WSA Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Of course you are right. And all of the righteous indignation on the planet will not alter that possible outcome one smidge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted July 20, 2014 Admin Share Posted July 20, 2014 Doc, How do you propose we "promote" gun safety to an organization we do not belong to? How do we even know? If I go hunting for Squatch this weekend, your telling me that it is your responsibility to make sure I practice safe gun handling skills? It's absurd....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuchi1 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 (edited) 1) Questions? What questions? Your stating your assumptions as fact. I.e. Area X is the Branson property for starters....... In the preface of the Echo Incident report it is stated the event took place on Mr. Branson's place. What part of that are you struggling with? 2) Do they state the Branson property is Area X? Or can you prove this to be true? Do you have a statement from Branson? A picture of Brian Brown on the property? See the above... 3) Pro kill proponents evidently repeat the first grade concerning humanity.....your words, own them. Not exactly what I would call "nice" people if it were true. Fortunately it's not. Regardless nobody voted you Sheriff, if you care to read Project Grendel's mission statement, guns are big boy's toys. If your not a responsible person and don't know your gun or game laws it's nobodies fault but your own. It's certainly not something that is going to be resolved on a internet forum....it's moot. Re-read my initial comments on this topic. 4) As I said......by the time you figure out your time, gas, gadgets, etc, you would be better off playing the lottery. I can only speak for myself, but I would not accept money, I would rather see that money go to the preservation of the species. I can only speak for myself in that a decision was made the pro-kill path was the wrong one to be on, just as you've made yours. 5) You also stated that you came to this conclusion based on talking to Rangers, LEO's, etc...... Can they point you to a location in which it's certain to come into contact with "UHS"? ??? 6) Enlighten me then....why should Science give this species a free pass? The pro kill mindset isn't the ignorant mindset, it's the pragmatic one. Unless of course you can convince me otherwise. I'm not trying to enlighten or convince you of anything. I've simply posited my thoughts and opinions on this topic, Doc, How do you propose we "promote" gun safety to an organization we do not belong to? IMO, Doc was merely pointing out their foibles. How do we even know? Their videos and published reports provide compelling evidence to such. The two (2) shootings (that we know about) aside, the video of the guy aiming his rifle up into the brush because they "think" something's there. Had a homo sapien walked out, do you know what (Oklahoma) laws would have immediately been broken? If I go hunting for Squatch this weekend, your telling me that it is your responsibility to make sure I practice safe gun handling skills? It's absurd....... IMO, the only thing that's absurd is the behavior of some of the actors in this group and the responses/rationalizations from some of it's supporters. Edited July 20, 2014 by chelefoot To bring into compliance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David NC Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Yuchi do you and the others on your "lease" screen the hunters you have there? like taking them out with an unloaded gun or an all inclusive and extensive gun training program that all your hunters have to go thru and pass before you allow them to hunt there? I don't think so, it is more like you been hunting for 15-20 years you will be alright. You do not know what any of these hunters will do if faced with an unusual situation. The video you provided the link to I watched and I seen at least one person wearing dog tags, I suspect that there are more in the group that are military trained, you want us to believe they are not trained better than the average hunter and they would go out with these other people without feeling they are safe from getting shot by their own people. I do have to thank you for laying to rest the " Hillbilly Hoaxing" theory. With all the "concern" you have shown for the neighboring properties and even for the safety of the individuals in NAWAC and their "in your eyes" eagerness to shoot at anything that moves, has removed any doubt I had about them being hoaxed by their neighbors. The other hoaxing theory you proposed of the drug cartels does not hold any weight either. Try shooting at one of them and tell us if they run off and come back after dark and break limbs and trees and throw rocks at the cabin, I suspect you would not be able to because they would shoot back and bury body under a log never to be found, That hoax debunked in my opinion. In my opinion you are just throwing as much crap at the wall that is NAWAC and just trying to get as much of it to stick as you can. I am not pro-kill but these are grown men and women that have made a choice to do this the way they see fit and even I do not believe any of them would step over the body of a naturally deceased body of a Sasquatch and keep looking to kill one, they would throw that body in the truck and call it done and be very glad they did not have to face one alive. My best advise which I aim at myself as well is to get out there and find a naturally deceased specimen and save one from having to have it's life cut short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuchi1 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Norseman, Let us agree to disagree as I have no personal animosity for you and actually believe you're of good heart, a bit misguided but nonetheless, good people and I wish only the best for you and yours. To that end, I would offer a few thoughts and some history (based upon my personal experiences) regarding this hunting/killing effort of a UHS/Sasquatch: My less than flattering comments regarding opinions on NAWAC's operations are predicated upon their own (written & audio/video) publications. While not pretty, it is factually based, after all, they said it, no one else made it up from out of whole cloth and as a fellow once said, "it is what it is". During my pro-killer days there were some people associated in our group that "talked the talk" with using the lingo, equipment, and posturing of someone that wanted everyone to think they were the Chuck Norris of UHS/Sasquatch hunters. One dude in particular carried this to the next level as in talking with him, you'd have thought Jim Corbett was one of his pupils. During three (3) seperate events, he abandoned his post just as things got rather intense, leaving the rest of us in the lurch, had things "got western" at those times. I'm talking about running out of the forest and back to his truck (2X) and even asking a fellow pro-killer to escort him back to his truck in another instance. IMO, the guy was a