Guest Coonbo Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Please read the whole report. A few minutes later, the subjects saw their bigfoot while driving up the forested driveway. The noise was coming from BFs, and it must have been much louder than any owl. A BFs volume is tremendous. We don't need to assume bigfoot is fully human as implied, but much closer to a human than chimp. Are chimps tricksters? After reading many reports this 'trickster' or passive aggressive humor comes through at times. Maybe the term joke is not the correct word. Maybe an implied threat in a joking manner is closer. During this encounter, the bigfoots are bugging the humans by being loud and obnoxious. Instead of infrasound, this was a new tactic of extreme sound to disable, bug, and confuse the humans. Another example, my friend was camping out with his family in a remote area, and during the night a bigfoot came up and rubbed his face all over with both hands, then was heard crashing off through the brush. This behavior says, "ha.... ha.... I'm one step ahead of you........leave or I'll do something else." Another case that involved the Sierra Sounds people demonstrates BF, the trickster. During the night a bigfoot lifted their horse into a fenced area where is was wedged. The horse did not act alone was their conclusion. The bigfoots were saying through tricks, look how strong we are...........better leave soon. My opinion is bigfoots are more human like with a great deal of common sense, curosity, and stealth comprehension. They understand the use of tricks either for humor or a warning. They keep us guessing. Can you find a report showing this trickster behavior? At a trailer my company had rented that I was staying in, I had a BF punch the side of it right where my head was when I was in bed right on the other side of the wall. He then drug his fingernails slowly down the length of the trailer. This was NOT play or tricks, but intimidation or warning. I had pissed him off and he was letting me know it. He definitely had my full attention and I didn't do it again. But I have seen and heard reports of BF behavior that could be interpreted as play or tricks. There are many reports and I've personally experienced boogers throwing small pebbles at a house, tent, vehicle or barn where people were. In incidents where the people are new in the area, I don't know if I'd interpret it as play as much as I would that the boogers just wanted to check us out or see our reactions. However, where this has gone on repeatedly for weeks and months, it could be just a "hey, we're here" type of thing, but it could be play - especially when the humans come outside and hear the boogers running off, the people go back inside, and a little while later the boogers are back throwing pebbles at the house. Sorta like kids ringing a doorbell and running, and doing it several times to the same house. I know a researcher that has a metal barn behind his house and boogers in the area. He and friends like to open the barn door and sit out there in front of the barn, or just inside if the dew is heavy, and relax on pleasant evenings. Almost every time he does this, after about 30 to 45 minutes a booger will slap the side of the barn and loudly run off. Then, a few minutes later it will happen again. He says that they sometimes hear the boogers chattering or giggling when this is going on. If they move their chairs to where they can see where the barn is being slapped, it will get slapped on a different side that they can't see. He once put game cams in a few strategic places and the barn got bombarded by rocks hurled from quite a distance away. I'd say that those boogers are definitely tricksters. The story I related on the "Counting coup" thread about the boogers "streaking" the Cade's Cove campground in the Smokey Mountains and purposely making racket as they go is a prime example of what I'd call play, or mischief, or being tricksters. As far as other animals playing, I firmly believe that it is common, and that the intent IS play. My three German Shepherds absolutely LOVE to play chase and tag, either amongst themselves or with any human that wants to join in. They even have different variations on the game. Sometimes one dog will hide and when one of the others comes by, it will run out and tackle it or nip and run, then another one will go hide. They especially love to play this variation at our cousin's farm with their dog where there's a lot more places to hide. They have another version they play at the farm where there are a bunch of old corn cribs, silos, and out buildings. One or more dog will hide behind something, and the others will come looking for it, trying to catch it. They even take turns being "it". We have a rabbit that lives around our yard that loves to torment our dogs and has for several years (although it may not be the same rabbit). It will run out in the yard 40 to 50 feet from the dogs, usually when they're just laying around, and juke back and forth until they see it and start chasing. Then it hauls butt and hides under or in something. While they're frantically trying to find it, it'll run out again and we've seen it stop and wait on the dogs to spot it, before it takes off running again. This will go on for ten minutes or more. The rabbit almost always initiates this "play". I don't know what else to call it. (The rabbit might be playing, but the dogs aren't. If they catch it, he's gonna run outta butt in front of some big sets of teeth.) I've thought that it could be that the rabbit is trying to lead the dogs away from a nest of baby bunnies, but the dogs usually aren't doing anything when the rabbit starts this. One of my brother used to have a pet rabbit that lived indoors and was litter box trained and it would torment his cats in the same way. When I was in college, I worked in a zoo for a while. The monkeys and apes were infamous for playing tricks on the zookeepers, and each other. Some of them were downright NASTY. I hated to work the primate house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LarryP Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Which is no one > everyone right ? If it wasn't, I think we would have had discovery by now. It depends on your definition of "we", Bobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyO Posted January 14, 2014 SSR Team Share Posted January 14, 2014 It depends on your definition of "we", Bobby. Come on Larry, you're better than that and you know what I mean. If Sasquatches continued all over North America to trust human beings even