Guest Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Okay Besides the pages ripped out of the National Enquirer, how so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 After reading David Paulides 411 book, it's got me thinking more and more about the possibilities of 'maverick' bigfoot doing more than just watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 June 1978 Toccoa, Georgia A twelve year old girl was visiting friends, thirteen year old twins who lived ten miles northwest of Toccoa. The mountainous area was remote and densely wooded, populated only by six related families. As the three children walked into the woods at midday, the spotted a “bulky, lumbering figure coming toward us†about thirty feet away. The seven foot tall being, described as “a cross between a man and a bear,†had a hairy face and “a strong, musty animal smell.†The children ran for the nearest house and the creature pursued. At one point it was only fifteen feet behind, but stopped at the edge of a clearing. It made no sound. Source: Weird Georgia, Jim Miles p.50 and as a parent, that would be a situation which would definitely require a suitable application of firepower , if at all possible. Residence, Shooting June 26, 1978 Crosett, Arkansas Mike Lofton was outside feeding his puppy, when it suddenly began to tremble. Lofton then looked up and saw a huge hairy “thing†coming out of the woods and walking towards him. The 10-year old ran into the house and retrieved his father’s 22-caliber rifle. He then fired on the creature and it fled into the woods, apparently unhurt. Source: Ron Schaffner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogluddite Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 ..... I am sorry I do not understand, are you referring to the list that I posted? ...... Yes. I'm just a bit confused about how we can evaluate some of the topics you're broaching when all of the information we have is a list - the short summaries you post are useful because you identify the source and others can review that source at their convenience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 (edited) As with your other question, neither. You forgot the correct, answer: curiosity. Malevolent vs beneficial are part of the wrong yardstick entirely. MIB MIB, the next thread you create, be sure you use that measuring stick won't you .... Here is another example of people doing nothing but living own their own land and being visited upon these things. They didn't go out into the wild looking for them the thing came looking for them, (out of curiosity of course,) and ripped the window frame right out of the house. In all the reports that I read, a couple thousand at least, most of them are generated by motorist and even more of them are made by people in their homes or on their property minded their own business. Residence, LEO, Window Peeping Bigfoot Window Peeping October 10, 1975 Lumni Indian Reserve, Washington More than 100 reports of Sasquatch - like being have swept this reservation seven miles west of Bellingham, and witnesses include all three members of the local police force. Sgt. Cooper said he seen or heard the Sasquatch, which he described as an ape-like being standing seven and half feet high, three times since October 10. Most of the sightings have been confined to an area of four square miles on the reserve, he said. The Sasquatch has been blamed for the deaths of three dogs and a neck wound on a horse that required 16 stitches, he said. “There are no people on the road at night now.†He said. Most people did not believe the first reports, he said, when they saw the Sasquatch’s footprints or heard it, they changes their minds. Sgt. Cooper said so many people were chasing the Sasquatch with guns that the Lumni tribal council voted to outlaw shooting the creature. “We get reports every other day,†he said, “In fact, I just received one minutes ago.†The first time he saw the Sasquatch on October 10th it ran off into the bushes, Sgt. Cooper said. But on October 24th at 2:20 a.m. he was able to observe the Sasquatch “for a long time†from a range of 35 feet. After answering a complaint about the Sasquatch, he came around the back of the house where a window had been ripped out. “There was a being there about 7 and a half feet tall. “It was nothing like I’ve ever seen before, he said. He said the being was covered with black hair and was very muscular.†Chris Gainor, The Vancouver Sun, November 12, 1975 Yes. I'm just a bit confused about how we can evaluate some of the topics you're broaching when all of the information we have is a list - the short summaries you post are useful because you identify the source and others can review that source at their convenience. I am ignoring your snarky sarcasm in post #12. If you have a bone to pick with me keep it off the forum and take it to PM. Otherwise I will not respond to your insulting nonsense any longer. Don’t take kindness for weakness my friend. Edited December 20, 2014 by Gumshoeye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogluddite Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 ^^ It's not meant to be snarky or sarcastic - it's meant to point out that the limited information provided by lists of headlines of unknown provenance is of questionable utility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JiggyPotamus Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 (edited) I think that it all depends on their intelligence. For instance, if they are highly-intelligent animals, similar to humans, then they are not as likely to be watching children out of some basic instinct of awe. I mean think about it: you have some animal that is not acting strictly on instinct, but who possesses some slight intelligence. They hear some children playing and they have enough wit to want to see what is going on, and then they stand there watching but not fully grasping the scenario. Whereas an intelligent creature could be watching children while simultaneously analyzing various things. The more intelligent animal could be plotting, while the less intelligent animal could simply be enjoying the situation. The same thing with a human who has some mental handicap, and who has a mental level of a small child. It is easy to picture such a person watching children play with that sense of wonderment, without any nefarious intent. Perhaps this is a good comparison with sasquatch. Or if they are much more intelligent, they could still be watching children for some type of enjoyment, but at the very least they possess the capacity to lay plans that less intelligent animals, or purely instinctual animals, do not. Edited December 21, 2014 by JiggyPotamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norseman Posted December 21, 2014 Admin Share Posted December 21, 2014 There could be a variety of reasons........such as. 1) Predation 2) Surrogate child 3) Curiousity 4) Territory 5) Protection of family Primates eat other primates.............its a fact. And the young of one is vulnerable to the other. Females of many species are also known to "adopt" a baby of another species. Including for example a Lioness and a Gazelle. Curiosity is a fairly common Primate trait. Patrolling a Territory is known among great apes, and if a human family wanders in to it, it could invoke a response such as a recon and possible abduction. And