length of the campsite.

From our position on the road, immediately to our right would be the beginning of a two-way trail. The lower trail heads off and skirts the bottom of the mountain while the upper trail heads up it. As we got to the road I looked over my right shoulder (Why I did this I still do not know. In other words, there was no noise that I heard or any other reason I can think of that made me turn around). There, at the beginning of the upper trail was a tall bulky black figure. It moved from right to left. Its arms were long and swung in large motions as it walked. The head was dome shaped and very close to the shoulders. In fact, it seemed that it would have had to turn its entire body to look in any direction other than straight ahead. It walked out of site rather quickly.

I was completely caught off guard when I saw it. My very first thought was why is this guy walking up the trail wearing black from head to toe? That’s when it hit me that no one would. Sure there are hikers and mountain bikers on the trails but not at this time of year during a work day. In fact, we had spent the previous night here and were the only campers on the grounds. There had been no visitors to the grounds the entire day save one woman who came to walk her small dog. The next thought that ran through my mind was how big it was. It did not appear to be exceptionally tall (not eight feet tall anyway) but the sheer girth of the thing was impressive. It seemed to me that it could have wrestled a bear and easily won.

I have to admit that it took me a few seconds to gather my wits once it had moved out of sight. Once I did I told the boys to stay behind me and we moved up to where I had seen it. Once we reached the area I looked to the right where I had first seen it come into view and got another small surprise. I had thought it was walking along the upper trail when I first spotted it. However, that trail began where I had first seen it. The direction it came from was an off trail wooded area. We did follow the trail for about ten minutes but I decided to abandon it and head back to camp when the kids got spooked. On the way back I had my 12 year old, 155lbs, 5’6†son stand at the top of the trail where I had first seen the thing while I went back to my original spot where I first saw it. Whatever I saw that day was an easy 12†taller and three times bigger around than my son.

Those are the facts. Now, I have to add that my impression of this thing was one of curiosity. I had been having a feeling, not an overwhelming feeling but a feeling none the less, that as we hiked off trail that day we were being watched. I never felt threatened or perceived any danger or I certainly would have moved my boys right out of there. It seems to me that it had been watching us and once we had left its area and gotten back to ours it was more than happy to move on its way.

ALSO NOTICED: see

OTHER WITNESSES: My sons were with me

OTHER STORIES: Scattered reports but nothing substantial that I know of.

TIME AND CONDITIONS: approximately 4pm

ENVIRONMENT: Approximately 52 degrees, overcast

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Follow-up investigation report by BFRO Investigator Mike Aragona:

I met with the witness and his wife on March 10th 2012 at the location of the sighting. Both were very credible and I found no reason for them to be making this up. The wife did not see the Sasquatch as she stayed back at camp. She said she believed her husband because he does not scare easily and his face was white when he came back into camp to tell her of the encounter. It is important to note they were camping at the location the night before and were cooking on an open fire ring. Also during the day of the sighting the wife pointed out that the two boys were breaking fallen tree limbs against the trunks of trees and having play sword fights. The Sasquatch most likely was drawn in by the scents of food being cooked and the wood knocking the boys made during play, then followed the witness and his boys during their hike, emerging onto the trail as the witness and the boys made it to the parking area. We hiked the trail where the witness had seen the Sasquatch. On the way back I had the witness take photos of me using my hands for scale as a comparison to the Sasquatch.

 

 

They could have very well seen something.

 

The question is, was whatever they saw at a permanent dwelling or simply passing by? Indeed it would be difficult to accept such claims of an urban sasquatch, however an Indian reservation is not entirely out of the question (and sightings are actually quite common).

Edited December 4, 2013 by Jonathan Poulsen

[chelefoot]

From my experience, sasquatch inhabit the deep reaches of the Pacific Northwest.

I'd love to hear about your experience.

