Scenario...what Would You Do, If You Have Discovered A Body?

[Guest Cervelo]

BadVooDoo said

"After you get your evidence, you basically get media involved. Then, some sarcastic shove it feast and invite the biggest skeptics, hosted by you? Is this your final answer?"

Well the sarcastic shove is at myself LOL!

I've always said I'll gladly eat crow if biggie is proven to be real.

I'd invite Mulder, Sweaty Yeti, Sassy, you ect and a whole host of skeptics as well and I'll gladly be the roasted one

Yes I would get media involved.... most certainly not the current crop of clown experts, researchers ect. this would keep the possibility of any mysterious disappearance of any evidence.

The lawyer who is a good friend would protect my best interest as well as handle the truly scientific presentation of this discovery and its profitability.

I don't hike, fish or hunt for profit but why look a gift horse in the mouth?

So anything else you'd like to know?

Edited September 11, 2013 by Cervelo

[Guest]

BadVooDoo said

"After you get your evidence, you basically get media involved. Then, some sarcastic shove it feast and invite the biggest skeptics, hosted by you? Is this your final answer?"

Well the sarcastic shove is at myself LOL!

I've always said I'll gladly eat crow if biggie is proven to be real.

I'd invite Mulder, Sweaty Yeti, Sassy, you ect and a whole host of skeptics as well and I'll gladly be the roasted one

Yes I would get media involved.... most certainly not the current crop of clown experts, researchers ect. this would keep the possibility of any mysterious disappearance of any evidence.

The lawyer who is a good friend would protect my best interest as well as handle the truly scientific presentation of this discovery and its profitability.

I don't hike, fish or hunt for profit but why look a gift horse in the mouth?

So anything else you'd like to know?

Thanks Cervelo, I wanted to ensure i get an answer related to the scenario. 

Scenario #1

 

Well.... I won't make you wait any longer. If I came across a Body... & by myself....Unless it was somewhat decomposed ... I wouldn't go near it... assuming it might still be alive. I would probably make a lil noise to see if it responds.... Then I would throw whatever I could find in its general direction. Then Probably throw something directly at it... "followed by Running as fast as I could in the opposite direction" A head start ... In case It's alive & PO'd.   When Confirmed  dead... I would probably pull out my Iphone/Ipad & start taking pictures... maybe even a few photo ops. Then ... Assuming I have a reception/sig where ever I am... I would start Tweeting Pics to good ole MM. Probably a few others.. But Not the media, I h8 the media.... High bidder gets the Coordinates. In no way ... Would I try to extract the body by myself. If I had no reception... I would probably do whatever I could to cover/Hide it... save the cord to GPS & Comeback later.

 

Scenario #2 If I were with company... I would probably act allot Tougher. "No Running in this Scenario" Everything the same... Unless The party Member/Members want do negotiate a different method. Split the fame.

Thank you for giving honest answers. Would you take any physical evidence.. i.e hair, skin? But I also like to add, you have given a new response to later discovery. 

[WSA]

If you did decide to take anything, a tooth would be the best...portable, compact, DNA in the tissue....a great little package that would give a wealth of information to a zoologist or anthropologist. 

[Guest]

Thanks Cervelo, I wanted to ensure i get an answer related to the scenario. 

Thank you for giving honest answers. Would you take any physical evidence.. i.e hair, skin? But I also like to add, you have given a new response to later discovery. 

No Samples.... 

[Guest Rex]

The Federal Land / National Park is generalized to mean, any country that has a federal land / National Park. Not just the US has parks or land protected by governments. The point in the scenario is placing you on non-private land under some federal / government laws and keeping this as generic as possible. If the scenario mentioned no firearms allowed, then none are allowed on the land in the scenario. 

 

The cell-phone tower is once again a generic statement, giving the scenario a sense of distance between you and civilization. Trapped on an island.

 

The moral, legal and ethics are being tested and questioned on how you, given this exact scenario would prove the existence. 

 

Lets face it, someone will end up in a situation like this and I want to get some more info on how most BF hunters would or would not do to get evidence. 

 

If we can keep this scenario in the generic, it will be exciting to see some answers. 

 

 

Real simple..  i carry a firearm everywhere.. yes even there, concealed is concealed.