in tiny pockets, one would have slipped up by now and discovery would have been made and the whole world would have seen it as someone would have shot one. That's the culture you have in North America, someone would have shot one. See this for a similar comparison of what happens when animal trusts people too much. http://motleydogs.com/2011/10/19/romeo-the-lone-black-wolf-of-juneau-alaska-dedication/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I don't think it's impossible that habituation is going on somewhere. Shoot, we've done it with every ape and many of the monkeys. But I have to count it more than a little odd that not a single habituator has (that we have heard of) gotten the cooperation of scientists to confirm the animal to the society at large. What's odd now, of course, may wind up being totally understandable once confirmation takes place. But any true skeptic has to note that the oddities - while not coming even close to what would have to be going on for all this evidence to be false positive - are problematical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darrell Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 ^Problems with habituations however, is there is zero collaboration of anything going on. We have to take the habituator's word for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indiefoot Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Or the word of Dr Leila Hadj-Chikh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the parkie Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Another example, my friend was camping out with his family in a remote area, and during the night a bigfoot came up and rubbed his face all over with both hands, then was heard crashing off through the brush. This behavior says, "ha.... ha.... I'm one step ahead of you........leave or I'll do something else." What?! Any more details please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the parkie Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Hi Coonbo Are you able to elaborate further on the BF punching your trailer incident at all please - what had you done to annoy it? What made you dismiss it being the work of a bear or other animal? How did the trailer owner or company react to the damage to their trailer?! I always enjoy reading your posts btw. Many thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) If a person is being honest about them, monkees might as well be Klingons as far as humans understanding their behaviors. I think it is a safe assumption that like any other mammal their prime motivators are food, water, cover or shelter, and reproduction but beyond that one guess is as good as the next. No question that there is a lot of anthropomorphizing regarding these things... Edited January 14, 2014 by NDT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darrell Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Or the word of Dr Leila Hadj-Chikh. This Leila Hadj-Chikh? "Leila Hadj-Chikh, PhD in Evolutionary Biology, was hired by Adrian Erickson and was a member of The Erickson Project living onsite for years where the Matilda footage was obtained in rural Kentucky." IMO, her associations erode her credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I don't think it's impossible that habituation is going on somewhere. Shoot, we've done it with every ape and many of the monkeys. But I have to count it more than a little odd that not a single habituator has (that we have heard of) gotten the cooperation of scientists to confirm the animal to the society at large. What's odd now, of course, may wind up being totally understandable once confirmation takes place. But any true skeptic has to note that the oddities - while not coming even close to what would have to be going on for all this evidence to be false positive - are problematical. LOL, Why do you assume that people who have a special 'thing' with some BF's want to TELL THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD???? DUUUHHHHHHHH!!! (Hint: Its the LAST thing any sane person would want to do.) What is this thing with 'humanity' that everyone has to know? So they can all go out in the woods and woodknock, and do BoBo calls all Summer? Etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyO Posted January 15, 2014 SSR Team Share Posted January 15, 2014 This Leila Hadj-Chikh? "Leila Hadj-Chikh, PhD in Evolutionary Biology, was hired by Adrian Erickson and was a member of The Erickson Project living onsite for years where the Matilda footage was obtained in rural Kentucky." IMO, her associations erode her credibility. Yeah, that whole episode, until or unless the truth does actually come out, completely diminishes certain people's reputation completely. People who had very decent reputations too. This girl, Dennis Pfhol too, like it or not they were deeply involved, and all we got was Matilda and then a wall of silence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indiefoot Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I just pointed out a qualified specialist who took the time to investigate a habituation scenario and came back with a positive report (her own testimony on what they have found). It doesn't matter what is put forth as evidence supporting the BF phenomenon, someone will dismiss it out of hand. I'll wait and see what they eventually are able to disclose and in the mean time accept her at her word that she is convinced there were BF at that location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Wag: so you're, um, saying that bigfoot habituators are all thinking that way? Not if you have been around a lot of people, you aren't. Hint: if people will run around telling their friends because they saw one, so it's real, and you just have to believe them!!!...well, yes, I find it EXTREMELY odd that NOT ONE bigfoot habituator - regarded by society at large, even many proponents, as the nuttiest of the nutty - has taken the opp to go: SEE!?!?!?!?!? Just to watch the looks on scientists' faces? ETREMELY, EXTREMELY odd. Not that there aren't good reasons to give society the big middle one and keep it to yourself. Just sayin'. NOT ONE? EXTREMELY odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgerm Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share Posted January 15, 2014 Seems like we have strayed from the topic in regards to bigfoot being a prankster. What?! Any more details please? I will try to contact Gerard about his story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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