[Lake County Bigfooot]

Unquestionably the area to be is the Pacific Northwest, and I do believe they would exist in

greater numbers is such areas, but not only out west, perhaps in a place like Ontario, or

even the Everglades. I realize that the historical perspective has been somewhat

skewed to the west, including tribes that reported their presence, non the less native americans

across the whole of the North American continent reported their existence. To list them

would be numerous and redundant, albeit enlightening, so we can agree that your specific region

is ideal, but all that I am pointing out here is that very credible sightings occur in some

fairly unlikely areas, which in and of itself does not discredit them.

[Incorrigible1]

Don't forget the teaming numbers lying prone on the plains of Nebraska.

[Rockape]

^What does the Cornhuskers football team have to do with this?

Edited December 6, 2013 by Rockape

[Lake County Bigfooot]

 Yes Nebraska too my dear friend, you guys are not exempt,
as I pondered once again when Finding Bigfoot was in South
Dakota, the re-run, I again thought about all those draws
that held trees and water that were scattered about Nebraska.
That my incorrigible one is the answer. They can hop, skip,
and jump, there way right to your own state. Go out there
and give a try, you might be surprised. I suggest 30 miles north
and about 20 miles west of North Platte 

Edited December 6, 2013 by Lake County Bigfooot

[Branco]

Good one Rockape!

[Incorrigible1]

Been there, done that. Haven't merely visited, but lived within the great state pushing six decades.

 

 

Wants, hopes, wishes aside, I hope your Illinois marsh holds more promise than the entire gigantic state of Nebraska. Aside from about thirty miles west of the eastern, Missouri river boundary, the habitat simply isn't suitable, unless the 'squatch is making its way across country by darkness.

 

 

Edit: Learn more each day, didn't know Branco was a CFB fan.

Edited December 6, 2013 by Incorrigible1

[Lake County Bigfooot]

This image shows what I think provides habitat in the plains of Nebraska,  I know it is sparse, and

due to this I do think any Sasquatch would be passing through, but sightings near Valentine and Dawes

lead me to hold out some possibility, and my imaginary wood knocks if you will allow. Image is north

and west of North Platte.  Imagine how concentrated food would be in these Oasis, I can see these

Sheiks of the Plaines doing quite nicely for a time.....OK it's a fanciful notion at best... but I am a nature

finds a way kind of thinker.

Edited December 6, 2013 by Lake County Bigfooot

[Branco]

Bigfoot don't get any more urban than this bunch!

 

Got calls and e-mails with photos today from a family that live in a fast growing small city in the central part of AR. Their property (house and lot) is across the street from a dense creek bottom that heads further into the city, but with a large undeveloped area adjoining it. The creek bottoms connects with a large expanse of woodlands to the south with large creeks emptying into the Saline River.

 

The folks have seen and heard BF in the woods and along the woods, in their neighbor's yard and heard them hit the side of their house while growling. Long, documented history. I began working with them last fall. It took a few weeks to confirm there were BF coming up the creek bottoms and returning to the woodlands. (Can't disclose any more info about the case, but the family OK'ed me publishing the incident below.)

 

Last night the temperature was in the 40's here. The folks have a well maintained in-ground swimming pool which has concrete sidewalks around the edges with concrete steps into the pool. The pool area is completely surrounded by a 6' foot board fence. About 1;30 this morning one of the family went out a sliding glass patio door that faces the pool. Seeing large spots of water on the sidewalks around the pool, the man and wife checked the situation.

 

Something had entered the enclosed area and apparently walked a step or two into the pool, turned and stepped back up onto the walkway beside the steps leaving a path of water for a few feet. A few feet further, the water was just droplets but there was a line of human-like footprints, then the tracks turned toward the pool and show that the "track-maker" stopped, shifted its feet and left a ring of water droplets at that spot. When "it" began walking again only the line of wet foot prints could be seen as it walked around one end of the pool and left the concrete headed toward a corner of the fence at a point where it connected to another resident's fence.

 

They immediately took MANY photos to show what has been described above. The family now have night vision security cameras with audio around the home. Will  go back over there when the predicted ice. sleet and snow storm is over and done with. 

 

Bart: Yes, it the same folks.

Edited December 6, 2013 by Branco