 

I'd most likely take the head.. stuff it in the cooler, ice it down until i could freeze it later.

 

As for the gate being closed.. ever heard of a crowbar?

 

not much worried about the rest of it.

[Guest Stan Norton]

There may be an interesting real life example of this type of scenario with the recent rediscovery of the Night parrot in Queensland. Interesting reactions to the news and how the news was disseminated.

[Guest]

You had me up until this part

 

 you can hear whoops and screams and they are coming closer.

 

I take a picture and I bail.

[Sunflower]

If I heard family in the vicinity, I wouldn't try to get away. I'd sit down, clear my mind of even the hint of a thought of taking pictures or body parts, & muster up as much extra grief as possible to go with whatever genuine grief I might have.

 

Then we'd see what happened.

 

Hopefully, they'd just throw rocks & let me leave with my life.

 

We think alike as that was part of my answer when I read this today.  I would add this and only because I've seen pictures of rock stacks and it seems to be a message (the one in the middle of the river is my favorite rock stack pic).  I would stack the rocks on the body and hopefully they would get the message that I mean no harm and quite possibly that is part of how they communicate.  This might show respect for the deceased and a form of burial, I would hope. 

 

And then I'd leave .........

Edited September 11, 2013 by Sunflower

[Airdale]

If I had ammo for my 9mm that would anchor a 700 to 900 lb. primate with a through-and-through chest shot at 300 yards, I would not fear any North American land animal, real or postulated, and since your scenario does not limit the number of rounds there would be plenty available. Like Rex, I'm always armed unless entering a facility with physical security checks, i.e. magnetometers, scanners, etc. (I live in the foothills of Montana's Elkhorn Mountains and have seen a cougar within 80 feet of my front door).

 

Though you don't specify a date, with winter coming on, a time of 1600 and no flashlight allowed (I always carry an adjustable beam Coast Lenser 120 lumen tac light), light would be the limiting factor. Photos and video would be first, using the Camera + and Filmic Pro apps on my iPhone 4s, as well as shots using the Theodolite app which would include azimuth/bearing, horizon angle and elevation angle, though the altitude and position would not work absent cell service. I would include something from the gear I was cleaning in the photos and video to establish size. For physical evidence I would sever fingers/thumb and a patch of hide with hair attached. If part of my gear included something that would serve to wrap the samples to avoid contamination, I would utilize it (I actually keep a dozen or so nitrile exam gloves in my go-bag). Otherwise, I'd secure my samples with the best available packaging and, with uber 9mm in hand and senses on full alert return to my vehicle. Just because I have the equivalent of a Star Trek Phaser doesn't mean I would stick around in failing light with the approach of multiple creatures that are physically imposing and likely have better night vision than I.

 

The samples would go in the cooler, and if there was time I'd toss other items into the truck and head out. While I would likely feel some remorse, that would come later. I'd feel bad if I accidentally killed a deer. With 62 years under my belt including 4 in the military in wartime, I have been in enough iffy situations to know that I focus on business when required to ensure I'll have time for touchy/feely afterwards. Not hard hearted, just a very powerful survival instinct. Heck, my family kids me when my eyes leak during an emotional movie scene.

 

My first contacts when cell service was available would be two of my fellow volunteers at the Montana Military Museum. They are fellow Vietnam vets, accomplished hunters/outdoorsmen, familiar with my interest in bf and one is also my neighbor, to watch my six and provide input. My home is just over 300 miles from Pocatello via I15, so I would next attempt contact with Dr. Meldrum and if he was available that would be the next destination.If Dr. Meldrum is beyond contact, there are some acquaintances at Montana State University and The Museum of the Rockies in Bozeman that I would be comfortable dealing with.

 

Having grown up in Helena, the State Capital and worked in a field that put me in contact with government agencies at every level, I have a number of friends whom I trust, up to and including an associate justice of the State Supreme Court who was a customer of mine in private practice and whose daughter went to school with my daughter. I also have friends in law enforcement including a neighbor, also the coroner in an adjacent county who is former LE and a friend for 30 odd years. 