total fraud and it was fortunate he didn't shoot someone out of irrational fear for things that are in the forest. When/if you have a close encounter of the UHS/Sasquatch kind, I wager it will elicit a flood of emotions, the likes of which you have never before experienced. If, it is a hostile situation, you will have the intense understanding of your own mortality as it is the ultimate rush when faced with something that has the capacity to kill you in a NYS and is far more intelligent than you had ever imagined. If, it is a passive situation, you will experience a feeling of understanding (about a whole lot of things) that will be of a magnitude never imagined and come away with the ability and cognizance of what it truly entails to go through life, walking in a quiet grace. Been there, done that, with both, option B is the best choice. Kasi Mek-e-oo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuchi1 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Yuchi do you and the others on your "lease" screen the hunters you have there? like taking them out with an unloaded gun or an all inclusive and extensive gun training program that all your hunters have to go thru and pass before you allow them to hunt there? I don't think so, it is more like you been hunting for 15-20 years you will be alright. You do not know what any of these hunters will do if faced with an unusual situation. The video you provided the link to I watched and I seen at least one person wearing dog tags, I suspect that there are more in the group that are military trained, you want us to believe they are not trained better than the average hunter and they would go out with these other people without feeling they are safe from getting shot by their own people. I do have to thank you for laying to rest the " Hillbilly Hoaxing" theory. With all the "concern" you have shown for the neighboring properties and even for the safety of the individuals in NAWAC and their "in your eyes" eagerness to shoot at anything that moves, has removed any doubt I had about them being hoaxed by their neighbors. The other hoaxing theory you proposed of the drug cartels does not hold any weight either. Try shooting at one of them and tell us if they run off and come back after dark and break limbs and trees and throw rocks at the cabin, I suspect you would not be able to because they would shoot back and bury body under a log never to be found, That hoax debunked in my opinion. In my opinion you are just throwing as much crap at the wall that is NAWAC and just trying to get as much of it to stick as you can. I am not pro-kill but these are grown men and women that have made a choice to do this the way they see fit and even I do not believe any of them would step over the body of a naturally deceased body of a Sasquatch and keep looking to kill one, they would throw that body in the truck and call it done and be very glad they did not have to face one alive. My best advise which I aim at myself as well is to get out there and find a naturally deceased specimen and save one from having to have it's life cut short. David, Six of the eight guys on the lease are (active/retired) LEO at either federal or state levels. The others are CWL certified and all are experienced woodsmen/woodswomen. Youngsters in the families are being introduced and taught the ways of the wild and to respect the land and all it's fauna as they are the next generation of the sport. As more and more of the layers (information via publication/video) on NAWAC's operations come to light, I believe that you too would have a level of concern to know your neighbors are (IMO) predisposed to sling lead around the place at targets they have not truly confirmed the ID thereof. I suspect it's now no secret to NAWAC's operators that should they pass north of the E-W fence, up-top, and are caught, full remedy at law will be applied. Otherwise, what they do is of small importance, the aforementioned safety considerations aside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheri Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Exactly what do you mean by " you will experience a feeling of understanding" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuchi1 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Exactly what do you mean by " you will experience a feeling of understanding" ? About life, who...we are, why...we're here, why...they're here, for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheri Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 (edited) That does not explain the term "experience a feeling of understanding". How ? Edited July 20, 2014 by sheri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuchi1 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 That all the stuff taught in school and elsewhere may not be exactly spot on and this world/life is far more complex than originally thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheri Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Yuchi, I guess i am not asking the right question. I wanted to know how you experience a feeling of understanding. Not what , but how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuchi1 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 When you look upon the subject and observe how it responds, there's an awesomeness/respectfullness that permeates the very marrow of your bones. It's akin (but also somewhat different) from the feeling when you walk in a military cemetary and understand why all those lying there, did what they did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheri Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I understand very well how I felt. I was frightened. I am assuming you have encountered them. If so, what happened ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuchi1 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 I was trying to describe my own experiences and as such, they are unique to me as others (such as yourself) had a different experience. The place in Rogers county is special in that I don't even have to visually see them (anymore) as there's a feeling that occurs wherein the awareness of their proximity is unmistakable. Others, there, have had negative experiences and I can only ascribe those outcomes as having a catalyst in preconceptions. Case in point, I/we could have been terminated from this existence on any of a number of times, especially when we were actively trying to kill one (there), and have since realized forebearance (on their part) was in play. That is a primary reason why I feel there is a situation of mutual respect and coexistence coupled with the knowledge a certain widow is being regularly visited and possibly being shielded (to a certain extent) from those with ill intent. However, your mileage may vary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheri Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 What do you mean by feeling that they're there . How so ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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