lastly which dovetails into territory a bit is a scenario where a human family got to close to a Squatch family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DWA Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 (edited) Curiosity. That's all. Could something happen? Oh, chimps kill kids in Africa. (And work up the courage by getting smashed beforehand.) Sure it could. http://www.primates.com/chimps/drunk-n-disorderly.html Edited December 21, 2014 by DWA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Is it understandably just for human to react defensively out of fear? Going to the zoo with children and observing large predators behind the protection of thick glass barriers is enough to raise the hair on the nape of my neck, and I may draw them just a little bit closer out of parental instinct but that is a zoo. Now, you’re in your home or out on your property going about your business – you know, it is your yard, your property …. Your castle. Once again, if you have children or grandchildren, nephews or nieces and even if you don’t children (you were somebody’s child once) would you react or expect people to react any differently if it were a stranger or a wild beast watching children? Looking at this strictly from a law enforcement point of view I see no difference. A threat is a threat, is a threat, is a threat etc. As an individual my personal needs are met when I react either by doing nothing at all or removing the threat that is my choice, which is your decision. I can remove myself from a situation of which causes deep concern or I can fret and wring my hands and wish for hope and change …. Either way there will always be action and reaction. So, do we have a dual set of beliefs and ideas over what we will tolerate from animal and human predators? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCBFr Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 ^^ It's not meant to be snarky or sarcastic - it's meant to point out that the limited information provided by lists of headlines of unknown provenance is of questionable utility. The purpose of the thread was not meant to prove that BFs stalk kids from time to time but to discuss reasons why they may do so. As such the list was simply a snapshot of a few encounters to stimulate discussion. I am guessing the great majority of people in this forum are well aware of many such encounters and posting details would just be redundant and provoke the usually tedious and predictable battle between deniers and knowers. With that said, here is one more to add to the list: 12 year old girl takes puppy out front door for nightly bathroom around 10 PM, dogs goes crazy barking at something about 25 yards away, girls turns on cellphone light app only to see 7 1/2 BF standing under some small trees with a perfect site line to her and her sister's bedrooms. Mom asleep and dad away on business trip. Was he a peeping tom BF or hunting deer which are frequently in the area? I concluded the ladder but you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 BF like looking at little kids, and from what I've heard, interacting with them sometimes. Smiling, Waving, even touching....eeyyaaa.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 The purpose of the thread was not meant to prove that BFs stalk kids from time to time but to discuss reasons why they may do so. As such the list was simply a snapshot of a few encounters to stimulate discussion. I am guessing the great majority of people in this forum are well aware of many such encounters and posting details would just be redundant and provoke the usually tedious and predictable battle between deniers and knowers. With that said, here is one more to add to the list: 12 year old girl takes puppy out front door for nightly bathroom around 10 PM, dogs goes crazy barking at something about 25 yards away, girls turns on cellphone light app only to see 7 1/2 BF standing under some small trees with a perfect site line to her and her sister's bedrooms. Mom asleep and dad away on business trip. Was he a peeping tom BF or hunting deer which are frequently in the area? I concluded the ladder but you never know. Exactly to the point …. Thank you NCBRR … I see a lot of reports of these things on door steps, trying the door knob, gazing in windows; on roofs of houses peering inside watching children in the yards or following children on hikes, even attempting to get close to them as they wait for a bus. My feeling is you can’t be tempted by something you cannot see and given the right circumstances and opportunity they will grab a child period. Therefore, I would not trust them any less than a stranger. BF like looking at little kids, and from what I've heard, interacting with them sometimes. Smiling, Waving, even touching....eeyyaaa.... That’s what I understand too, after reading those Missing 411 books. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 (edited) There could be a variety of reasons........such as. 1) Predation 2) Surrogate child 3) Curiousity 4) Territory 5) Protection of family Primates eat other primates.............its a fact. And the young of one is vulnerable to the other. Females of many species are also known to "adopt" a baby of another species. Including for example a Lioness and a Gazelle. Curiosity is a fairly common Primate trait. Patrolling a Territory is known among great apes, and if a human family wanders in to it, it could invoke a response such as a recon and possible abduction. And lastly which dovetails into territory a bit is a scenario where a human family got to close to a Squatch family. Simply just for the sake of discussion, how do we (as used in a general sense not me or you personally) justify a reason of “Protection of Family†when the creatures are up on the doorsteps of some residences reporting these encounters? I am looking down your list of possibilities and #4 listed as territory and I wonder whose territory is it? Does a man, woman or owner of his property have provenance over their domain? Should we (as used in a general sense not me or you personally) forced to tolerate the intrusion or abandoned the property? If I am reading the reports correctly most of the residential out distance all others in location when measured separately in the 3,000 or so that I personally read. I found that many people are minding their business on their own property or in their homes when their encounter occurs so, the difficulty I have is deciding whose territory or families are being protected by marauding bigfoots. These folks are scared half out of their wits by large bipedal animals with unpredictable temperament or children terrorized into nightmares by the sight. Edited December 21, 2014 by Gumshoeye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyzonthropus Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 I choose to view the report lists more as a framework, guiding or directing the focus of the inquiry and discussion of the given thread, rather than as documented reference, as that would then be, well.......documented with source references. I do grasp the frustrative element of not being able to go back to the original report as a secondary reader, but that need not diminish the pursuit of furthered shared discussion and understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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