 

As far as media, only if anonymity were guaranteed. I'm financially comfortable, and the only route to money in this is accompanied by fame, and it is highly overrated. Privacy, such as there is of it these days, is priceless. Hope that covers the bases.

[norseman]

I had to edit the post, but it appears I cannot due to permissions. So I am re-posting this..

 

We all hear the stories, tales and some questionable evidence. I wanted to get a topic started to see how you would handle a situation. I will lay out the scenario, let us know your steps to show the world or not.  Keeping the evidence is optional, but as we know getting evidence, taking evidence and storing is tricky. 

 

Scenario.

 

You are roughly 200 miles from any telephone and no cell service for 175 miles, in a mountain range of your choice with your small pickup-truck, not a full sized. You have been camping for a few days alone on Federal Land or a National Park and a winter storm is approaching with chance of snow or sleet. You were target shooting towards a small river / stream 300 yards away on the first day. The Park closes tomorrow for the winter season and no access will be available until March. On the fourth and last day you begin to clean your gear and pack. You walk down to the small creek / river about 300 yards away since your truck cannot access the stream / river. Once there you can see how low the water line is and then you begin to smell something. Taking a look around you see an arm or a leg and after further investigation it appears to be a dead Sasquatch with a small caliber gunshot to the chest, with an exit wound. You examine the area and see the body is below the water line and with a storm incoming the body might become washed away. In your opinion, the weight is roughly 700-900 lbs and about 8.5 feet tall, female body and appears to be pregnant. During this shocking discovery, you can hear whoops and screams and they are coming closer!

 

Inventory..

1. Digital Camera / Cell phone no service. 

2. Tent

3. sleeping bag

4. reading material

5. Cell phone, no service.

6. 10 foot nylon rope

7. 3 gallons of water

8. Ice chest with food.

9. Backpack with clothes and shoes.

10. Guitar in the case

11. Small pocket knife

12. 9 mm Pistol

13. Poncho / wet weather gear

 

Weather: storm clouds. Wind- 20-35 variable mph. Temperature: 45 F, Humidity 60%

Time of discovery: 4 PM.

 

Some legal, moral and ethical issues are on your mind; No firearms are allowed on Federal Land, a dead female pregnant Sasquatch with a small caliber bullet hole to the chest. None of your friends have a large enough vehicle to transport. If you manged to transport the body, how / what process would you use to store it and where? What media if any would you contact? If you contacted or found a Park Ranger, suspicions would be raised since you have a gun and a dead body. The chances are, it was a stray bullet from your weapon that killed the Sasquatch.

 

Using this scenario, outline some steps you would take to prove the existence. Remember, science wants a body.

 

First of all we have to clear the air. Firearms ARE your constitutional right, and are allowed on all Federal lands including National Parks.

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/35484383/ns/us_news-life/t/new-law-allows-loaded-guns-national-parks/

 

Ok, on to the scenario.

 

My pistol is at the ready and my head is on a swivel..........I'm going to move quickly.

 

I'm going to take the pocket knife and cut the head off, I can easily slice through the muscles in the neck, the windpipe and even the discs between the vertebrae. Next I'm going to throw the food out of the ice chest, and pack the head in the ice chest. I'm going to take the ice chest and put it in the cab of the truck. And I'm going to fly off the mountain.

 

Once I have the head safely hidden away in a chest freezer somewhere, I would start taking a few tissue samples and sending them off to labs for results. I would also contact Jeff Meldrum and give him the long/lat coords (no gps unit with me, but I can draw a map to get back there) to the best of my ability to see if he could claim the rest of the body in the name of science if anything was still there.

 

Once the DNA samples came back as positive, I would contact the press and make the announcement.

[BobbyO]

 

Ok, on to the scenario.

 

My pistol is at the ready and my head is on a swivel..........I'm going to move quickly.

 

You haven't gone in there on your own Norse have you ?

 

One is none and two is one remember ( or words to that effect )..

I have no idea what i'd do in that scenario.

 

Don't know how i'd feel about chopping up one of these things, it's not a Deer after all, it's a hairy man thing and all this talk of cutting it's head off etc...............Not sure if i'd be too happy about that.

 

Plus i'd be majorly paranoid of others in the vicinity, especially if i was on my own.

 

I think if the truth be known, no one can answer this question truthfully unless the situation actually presented itself as people react very differently to how they think they will behaviour when the pressure's on, i know that from experience of bad situations.

 

If i could get a finger and out of that Forest safe, i'd be ecstatic.

[Guest]

Real simple..  i carry a firearm everywhere.. yes even there, concealed is concealed.

 

I'd most likely take the head.. stuff it in the cooler, ice it down until i could freeze it later.

 

As for the gate being closed.. ever heard of a crowbar?

 

not much worried about the rest of it.

 

Rex, thanks for the reply. I wanted to re-enfornce the scenario and mention, even though you can get in with a crow bar, horse, the point of the scenario is to state there is no access at all to give the impression this is a one time chance, unless they wait for spring. Same with the weapon, if the scenario implies no firearms allowed, that also should be taken as fact. Regardless of the laws here, this is added and implied a generic location / country / state etc.. So I can take into account for places around the world and furthermore add complexity and legal implications. 

 

Would you contact the media or publicize the findings? If so, what would be your process if you were to publish? Thanks again Rex.

You haven't gone in there on your own Norse have you ?

 

One is none and two is one remember ( or words to that effect )..

I have no idea what i'd do in that scenario.

 

Don't know how i'd feel about chopping up one of these things, it's not a Deer after all, it's a hairy man thing and all this talk of cutting it's head off etc...............Not sure if i'd be too happy about that.

 

Plus i'd be majorly paranoid of others in the vicinity, especially if i was on my own.

 

I think if the truth be known, no one can answer this question truthfully unless the situation actually presented itself as people react very differently to how they think they will behaviour when the pressure's on, i know that from experience of bad situations.

 

If i could get a finger and out of that Forest safe, i'd be ecstatic.

Thank you BobbyO, you answered most of the questions. The scenario is designed to give someone one chance to get what science wants. Your answer was "i do not know". this is a valid answer and as you mentioned everyone is different and reacts differently. But lets us take form the point of you taking a digit from the corpse in your last comment. Once you have it, how are you storing it and in what are you storing it? Also, would you publish any findings, if so to what parties? 

First of all we have to clear the air. Firearms ARE your constitutional right, and are allowed on all Federal lands including National Parks.

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/35484383/ns/us_news-life/t/new-law-allows-loaded-guns-national-parks/

 

Ok, on to the scenario.

 

My pistol is at the ready and my head is on a swivel..........I'm going to move quickly.

 

I'm going to take the pocket knife and cut the head off, I can easily slice through the muscles in the neck, the windpipe and even the discs between the vertebrae. Next I'm going to throw the food out of the ice chest, and pack the head in the ice chest. I'm going to take the ice chest and put it in the cab of the truck. And I'm going to fly off the mountain.

 

Once I have the head safely hidden away in a chest freezer somewhere, I would start taking a few tissue samples and sending them off to labs for results. I would also contact Jeff Meldrum and give him the long/lat coords (no gps unit with me, but I can draw a map to get back there) to the best of my ability to see if he could claim the rest of the body in the name of science if anything was still there.

 

Once the DNA samples came back as positive, I would contact the press and make the announcement.

Norseman, thanks for the reply. I wanted to once again reply to the firearms and legality. The scenario is generic and can be for any country, state, government etc... Despite the laws in the US and your fact finding. If the scenario states they are illegal, then they are illegal. Your reply maybe for another post or response, but I wanted to ensure those reading this may finally understand after stating this multiple times. 

 

OK, you have the evidence. You fly off the mountain, and something nobody else wanted to do and this is to draw a map to the location. Any pictures or video while there, centerfolds shots, hey look "type" of pictures? Thanks again for responding. 

If you did decide to take anything, a tooth would be the best...portable, compact, DNA in the tissue....a great little package that would give a wealth of information to a zoologist or anthropologist. 

Thank you, another new part of the body for evidence. 

If I had ammo for my 9mm that would anchor a 700 to 900 lb. primate with a through-and-through chest shot at 300 yards, I would not fear any North American land animal, real or postulated, and since your scenario does not limit the number of rounds there would be plenty available. Like Rex, I'm always armed unless entering a facility with physical security checks, i.e. magnetometers, scanners, etc. (I live in the foothills of Montana's Elkhorn Mountains and have seen a cougar within 80 feet of my front door).

 

Though you don't specify a date, with winter coming on, a time of 1600 and no flashlight allowed (I always carry an adjustable beam Coast Lenser 120 lumen tac light), light would be the limiting factor. Photos and video would be first, using the Camera + and Filmic Pro apps on my iPhone 4s, as well as shots using the Theodolite app which would include azimuth/bearing, horizon angle and elevation angle, though the altitude and position would not work absent cell service. I would include something from the gear I was cleaning in the photos and video to establish size. For physical evidence I would sever fingers/thumb and a patch of hide with hair attached. If part of my gear included something that would serve to wrap the samples to avoid contamination, I would utilize it (I actually keep a dozen or so nitrile exam gloves in my go-bag). Otherwise, I'd secure my samples with the best available packaging and, with uber 9mm in hand and senses on full alert return to my vehicle. Just because I have the equivalent of a Star Trek Phaser doesn't mean I would stick around in failing light with the approach of multiple creatures that are physically imposing and likely have better night vision than I.

 

The samples would go in the cooler, and if there was time I'd toss other items into the truck and head out. While I would likely feel some remorse, that would come later. I'd feel bad if I accidentally killed a deer. With 62 years under my belt including 4 in the military in wartime, I have been in enough iffy situations to know that I focus on business when required to ensure I'll have time for touchy/feely afterwards. Not hard hearted, just a very powerful survival instinct. Heck, my family kids me when my eyes leak during an emotional movie scene.

 

My first contacts when cell service was available would be two of my fellow volunteers at the Montana Military Museum. They are fellow Vietnam vets, accomplished hunters/outdoorsmen, familiar with my interest in bf and one is also my neighbor, to watch my six and provide input. My home is just over 300 miles from Pocatello via I15, so I would next attempt contact with Dr. Meldrum and if he was available that would be the next destination.If Dr. Meldrum is beyond contact, there are some acquaintances at Montana State University and The Museum of the Rockies in Bozeman that I would be comfortable dealing with.

 

Having grown up in Helena, the State Capital and worked in a field that put me in contact with government agencies at every level, I have a number of friends whom I trust, up to and including an associate justice of the State Supreme Court who was a customer of mine in private practice and whose daughter went to school with my daughter. I also have friends in law enforcement including a neighbor, also the coroner in an adjacent county who is former LE and a friend for 30 odd years. 

 

As far as media, only if anonymity were guaranteed. I'm financially comfortable, and the only route to money in this is accompanied by fame, and it is highly overrated. Privacy, such as there is of it these days, is priceless. Hope that covers the bases.

Thanks Airdale, correct no flashlight. The scenario is limiting the person in many areas for a reason.  You also added a new evidence piece, a patch of hair, others just have hair, am I to assume dermis and a piece around 3 inches?    I would need to write this down as contacting Govt / State / Fed authorities. Also, I would need to write as, you would contact academia. The media outlet is a generic group and anonymity is not something covered. 

BadVooDoo said

"After you get your evidence, you basically get media involved. Then, some sarcastic shove it feast and invite the biggest skeptics, hosted by you? Is this your final answer?"

Well the sarcastic shove is at myself LOL!

I've always said I'll gladly eat crow if biggie is proven to be real.

I'd invite Mulder, Sweaty Yeti, Sassy, you ect and a whole host of skeptics as well and I'll gladly be the roasted one

Yes I would get media involved.... most certainly not the current crop of clown experts, researchers ect. this would keep the possibility of any mysterious disappearance of any evidence.

The lawyer who is a good friend would protect my best interest as well as handle the truly scientific presentation of this discovery and its profitability.

I don't hike, fish or hunt for profit but why look a gift horse in the mouth?

So anything else you'd like to know?

Thanks Cerevlo, I will be posting a second followup Scenario to further get more information.

[norseman]

You haven't gone in there on your own Norse have you ?

 

One is none and two is one remember ( or words to that effect )..

I have no idea what i'd do in that scenario.

 

Don't know how i'd feel about chopping up one of these things, it's not a Deer after all, it's a hairy man thing and all this talk of cutting it's head off etc...............Not sure if i'd be too happy about that.

 

Plus i'd be majorly paranoid of others in the vicinity, especially if i was on my own.

 

I think if the truth be known, no one can answer this question truthfully unless the situation actually presented itself as people react very differently to how they think they will behaviour when the pressure's on, i know that from experience of bad situations.

 

If i could get a finger and out of that Forest safe, i'd be ecstatic.

 

I would certainly want to put an OP together that DID NOT leave a team member in a situation like this. There have been more than a few hunters meet their demise, while field dressing their game. 

 

 

Norseman, thanks for the reply. I wanted to once again reply to the firearms and legality. The scenario is generic and can be for any country, state, government etc... Despite the laws in the US and your fact finding. If the scenario states they are illegal, then they are illegal. Your reply maybe for another post or response, but I wanted to ensure those reading this may finally understand after stating this multiple times. 

 

OK, you have the evidence. You fly off the mountain, and something nobody else wanted to do and this is to draw a map to the location. Any pictures or video while there, centerfolds shots, hey look "type" of pictures? Thanks again for responding. 

 

 

I gonna come clean, I didn't read through the whole entire thread, thanks for your patience........

 

No........no pictures, pictures are worthless. Get the evidence and get out. Especially if Bigfoot Army is descending like a kicked hornet's nest. The time taking those "centerfolds" could be the difference between failure and success, and possibly getting your arms ripped off and beaten to death with them.

 

Oh as for the "illegal" pistol scenario? I'll gladly go to court and take my lumps, if I have a Squatch head in the freezer or even if it's confiscated and studied by science? SUCCESS.

 

It's not about me or you or anybody else........it's about proof of the species.

Edited September 12, 2013 by norseman

[Airdale]

I envisioned a piece of skin with hair of roughly the size, 3 inches, that you specify. I would initially contact only government/LE officials I have a longstanding personal relationship with and fully trust. If it is generic authorities you would have to register me as a "no" to that. I have fewer contacts in academia, so I would limit it to those known by reputation, such as Dr. Meldrum or Jack Horner at Museum of the Rockies or another referred to me by someone I have a personal relationship with. If not within those parameters then again, "no". With media, the same.

 

In reviewing your scenario, I do not see any constraints listed regarding who we may contact or under what conditions. My understanding is that you want to know what we, as individuals, with our own life experiences, outlooks and understanding would do within the limitations of equipment, access, weather and time conditions you propose. That is what I attempted to do. 

 

The guitar case would likely be left behind, empty. With my lack of musical abilities, the only thing I can "play" is some kind of electronic device that reproduces music at the touch of a button, thus the guitar would have been useful only as expensive firewood. I did find the comment on using the guitar strings as a garrote to decapitate the beastie innovative; are they actually strong enough for that kind of duty? 

[Guest]

 

The guitar case would likely be left behind, empty. With my lack of musical abilities, the only thing I can "play" is some kind of electronic device that reproduces music at the touch of a button, thus the guitar would have been useful only as expensive firewood. I did find the comment on using the guitar strings as a garrote to decapitate the beastie innovative; are they actually strong enough for that kind of duty? 

 

Thanks for the answer once again. The guitar was not chosen for any specific purpose, only some things to keep them occupied. I started to laugh when you responded about "one touch" of a button music... The guitar strings could garrote, but, not a human head or larger animal and they are not strong like a piano string. I break them all the time and really depends upon the string thickness and if they are nickel wound or steel only. One would need to devise some kind of handles on them for leverage and manipulation, some pieces of wood wrapped around each end, more for choking. It was a brilliant answer if they needed to use the guitar strings. 

 

The contact portion was left open as many including yourself have different kinds of contacts. As this was not intentionally designed, but the outcomes are seemingly better left open ended for the media / science.

 

Oh as for the "illegal" pistol scenario? I'll gladly go to court and take my lumps, if I have a Squatch head in the freezer or even if it's confiscated and studied by science? SUCCESS.

 

It's not about me or you or anybody else........it's about proof of the species.

Exceptional answer for the illegal firearm. I can add this to the list as a new answer. Some have said they would come clean to the law and participation. But nothing about the firearm.

Edited September 12, 2013 by BadVooDoo